YTSEJAM Digest 7011 Today's Topics: 1) issues by "Trevor Hoit" 2) Re: Petrucci and the DVD by Ian Perge 3) Re: Petrucci and the DVD by Olli Heikkinen 4) RE: issues by "Rob P" 5) Re: issues by Mike Shetzer 6) RE: Morse, Chroma Key, Sherinian by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 7) Re: What? DT?? by Alexandra 8) Re: Kerry by "I-Rod" 9) Vietnam by "Zachary Gemmill" 10) RE: Kerry by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 11) Re: What? DT?? by Mike Shetzer 12) Re: Kerry by "Sarah Hallum" 13) Re: What? DT?? by Rick Audet 14) Re: What? DT?? by George Papadopetros 15) Re: Kerry by "Dave Schott" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:38:08 -0800 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: issues Message-ID: <001a01c4c241$3ad1b060$message_id_removed> All I will say about the election is that the economy and the war should be way more important than banning gay marriage and abortions. Trevor On a side note, I will never order from deepdiscountcd ever again. ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:37:16 -0500 From: Ian Perge To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Petrucci and the DVD Message-ID: On Thursday, November 4th Rick Audet said >I love the new DT DVD, too. I've never seen Petrucci play so well. Is "play so well" what the kids are calling "massive overplaying with little sense of melody, dynamics, or *feel*" these days? ..hold on, I just got an IM from Yngwie that says "Yes". I'm glad that's cleared up. ;-) Aside from the 5.1 "glitch", however, I'm enjoying the DVD... well, as best I can. The audio (not counting the "glitch"... screw it, call a fuck-up a fuck-up) and video quality are far above anything previously released, it's the first "official release" that features JM's Met. 1 tapping solo complete without cutaway *and* audible, and probably the best rendition of "New Millennium" I've heard yet. I think the setlist could have been a bit more varied (I mean, nothing from "Awake" minus "Erotomania" in the Instrumedley?!?) and I still prefer both Derek and Kevin's note and sound choices, as well as their style and impact within DT during their tenures. That's why I say, "I like it as best I can". For better or worse (mainly depending on your preference of keyboardist and LTE-ization of the band post FII) it's the best we can expect from Dream Theater, circa 2004. ..which is why I'm very much looking forward to both Chroma Key's "Graveyard Mountain Home" and Derek's "Mythology", hitting the stores next Tuesday. ;-) Electioned-out, ~Ian ------------------ Ian M. Perge "I think the biggest challenge is not to write the wrong music" b "Snuffy" Walden ianperge.com - It's like, updated. Somewhat. www.livejournal.com/users/scarred2112 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:07:33 +0200 (EET) From: Olli Heikkinen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Petrucci and the DVD Message-ID: > that's cleared up. ;-) Aside from the 5.1 "glitch", however, I'm > enjoying the DVD... well, as best I can. The audio (not counting the > "glitch"... screw it, call a fuck-up a fuck-up) and video quality are What's with the 5.1? I haven't heard the DVD yet. > far above anything previously released, it's the first "official > release" that features JM's Met. 1 tapping solo complete without > cutaway *and* audible, and probably the best rendition of "New > Millennium" I've heard yet. It's amazing how they can turn such a mediocre album song into a great live piece. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:31:46 -0500 From: "Rob P" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: issues Message-ID: People aren't concerned about a shitty economy or a war that smacks of Vietnam. The easiest way for Bush to get re-elect was to tout the redneck agenda (thanks Green Day for the term) which is against gay marriage and a women's right to choose. I wondered what this whole redneck agenda thing was...until I saw where all the RED states were and then it made sense. Rob Happily Blue and bracing for more of the same lies from Dubya :) PS: No more politiking from me, I promise. >From: "Trevor Hoit" >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: issues >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:24:35 -0800 (PST) > >All I will say about the election is that the economy and the war should >be way more important >than banning gay marriage and abortions. >Trevor >On a side note, I will never order from deepdiscountcd ever again. >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:27:47 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: issues Message-ID: <004701c4c269$b19d7ee0$9b00a8c0@mizz> What's wrong with said CD salespeople? I had an issue with being overcharged for shipping through CD Universe by like 300%, so I'm not fond of them much anymore, but I don't think I've had a problem with DDcd before. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Hoit" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: issues > > > All I will say about the election is that the economy and the war should > be way more important > than banning gay marriage and abortions. > Trevor > On a side note, I will never order from deepdiscountcd ever again. > ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:18:26 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Morse, Chroma Key, Sherinian Message-ID: Bush likes Morse, Chroma Key, and Sherinian. Kerry, on the other hand, is out of touch. :) -----Original Message----- From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:email_address_removed What does this have to do with Bush and Kerry? > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Gary Davis > > > Hi, folks: > > The latest Artist Shop Newsletter is out and includes info on the latest from Neal Morse, Kevin Moore's Chroma Key and Derek Sherinian. And lots of other prog as well ;-) > Gary > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 05:28:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alexandra To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: What? DT?? Message-ID: >I still enjoy listening to Dream Theater. Who's with >me? Ooh, ooh! Pick me! Been listening to FII in the car lately (long commute lends itself to music listening), and as often happens to me with this album, every time I hear it, the fact that I like it so much catches me by surprise. I wouldn't list it in my top DT when I'm not listening to it, though. Strange. Alex ==== "Living in NJ is a necessary, but not sufficient, cause of becoming violently ill" -survey methods student www.Scenes.de __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:32:43 -0500 From: "I-Rod" To: Subject: Re: Kerry Message-ID: <004b01c4c2ad$73b1cf20$a8b90642@ivansmtyz9ixwb> > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:12:13 -0600 (CST) > From: Brian D Hayden > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Kerry > Message-ID: > > > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm > > Wooo! They sat near each other in a crowd of tens of thousands at a rally > once! > snip.... You Sir are apparently among the too few voices of reason left among us (48%). I know we are into forbidden topic, but I must vent, and if Skadz wants to boot me, so be it. Sorry. Regardless of those unfortunate ignorant people's reactions (spitters, etc.), Kerry was as right about Vietnam as he is right about Iraq -by as much as Bush and his ilk are wrong. History bore that out about Vietnam and will again in Iraq. Communism failed in the Soviet Union and we never went to war with it. We never defeated communism in N Korea or Vietnam and since Iraq is overwhelmingly Muslim (not secular), there is no reason to believe that an established democracy will support our ideals and won't choose to elect theocratic Islamic leaders. Unfortunately, the US will not stand for that, and as we still have troops in Korea after 40 yrs, there is no reason to believe that it will be different with Iraq. But that isn't even the sad part of the consequences of this election! The sad thing is that they lie. They lie repeatedly, and they lie to cover up the lies. When they are caught, they don't even have the decency to say that they were wrong and will work to make it right. These lies are repeated by the right-wing media (Fox News) and shills like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh! They are drummed into ignorant people's heads until they believe it (just like hit songs are made by radio). What's worse, is the supposedly liberal-biased media, is too lazy to even bother to do there own unbiased analysis and simply ends up repeating the gross distortion of reality as if it was news so that they don't get left out of the story! Just look at they did to Gore and Clinton before him! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr What is sooooo sad about the situation is that they (the Republican political machine) use good people's beliefs against them in such away that people abandon what is in their own interests and their own judgment in favor of rhetoric that supports their ideals. Like this: " I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, but I refuse to vote for some who is in favor of cutting partially born babies brains out." I don't want that either, and we should fight against it. So, to go against a candidate that supports a woman's right to choose (whole other debate) we have elected someone who is nothing more than a corporate shill! American policies and laws are completely in the hands of corporate interests who's only concern is making money. So what if Social Security is wiped out and all the payroll tax you've paid into it is taken from you. So what if half the country won't be able to afford health care. So what if mandated education programs are not funded. So what if industry destroys our water supply and the air we breath. It's all OK because 0.5% of the population has gotten rich. Oh, but don't worry they are going to spend that money and put it back into the economy, right (supply side vooodooonomics)? NO! They are not. That's why they did away with the Estate Tax so that they can pass the money, stolen out of working people's pockets, on to their children to perpetuate this new American aristocracy! While they talk about freedom and liberty, they want laws that allow the government to circumvent your rights (Patriot Act). If you disagree, you are un-American, or worse a traitor. I don't even want to think about appointments of court justices. While they make it harder and harder for you and your children to get an education, never mind totally ignoring schools in inner cities and impoverished areas, they want vouchers to pay less for their private schools! What a neat and tidy way to destroy public education and keep people ignorant and without the intellect necessary to see through their smoke screens. The under educated are told to go to church, be thankful for what you have, and the meek shall inherit the earth. Meanwhile they live like kings! This is so similar to how the catholic church throughout history took money from the poor, ignorant masses to build their power base of gilded churches while promising salvation! The lost souls, the ones who refuse to remain poor or are so desperate or despondent about their miserable lives, turn to crime or drugs then crime! Look at statistics for violent crime under Reagan/Bush H.W./Bush W. vs Clinton.Violent crime went down during Clinton era up during republicans reign. And all that while Clinton was being vilified by every aspect of the media and lynched politically by the mob that is the republican controlled House! Who, by the way, was led by House Speakers Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston, both of whom turned out to be total hypocrites as they cheated on their wives and got caught while trying to get Clinton impeached. Not to mention Trent Lott, who turned out in the end to be a racist pig! Another hypocrite, that conservative America votes into office base on "moral values!" I think I'm going to be sick now! WAKE UP PEOPLE! While you thump your bible, they pander to your beliefs and all the while the chasm of economic disparity between the haves-and-have-nots grows. I guess that's OK though, since it is the American Dream to one day be among the elite, even at the expense of increasing poverty and destroying the very environment we inhabit! End of rant. Signed, Totally discouraged by the state of American politics and the people who buy into the right-wing conservative bullshit P.S. Let's hope DT's next offering includes actual songs :-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:07:25 -0800 From: "Zachary Gemmill" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Vietnam Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0074091788256F42_ charset=us-ascii I used to believe the standard mythology regarding Vietnam. However, when I actually started working with Vietnamese expatriates in the tech industry ten years ago, I started hearing the _real_ stories from people who were being looked down the barrel at people like Oliver Stone, and John Kerry (who admittedly committed war atrocities against the people he was sent to protect--- and he was "sent" because he also applied for a deferment, but was rejected). The existance of 2 million Vietnamese who chose to brave shark and pirate-infested waters (250,000 of them dying in the attempt) to escape to the supposedly "imperialist" enemy of the United States should immediately make one pause and ask "why?" Why did they come _here_ if we were the bad guys? People like Jane Fonda, and John Kerry should go into the Vietnamese communities and explain their actions. There are millions of stories out there, from people who were actually there on the receiving end of part of the worst civilian slaughter in the history of the world (at least 120,000,000 civilians murdered by Communist governments, or Communist invaders), not committing war atrocities like John Kerry, or like Jane Fonda hanging out with mass-murderers . The media and a lot of people think they are so smart when they ridicule those "crazy" Cuban expats down in Florida and congratulate themselves on being "enlightened" regarding the human condition. But they refuse to sit down with eyewitnesses to the an ideology responsible for the worst mass-slaughter in history and maybe consider that they think the way they do because they have been taught to think that way, ignoring the stories of people who were actually _there_ as "anecdotal" and ignorant of the "big picture." I even have one guy who escaped in 1982 saying that he and a lot of people (who were forced at gunpoint into the streets for anti-American protests--- so again, this gives question to what one sees in the media) actually wished the Americans would come back and drop bombs on them because the Communists were so bad. The Communists were not liberators. They would force children and pregnant women to become suicide bombers, threatening to kill their whole families if they didn't. At least bin Ladenand his ilk recruit such people. An ideology with no god means that those who spread the ideology become the gods, demanding for themselves utter fealty in thought, word, deed, and life. This is what John Kerry and his friends chose to support, at the expense of millions of innocents. Are these expatriates stupid? Deluded? Don't know what they are talking about. I don't think so. I think people don't want to except the truth that twenty five years ago, we sold out the Vietnamese people and condemend millions to totalitarian death and imprisonment. It would be as if we were telling Jews who escaped the Holocaust that they were "wrong" and that the Nazis were only trying to make Germany a better nation. How sick and twisted can people be? Apparently, John Kerry still thinks he is a "war" hero for committing war atrocities against the Vietnamese people, betraying the Vietnamese people he was sent to protect, and betraying his fellow service members (most of whom were doing their best to hold back the genocidal tide of Communist invaders). He hinted at it in his concession speech yesterday, calling his fellow brothers in arms good for "doing the right thing back then". Kerry was no war hero (if he was, then he must have been if not proud, then ashamed of his self-admitted war atrocities, no?) any more than Lyndie England is a war hero for torturing prisoners at Abu-Graib (she volunteered to go into the Army, too, and took part in a war, so she _must_ be a war hero too, under the same standards John Kerry applied to himself ). Kerry was certainly a hero to the war protesters for sure, and a hero to the perpetrators of genocide, and perhaps a hero to himself, but he was definitely not a hero to the Vietnamese people, and not a hero in the minds of the vast majority of veterans of the Vietnam war, nor to the majority of soldiers in Iraq right now. So one is Left to ask why he was a "war" hero to millions of people in the United States who still think the Vietnam War was a mistake. Until people can answer that question, they will continue to be unable to come up with an explanation of why they just lost the election. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.TAB1.GIF Zach The views expressed herein do not reflect those of the company. --=_alternative 0074091788256F42_ ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:43:41 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Kerry Message-ID: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm Fantastic picture of each state, county by county, that shows which way AMERICA voted. Gee, I wonder why so few Blue counties.......... :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:39:39 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: What? DT?? Message-ID: <003301c4c2c7$8d481b50$9b00a8c0@mizz> Strangely enough, I haven't heard any TOT in weeks, months even, but the "don't cross the crooked step!" and the section thereafter has been in my head for days now! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandra" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: What? DT?? > >I still enjoy listening to Dream Theater. Who's with > >me? > > > Ooh, ooh! Pick me! > Been listening to FII in the car lately (long commute > lends itself to music listening), and as often happens > to me with this album, every time I hear it, the fact > that I like it so much catches me by surprise. I > wouldn't list it in my top DT when I'm not listening > to it, though. Strange. > > Alex > > === > "Living in NJ is a necessary, but not sufficient, cause of becoming violently ill" > -survey methods student > > > www.Scenes.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:40:23 -0500 From: "Sarah Hallum" To: Subject: Re: Kerry Message-ID: <008b01c4c2c7$a7eb9090$6501a8c0@Lillian> Funny, it shows my county as red. We were ASSUREDLY a Kerry county. 65% *shrug* Sarah email_address_removed | email_address_removed http://www.everonn.net/sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: RE: Kerry > http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm > > Fantastic picture of each state, county by county, that shows which way > AMERICA voted. > > Gee, I wonder why so few Blue counties.......... :) > ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What? DT?? Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Alexandra wrote: > >I still enjoy listening to Dream Theater. Who's with > >me? > > > Ooh, ooh! Pick me! > Been listening to FII in the car lately (long commute > lends itself to music listening), and as often happens > to me with this album, every time I hear it, the fact > that I like it so much catches me by surprise. I > wouldn't list it in my top DT when I'm not listening > to it, though. Strange. I haven't listened to FII in a while, but I've always enjoyed that one ever since its release. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who likes that album (as well as all the others). Glad I'm not the only one. But for now I think I'll give ToT another spin! I'm itching for the next Freak Kitchen record, too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:13:03 +1100 From: George Papadopetros To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: What? DT?? Message-ID: At 10:54 AM 5/11/2004, you wrote: >Strangely enough, I haven't heard any TOT in weeks, months even, but the >"don't cross the crooked step!" and the section thereafter has been in my >head for days now! Funny about that. We were looking after our 17 month old niece the other week. She kept wanting to go tumbling down the steps, and that line kept going through my head every time she went near the makeshift barrier we eventually put in place. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:12:16 -0500 From: "Dave Schott" To: Subject: Re: Kerry Message-ID: <009001c4c2dc$df5352b0$0200a8c0@one> Amazing how if you take that and switch it up just a little bit with different names and the like it sounds just like right wing conservative bullshit. Anyway the big difference here is morality. The left and the right are identical except for their morals... Strange world eh? -Dave Schott (ebmusicman84) email_address_removed http://www.rebellion9.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "I-Rod" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Kerry > > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:12:13 -0600 (CST) > > From: Brian D Hayden > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Kerry > > Message-ID: > > > > > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040211-123002-8027r.htm > > > > Wooo! They sat near each other in a crowd of tens of thousands at a rally > > once! > > > snip.... > > You Sir are apparently among the too few voices of reason left among us > (48%). > > I know we are into forbidden topic, but I must vent, and if Skadz wants to > boot > me, so be it. Sorry. > > Regardless of those unfortunate ignorant people's reactions (spitters, > etc.), Kerry was as right about Vietnam as he is right about Iraq -by as > much as Bush and his ilk are wrong. History bore that out about Vietnam and > will again in Iraq. Communism failed in the Soviet Union and we never went > to war with it. We never defeated communism in N Korea or Vietnam and since > Iraq is overwhelmingly Muslim (not secular), there is no reason to believe > that an established democracy will support our ideals and won't choose to > elect theocratic Islamic leaders. Unfortunately, the US will not stand for > that, and as we still have troops in Korea after 40 yrs, there is no reason > to believe that it will be different with Iraq. But that isn't even the sad > part of the consequences of this election! > > The sad thing is that they lie. They lie repeatedly, and they lie to cover > up the > lies. When they are caught, they don't even have the decency to say that > they were wrong and will work to make it right. These lies are repeated by > the right-wing media (Fox News) and shills like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, > and Rush Limbaugh! They are drummed into ignorant people's heads until they > believe it > (just like hit songs are made by radio). What's worse, is the supposedly > liberal-biased media, is too lazy to even bother to do there own unbiased > analysis and simply ends up repeating the gross distortion of reality as if > it was news so that they don't get left out of the story! Just look at they > did to Gore and Clinton before him! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > > What is sooooo sad about the situation is that they (the Republican > political machine) use good people's beliefs against them in such away that > people abandon what is in their own interests and their own judgment in > favor of rhetoric that supports their ideals. Like this: > > " I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, but I refuse to vote > for some who is in favor of cutting partially born babies brains out." > > I don't want that either, and we should fight against it. So, to go against > a candidate that supports a woman's right to choose (whole other debate) we > have elected someone who is nothing more than a corporate shill! American > policies and laws are completely in the hands of corporate interests who's > only concern is making money. So what if Social Security is wiped out and > all the payroll tax you've paid into it is taken from you. So what if half > the country won't be able to afford health care. So what if > mandated education programs are not funded. So what if industry destroys our > water supply and the air we breath. It's all OK because 0.5% of the > population > has gotten rich. Oh, but don't worry they are going to spend that money and > put it back into the economy, right (supply side vooodooonomics)? NO! They > are not. That's why they did away with the Estate Tax so that they can pass > the money, stolen out of working people's pockets, on to their children > to perpetuate this new American aristocracy! > > While they talk about freedom and liberty, they want laws that allow the > government to circumvent your rights (Patriot Act). If you disagree, you are > un-American, or worse a traitor. > > I don't even want to think about appointments of court justices. > > While they make it harder and harder for you and your children to get an > education, never mind totally ignoring schools in inner cities and > impoverished areas, they want vouchers to pay less for their private > schools! What a neat and tidy way to destroy public education and keep > people ignorant and > without the intellect necessary to see through their smoke screens. The > under > educated are told to go to church, be thankful for what you have, and the > meek shall inherit the earth. Meanwhile they live like kings! > > This is so similar to how the catholic church throughout history took > money from the poor, ignorant masses to build their power base of gilded > churches while promising salvation! > > The lost souls, the ones who refuse to remain poor or are so desperate or > despondent about their miserable lives, turn to crime or drugs then crime! > Look at statistics for violent crime under Reagan/Bush H.W./Bush W. vs > Clinton.Violent crime went down during Clinton era up during republicans > reign. And all that while Clinton was being vilified by every aspect of the > media and lynched politically by the mob that is the republican controlled > House! Who, by the way, was led by House Speakers Newt Gingrich and Bob > Livingston, both of whom turned out to be total hypocrites as they cheated > on their wives and got caught while trying to get Clinton impeached. Not to > mention Trent Lott, who turned out in the end to be a racist pig! Another > hypocrite, that conservative America votes into office base on "moral > values!" I think I'm going to be sick now! > > WAKE UP PEOPLE! While you thump your bible, they pander to your beliefs and > all the > while the chasm of economic disparity between the haves-and-have-nots grows. > I guess that's OK though, since it is the American Dream to one day be among > the elite, even at the expense of increasing poverty and destroying the very > environment we inhabit! > > End of rant. > > Signed, > Totally discouraged by the state of American politics and the people who buy > into the right-wing conservative bullshit > > P.S. Let's hope DT's next offering includes actual songs :-( > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 7011 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===