YTSEJAM Digest 6833 Today's Topics: 1) RE: DT Master of Puppets by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 2) "way back in '98" by "Steve Johnson" 3) Re: Bootleg thoughts by Nathan Wilhelm 4) Re: "way back in '98" by Damon Fibraio 5) Re: JP tuning down on Train of Thought by Rick Audet 6) Re: "Way back in '98" by "Alexandra O'Connell" 7) Re: "way back in '98" by Mike Shetzer 8) Re: DC show last night (9:30 club) by Eric George 9) RE: DC show last night (9:30 club) by Eric George 10) Oldtimers by "Paul W. Cashman" 11) Re: "Way back in '98" by Sarah Hallum 12) Re: Oldtimers by Rick Audet 13) Re: "Way back in '98" by Brian Hayden 14) Yes, it's been a long time by Graham Borland 15) Re: "Way back in '98" by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 16) Re: "Way back in '98" by Coldfire 17) Re: "Way back in '98" by Miguel Farah 18) Re: "Way back in '98" by "Dr. Mosh" 19) Re: "Way back in '98" by "Kez" 20) Re: "Way back in '98" by "Kez" 21) Re: DC show last night (9:30 club) by "Kez" 22) mixed crowd by "Stephen Gervois" 23) RE: mixed crowd by "Niall Connaughton" 24) RE: Massey Hall DT bootleg by "Niall Connaughton" 25) Re: "Way back in '98" by Coldfire 26) Oakdale show by Michael Burstin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:26:19 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" Subject: RE: DT Master of Puppets Message-ID: And the great thing about the band releasing official boots and behind the scenes CDs is that the BAND makes the money. Man I'm all for that and would like to see more bands do that. Not only for the fans, but to earn some well deserved cash flow for themselves rather than the greedy record labels. What do you think ? JM -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Conzett [mailto:email_address_removed It is a cool CD. Kudos to DT for releasing these types of CDs!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:34:18 -0600 From: "Steve Johnson" To: Subject: "way back in '98" Message-ID: HOLY CRAP, SKADS! I went and read those early Jams and the names flood back! Paul Cashman, Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai, Mike Burtsin, Tim Lodge.... HAPPY 11th BIRTHDAY, JAM! Glad to have been here for 10 of those! Steve Steve Johnson Group Supervisor Manning, Selvage & Lee/Chicago P: 312 861 5200/5292 (dir.) F: 312 861 5252 email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:59:01 CST From: Nathan Wilhelm To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bootleg thoughts Message-ID: > Bar none, In the Name of God is the best song on Train of > Thought, but is was close to torture to listen to it on that boot. As > a whole I think that they rushed thru the 2nd verse, as well as the > instrumental section (specifically the section with the bad ass John > Myung bass line in it.) and for the most part it was very tough to > listen to James. For me, In the Name of God is probably my least favortie song on the album besides As I Am, but live I thought it was freaking awesome. One thing I've noticed listening to bootlegs is that you can pick out a lot of things that you didn't notice live. James never sounds as on pitch when you listen to a boot at a reasonable volume. At the show when the volume is so cranked up, a lot of the little pitch mistakes and stuff are hard to notice. I didn't notice them rushing when I saw them, but once again I think it is a lot of the same reasons. If you're sitting there at a concert thinking about them rushing a little I think you need to loosen up and just enjoy the show more. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:34:57 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "way back in '98" Message-ID: Wow. I've only been here since 1995, and I didn't even know that 10 years have gone by on the jam. this place is far from what it used to be. I miss the old crew and having a place to chat with all you lunatics. I remember the brief run at a voice chat ytsejam channel. Good to see that my few favorite ytsejam girls are still here, too. Oh well, back to work. At 11:56 AM 3/31/2004, you wrote: >HOLY CRAP, SKADS! > >I went and read those early Jams and the names flood back! Paul >Cashman, Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai, Mike Burtsin, Tim Lodge.... > >HAPPY 11th BIRTHDAY, JAM! Glad to have been here for 10 of those! > >Steve > > >Steve Johnson >Group Supervisor >Manning, Selvage & Lee/Chicago >P: 312 861 5200/5292 (dir.) >F: 312 861 5252 >email_address_removed -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: email_address_removed: Band site: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com "To those who understand, I extend my hand To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am Not under your command, I know where I stand I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I am "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: JP tuning down on Train of Thought Message-ID: Your scale length most likely is the cause of your problem. I have no problem on my 25.5" scale length guitars using a .046" string tuned down to C# (drop-D, all strings a half step down). It does surprise me that 050" still causes you a problem, but I haven't gone through the math to see how much difference in string tension there is. I'm using a .052" on one of my guitars for the E string tuned down to C# and that works well too. *shrug* If you have a tremolo, make sure that's set up correctly with the new gauge of strings, as well as the truss rod to maintain a proper bow in the neck. I don't see anything about this on johnpetrucci.com, but I remember Michael Romeo answering a question about his string gauges on an IRC chat a few years ago (he tunes all strings down a whole step). The details of his answer escape me at the moment. Good luck, Rick Audet San Francisco On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Chris Smart wrote: > Does anybody know if JP is using heavier strings when he tunes a > 6-string down for various songs on TOT? > > My low E when dropped down to C# or C is absolute mushc when palm-muting > rhythm parts, and that's with a .050". All I can think is that my > custom at 24.9" is just not providing enough tension, compared to JP's > guitars at standard Fender scale length. Heck, dropping from low E to D > is still flabby in terms of accurate pitch... > > thanks > Chris, wishing he didn't have perfect pitch - it really is very > overrated. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: >I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? How time flies... Alex <---- seriously wanting to go to the show in NYC this weekend, but my DT pal is MIA... the tour sounds great so far! ==== - I believe in a world that can take you high in a place where visions can prevail - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:42:10 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "way back in '98" Message-ID: <005301c41758$423a62a0$9b00a8c0@mizz> --Boundary_(ID_9AHCuD5rj41FuFKwOZ+eag) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Paul's still here :) I remember the discussions of Mike Bahr, but that's about it. I'm goin on the 5 year mark! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Johnson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: "way back in '98" HOLY CRAP, SKADS! I went and read those early Jams and the names flood back! Paul Cashman, Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai, Mike Burtsin, Tim Lodge.... HAPPY 11th BIRTHDAY, JAM! Glad to have been here for 10 of those! Steve Steve Johnson Group Supervisor Manning, Selvage & Lee/Chicago P: 312 861 5200/5292 (dir.) F: 312 861 5252 email_address_removed --Boundary_(ID_9AHCuD5rj41FuFKwOZ+eag) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DC show last night (9:30 club) Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Kez wrote: > I didn't realize that this many jammers would be at the show. Maybe you > heard me. I was the one in the balcony periodically yelling > "BAFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!" before the show.........couldn't get any response, > though I did turn a few heads. bless you Kez. my man, keepin' the legend alive! -- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:02:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: DC show last night (9:30 club) Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote: > Too bad it's not ETR... that'd be "Eat the Rich!"... but then that'd be > Lemmy and Motorhead.. bah.. that would also apply to Aerosmith, if i remember correctly.... -- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:18:32 -0500 From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Oldtimers Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:25:11 -0500 > From: "Kez" > Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" > > Must be time for the oldtimers roll call again!!! > > Pellaz, Coldie, Spine???? Anyone out there?? Yeah, I know you are...... Yeah, you know I am. :) Not sure how far my own imperfect Ytsejam archives go back....but they're all disjointed and I'm missing segments. I've been keeping the last few years' worth, though. I never left the Ytsejam, despite the occasional dire promise to quit during the Bad Times. :) -- +--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ | NEW email: email_address_removed | | "true" website address: http://home.comcast.net/~pellaz | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Hallum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Alexandra O'Connell wrote: > >I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! > > Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy > crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? Hmm. I've been around since early 98. And even Kez doesn't remember me! Sheesh! Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Oldtimers Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:25:11 -0500 > From: "Kez" > Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" > > Must be time for the oldtimers roll call again!!! > > Pellaz, Coldie, Spine???? Anyone out there?? Yeah, I know you are...... Oh hi! Yes, I'm here since mid 1996, back when I was in the middle of graduate school, getting into arguments with David "Wild Koba" Kobayashi (remember him? good guy...) and whomever else. I miss the Bafu Vai posts, Mike Bahr inadvertently turned me onto Type O Negative, some guy I traded tapes with in Colorado turned me onto Porucpine Tree, Chris Ptacek turned me onto Symphony X, Dr. Mosh turned me onto Conception, Chris "D-Man" Merlo turned me onto Spock's Beard, and somewhere along the way lots of other bands filtered into my bloodstream because of people on this list. Who knows where I'd be or how many fewer people would hate my guts without our beloved Ytsejam. No other mailing list has had as much of an effect on my life. Cheers! Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:35:43 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: > Hmm. I've been around since early 98. And even Kez doesn't remember me! > Sheesh! '96. for some reason. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Hayden | "When the going gets weird, ADCS Helpline | the weird turn pro." University of Minnesota | - Hunter S. Thompson -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 2004 22:41:44 +0100 From: Graham Borland To: Ytsejam Subject: Yes, it's been a long time Message-ID: I have been on the 'jam since 1995. Since that time I have met in person several ytsejammers, and been to about 20 DT gigs. I got involved in quite a few flame wars and arguments back in those days when I was still young and foolish. :-) -- Graham Borland email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:54:08 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: First post you have archived is an unsub request -- how appropriate. Ytsejam started as email_address_removed after the Los Angeles Troubador concert, so my guess is that it started in November 1992. It was created at the request of Paul Ferraro, Jason Hough, and Brian Vogelsang. We were all fans of When Dream and Day Unite which we read about in Kerrang! back when it was reviewed. Brian was in the early fan club so he let us know when he received the Metropolis promo. I'm pretty sure the first post was from email_address_removed saying that the list was live. I might still have the archives on a backup tape. The list has gone through several hardware iterations and the original disk holding the archives was gone around 1996 when we upgraded from a Sun IPX to a fully loaded SPARCstation 2 (which had its power supply die in 2000). > Wow, I never thought of this :) > > The earliest jam I have is 228 (though I am pretty sure someone has some > of the even ealier ones) and it's dated: > > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 21:29:49 PDT > > So, we are long past 10 years. Who has the rest of the archives? I > think I may have 228->current. If you want to see them in a less than > organized fashion: > > http://www.dreamt.org/ytsejamarchives/ > > Skadz -- Ken Bibb "When brightness falls email_address_removed Who'll come running?" --Sylvian/Fripp "Brightness Falls" ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:08:26 -0500 From: Coldfire To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: I say Kez gets 100 lashes with a wet noodle at Prog Power. What say you? Coldie At 04:28 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Alexandra O'Connell wrote: > > > >I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! > > > > Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy > > crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? > >Hmm. I've been around since early 98. And even Kez doesn't remember me! >Sheesh! > >Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:49:17 -0400 From: Miguel Farah To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: <20040401004917.GA13122@antonia.lj.cl> Alexandra O'Connell [31/03/2004 17:06] dijo/said: >>I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! > >Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy >crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? Makes two of us. -- MIGUEL FARAH // NOmigSPuelAM@lj.cl #include // http://www.farah.cl <*> "I keep having these fantasies where the Dead Sea Scrolls are full of assembly code." - Greg Travis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:15:28 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: <20040401021527.GA19679@zero> The voices in my head!!! They never go away!! -The Doc -- -------------- http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:34:35 -0500 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: <00ba01c41791$df15c860$6401a8c0@amdathlon14> Now don't get your panties all in a wad................unless you prefer them that way. ;) I wasn't listing ALL, just a couple.................I could never forget about my BAH! See you this Friday night?? Hope so. Kez P.S. http://www.SeismicRadio.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Hallum" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Alexandra O'Connell wrote: > > > >I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! > > > > Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy > > crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? > > Hmm. I've been around since early 98. And even Kez doesn't remember me! > Sheesh! > > Sarah > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:37:21 -0500 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: <00c801c41792$42042b10$6401a8c0@amdathlon14> Promises , promises........... I'll be waiting with my fine ass exposed. Make the noodle REAL wet.......... Kez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coldfire" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" > I say Kez gets 100 lashes with a wet noodle at Prog Power. What say you? > > > Coldie > > > At 04:28 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: > >On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Alexandra O'Connell wrote: > > > > > >I'm Still here! Jammin since 98! > > > > > > Huh. I've been hanging around since (late) 97. Holy > > > crap am I officially an old(ish)-timer?? > > > >Hmm. I've been around since early 98. And even Kez doesn't remember me! > >Sheesh! > > > >Sarah > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:39:23 -0500 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: DC show last night (9:30 club) Message-ID: <00d001c41792$8b400830$6401a8c0@amdathlon14> I'm trying, though there are very few at shows that "get it" these days. Some traditions are just worthy of keeping alive. I shall soldier on. Kez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric George" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: Re: DC show last night (9:30 club) > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Kez wrote: > > > I didn't realize that this many jammers would be at the show. Maybe you > > heard me. I was the one in the balcony periodically yelling > > "BAFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!" before the show.........couldn't get any response, > > though I did turn a few heads. > > bless you Kez. my man, keepin' the legend alive! > > -- > Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, > Eric George -Tech Guru's ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:25:19 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: mixed crowd Message-ID: <038001c417c2$de857900$3fe39f0a@PCxxxx> Brian said : > I guess that's the problem with bands like DT. You get > a mixed crowd. Thats what I like about DT "the mixed people", you get : metal heads rock heads pure prog heads oldies very youngies middle agedies bouncers moshers dancers (hey Loic remember that ! ;) ) sitters musicians listeners singers air drummers What you don't get are the unhappy ;) Talking about mixed crowds => I remember back in the late 80's the crossover concerts from DRI, that was a bitch cause you'd get hard core punks and thrashers together... I even remember some getting in with razor blades ! I'm glad that's over ! ACBLF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:45:49 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: mixed crowd Message-ID: Opeth don't have much of a mixed crowd, but I was impressed to see a father turn up with two kids who looked around 12 years old. The kids were wearing black with metal shirts, they looked into it :P "And what music do you like, little Joe?" "DEATH FUCKIN METAL!!!! \m/ \m/" > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Gervois > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 6:48 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: mixed crowd > > Thats what I like about DT "the mixed people", you get : ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:19:20 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: Massey Hall DT bootleg Message-ID: Holy shit, how good is that solo in Hollow Years? Awesome! Thanks Chris! Hmm, great quality too, I had forgotten it was a boot. > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Chris Smart > Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 9:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Massey Hall DT bootleg > > > Ok, after some grumbling, I relented and have posted a final > version of the > Massey Hall Toronto 03/25/04 show in .mp3 format, with id3 info. > The files > are encoded from the original uncompressed versions, at 192K, so the > quality should be sufficient for CDRs. It will be up for download for a > couple weeks. After that, it will be part of my Kazaa-lite shared folder. > > http://bumpy.braille.uwo.ca/~chriss/toronto032504.zip > > Chris > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:10:58 -0500 From: Coldfire To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" Message-ID: Ya know.....since I have seen the video of your naked backside....(nice mental kodak to start the day :)) I think this should be most fun! We should do this at one of the many after parties...or hey at the Pre-Show! And yes.....said noodle will be wetter than wet! Coldfire At 09:45 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote: >Promises , promises........... > >I'll be waiting with my fine ass exposed. Make the noodle REAL >wet.......... > >Kez > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Coldfire" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: "Way back in '98" > > > > I say Kez gets 100 lashes with a wet noodle at Prog Power. What say you? > > > > > > Coldie > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:08:40 -0500 From: Michael Burstin To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Oakdale show Message-ID: Been a _long_ time since I've posted, but havn't seen any comments from the Oakdale show yet. I was so incredibly surprised that they played (To Live) Forever, with an extended instrumental towards the end!!!!!!!! That, followed by A Fortune In Lies! Great set list, overall. Hoping for some more surprises tonight in Boston. BTW, whoever posted the Toroto show mislabed a track. They have Puppies On Acid, which should be Only A Matter Of Time. As far as older digests, one of these days, I'll see if I can find some really old ones on some old QIC80 tapes I have sitting around... -- Michael Burstin: email_address_removed http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6833 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===