YTSEJAM Digest 6917 Today's Topics: 1) Kevin Moore's Ghost Book by "Robert B. Wells" 2) The pain of the odd beat by "David Dombrowsky" 3) Re: The pain of the odd beat by Mike Shetzer 4) RE: The pain of the odd beat by "Niall Connaughton" 5) Re: Infinity Minus One by "Kevin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:02:41 -0500 From: "Robert B. Wells" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Kevin Moore's Ghost Book Message-ID: In response to Alexis's request for a "Ghost Book" review, I'll step up to the plate and take a swing. First, my overall opinion is that this may be one for die-hard Kevin fans only. Since I am one, I'm enjoying it most thoroughly. I'm just afraid that not everyone will. If in doubt, give it a listen over at www.chromakey.com. Keep in mind that it's a movie score, not an album necessarily meant to stand on its own. If you own the Dust Bros. "Fight Club," the score from "Ghost in the Shell," or other such things, you'll probably also really dig this. Many of the tracks are short snips (less than two minutes) of texture. There is no doubt that this is, for the most part, meant to be background. There are, however, several tracks that really can be called songs, but they are all over the style map. Songs range from the "You Go Now"-ish closer, "Sad Sad Movie" to the very Dimitri from Paris "Erotik." All I can say about that one is I really want to know what's going on in the movie there. I unfortunately had my mother in the car on my first listen and was quite surprised by the cries of a woman in the midst of a very 'emotional' moment ("Ooooh, do it," pretty much sums up the lyrical content of that one). Though it hardly counts as a song at only 48 seconds, "Prayer Call" disturbed the heck out of me, with a scary transition from an echoey call to prayer to squealing, distorted static. Several of the short pieces are very enjoyable, especially driving at night well beyond the last of the city lights. Just try to avoid thoughts of scary things out past your headlights. My conclusion, the cost of entry gets you, depending on how you slice it, three to five actual, full fledged songs from Mr. Moore. The rest of the 18 tracks are great little aural vignettes. Creepy, creepy vignettes. Whether you will find this to be an album that stays in heavy rotation (as my copy has) or is just scattered thoughts not meant to exist apart from the visuals they originally accompanied is a matter of your own personal taste. If other movie scores, "You Go Now" and Terry Bozzio's solo work aren't anywhere near too far out for you, go buy "Ghost Book." -- Robert B. Wells email_address_removed that which does not kill us only serves to make us stranger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:39:50 +0200 From: "David Dombrowsky" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The pain of the odd beat Message-ID: Well, my girlfriend and I broke up yesterday. The last straw was when she walked in and rudely shut off my CD player while I was listening to Spock's Beard. Her comment was, "I can't stand another minute of this f'ing crap music." Time to find another girlfriend. The thing is, I hear this all the time from prog-rock fans: "If I could only find a girl who liked this music, I could be happy." This got me thinking... what is it about this music that not only do people not like it, but there is a large number of people who will activly HATE it. And why do the people who like this music see it as such a yardstick for judging a person's personality? This has happened with at least three of my girlfriends, some of my friends, and countless people who I barely know. If I should put on a Dream Theater song that's easy, in 4/4 or 8/4, they might not like it, but they can take it. But as SOON as I put on something in an odd time like 5/4 or 7/4, its like they become possessed by a demon and must rid their ears of this evil sounding music. To me, if I hear a song with time changes, unpredictable rhythms, and an odd beat, THAT is exactly what makes me like the song. To others, those same traits seem to actually make them nervous, angry, even violent. Am I on crack? Am I the only one to notice this? -Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:05:36 -0400 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The pain of the odd beat Message-ID: <003c01c46808$8a7be920$9b00a8c0@mizz> --Boundary_(ID_+oaz6HbogIgVyp+ogFWuGQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know many people that HATE the music but several friends of mine dislike it. Prog and Prog metal isnt the only music I listen to though, I like some almost electronic, some metal, etc. My observation is most people don't mind the prog but mind the instrumentals. Most of the masses seem dazzled that people can write music without words and call it music. It was funny when I composed a song with over 10 parts to it in 4 minutes, and a friend turned it off after trying to listen to it, saying "damn, it's so repetitive"! This coming from a girl who listens to radio friendly pop :) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dombrowsky To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: The pain of the odd beat Well, my girlfriend and I broke up yesterday. The last straw was when she walked in and rudely shut off my CD player while I was listening to Spock's Beard. Her comment was, "I can't stand another minute of this f'ing crap music." Time to find another girlfriend. The thing is, I hear this all the time from prog-rock fans: "If I could only find a girl who liked this music, I could be happy." This got me thinking... what is it about this music that not only do people not like it, but there is a large number of people who will activly HATE it. And why do the people who like this music see it as such a yardstick for judging a person's personality? This has happened with at least three of my girlfriends, some of my friends, and countless people who I barely know. If I should put on a Dream Theater song that's easy, in 4/4 or 8/4, they might not like it, but they can take it. But as SOON as I put on something in an odd time like 5/4 or 7/4, its like they become possessed by a demon and must rid their ears of this evil sounding music. To me, if I hear a song with time changes, unpredictable rhythms, and an odd beat, THAT is exactly what makes me like the song. To others, those same traits seem to actually make them nervous, angry, even violent. Am I on crack? Am I the only one to notice this? -Dave --Boundary_(ID_+oaz6HbogIgVyp+ogFWuGQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:31:44 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: The pain of the odd beat Message-ID: I find this distinction interesting: Play long (sometimes very long), often complex, difficult to play instrumental pieces of music, with time signature changes, etc on guitars, drums, keyboards and bass, and those who aren't fans often think it's cheesy prog/metal. Play it on guitars, saxaphones, trumpets, etc and it's pretentious and self indulgent. Play it on cellos, violins, flutes, etc with a guy in a penguin suit waving a stick around and even people who don't like it still largely respect it. Now I'm not saying that all prog, jazz, etc is "as good" as classical music, because there is some seriously shit prog out there, and jazz that could do with having some kind of recognisable key (or keys) to the song. However, even when they don't like it, most people respect the musicianship and complexity of classical music. Niall > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Mike Shetzer > Sent: Monday, 12 July 2004 10:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: The pain of the odd beat > > > > --Boundary_(ID_+oaz6HbogIgVyp+ogFWuGQ) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > I don't know many people that HATE the music but several friends > of mine dislike it. Prog and Prog metal isnt the only music I > listen to though, I like some almost electronic, some metal, etc. > My observation is most people don't mind the prog but mind the > instrumentals. Most of the masses seem dazzled that people can > write music without words and call it music. > It was funny when I composed a song with over 10 parts to it in 4 > minutes, and a friend turned it off after trying to listen to it, > saying "damn, it's so repetitive"! This coming from a girl who > listens to radio friendly pop :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:34:00 -0400 From: "Kevin" To: Subject: Re: Infinity Minus One Message-ID: Already happened dude! We had our first show June 30th, then were back onstage 2 days later on July 2nd. We're probably gonna be playing again on August 1st and maybe even a couple more shows this month. Josh and Kurt are taking care of the booking, so give Josh an email and we can finally get that show happening! Kev Hammer Infinity Minus One http://www.infinityminusone.com > Kev duder! > > >We dropped out of public (well, if you can call the internet "public") eye > for a while to reform >and finally transform ourselves into a live band. > > Awesome! Ya gotta let me know when that's gonna happen! > I was playing in your neck of the woods awhile back and Dennis came out to > hang. We all had a good time (minus the music selection - hahaha). > > >So, what's this you're hinting to about a Money for the Toll reunion?!?!? :) > Something like that. Unfortunately, it won't be the exact same lineup, but > we're bringin' the tunes back. Maybe some IMO/ MFTT shows like we've been > talking about for 4 years? > > Sean > The return of _Money For The Toll?????_ > (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/moneyforthetollmusic.htm) > "Write a witty saying and you'll be remembered forever." > - - unknown ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6917 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===