YTSEJAM Digest 6824 Today's Topics: 1) 6doit impression by Chris Smart 2) RE: milwaukee set (SPOILERS! ! ! ! ! !) by "Nathan Wilhelm" 3) Re: 6doit impression by George Papadopetros 4) RE: 6doit impression by "Niall Connaughton" 5) RE: DT in Milwaukee by "Pye, Adam T" 6) NDTC: Opeth DVD by Eric George 7) Re: Opeth DVD by Mike Shetzer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:27:16 -0500 From: Chris Smart To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 6doit impression Message-ID: I'll report on Friday about the Toronto gig. Massey Hall is a 2,700-seat venue with great acoustics, so I'm hoping for a great show! I hope they don't play much Six Degrees (disc 2) material. It's strange .. I think disc 1 of 6DOIT is my favorite DT material of all, and disc 2 is definitely my least favorite! To me it felt like: "OK, we'll experiment, stretch out, have fun, and be creative on disc 1, including interesting use of effects and some experimentation with production. Then, we'll write a lame story, load on the reverb, and put Scenes from a Memory's bastard child on disc 2." Did anybody else get that impression? Yes, I love the band. Yes even bad DT is still good, and something I will listen to from time to time - not to mention pay money for. I've just always been puzzled by the huge creative, lyrical, and production discrepancy between the two discs. Chris P.S. MD recorder and Core-sound binaurals will be with me on Thursday. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:11:55 -0600 From: "Nathan Wilhelm" To: Subject: RE: milwaukee set (SPOILERS! ! ! ! ! !) Message-ID: <001a01c40fcc$3262fe70$0f00a8c0@nathanhome> Ok... a few comments on what people have said about this show. 1. Venues without seats are so much better than those with seats. You always get the fans who really get into the music in the front rather than just the people who happened to get tickets right away. Although the idiots always trying to force their way to the front when there really isn't any room can get annoying. I went to both the Minneapolis (with seats) and Chicago (without seats) shows in the last week and I would have to say the Chicago show was much more fun. Although the Minneapolis show was sweet too. 2. The Milwaukee setlist wasn't the greatest, but for those you seem to think it's a travesty that they are playing stuff off of the new cd... What do you expect? Of course they're going to play their new stuff. I was happy with how much old stuff they played and the fact that almost all of the old stuff was different between the two shows. I would have loved to have gotten the Metropolis encore once instead of ACOS twice, though. 3. Some guy outside the Chicago show, who seemed to be part of the crew or something, said that the length of the set basically comes down to how the guys are feeling. Given that they had played the night before in St. Louis and had to play the following night in Chicago, I don't blame them for taking it easy. But that does suck for those of you in Milwaukee. There's my comments for the year. Nate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:24:49 +1100 From: George Papadopetros To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 6doit impression Message-ID: Can't say I agree Chris. I LOVE disk 2. There's something comically theatrical about it. I rate disk 1 as not bad, but that's just my humble opinion. I just spent the weekend painting the bedrooms in our house. Boring stuff indeed, so I kicked the family out of the house, gave them some money to spend at the local shopping centre, and proceeded to have a DT fest. Loud. The house was rocking. Some of the songs though make you want to paint faster that what you should, causing numerous blunders. Moral: In the debate on whether TOT is a good or bad album I can tell you this. TOT is not a good choice of music to listen to while trying to paint edges in a strait line. George. At 08:51 PM 21/03/2004 -0800, you wrote: >I'll report on Friday about the Toronto gig. Massey Hall is a 2,700-seat >venue with great acoustics, so I'm hoping for a great show! > >I hope they don't play much Six Degrees (disc 2) material. It's strange >.. I think disc 1 of 6DOIT is my favorite DT material of all, and disc 2 >is definitely my least favorite! >To me it felt like: >"OK, we'll experiment, stretch out, have fun, and be creative on disc 1, >including interesting use of effects and some experimentation with >production. Then, we'll write a lame story, load on the reverb, and put >Scenes from a Memory's bastard child on disc 2." > >Did anybody else get that impression? > >Yes, I love the band. Yes even bad DT is still good, and something I will >listen to from time to time - not to mention pay money for. I've just >always been puzzled by the huge creative, lyrical, and production >discrepancy between the two discs. > >Chris >P.S. MD recorder and Core-sound binaurals will be with me on Thursday. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:10:42 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: 6doit impression Message-ID: I have to agree with Chris, at least about the second disc. I haven't listened to this disc for over a year, and I'm not really missing it, though I would still enjoy it if I did put it on, just not more than once every now and then. Kinda the same as I don't listen to WDADU much, and I don't miss it. Niall > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > George Papadopetros > Sent: Monday, 22 March 2004 4:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: 6doit impression > > Can't say I agree Chris. I LOVE disk 2. There's something comically > theatrical about it. I rate disk 1 as not bad, but that's just my humble > opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:43:48 -0600 From: "Pye, Adam T" To: Subject: RE: DT in Milwaukee Message-ID: It's funny how different people have completely different impressions of music. I feel the exact opposite way from what Todd described here. I've thought from the beginning that Jordan was a poor fit for this band, and that feeling is confirmed every time I hear them play live. Jordan is definitely, in my opinion, the best keyboardist DT has had -technically speaking-. He's insanely fast and can wow you with his runs, etc, but that's about where his talents stop impressing me. He has zero feeling in his playing, and his key tones remind me of a very talented keys player using a $20 MyFirstCasio keyboard. So prog-generic, so light and weak, so devoid of anything approacing "balls." Derek had faults, sure, but he had a fun stage presence, played with more heart and feeling than Jordan ever has, and had possibly the best keys tones I've ever heard. Listen to a Derek LITS verses a Jordan LITS. No comparison. Derek's version had so much power that I felt my face peeling back the few times I saw it live with him. Jordan's playing is missing that power. Sure, he can play fast, but DT already has members that play fast at the expense (at times) of feeling. I never thought they needed another mechanical, robotic player, and that's how Jordan comes across to me. I know this topic has been beaten into the ground and I'm not intending to start another discussion, but I was just struck by how much music is in the eye of the beholder. Happy Monday everyone (ugh!)... Adam -----Original Message----- From: Todd Wood Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT in Milwaukee Todd said: >> MP was great as usual & JR was incredible. A much better live musician than the other two keyboardists. I was really impressed with In >> the Name of God live. It is the weakest song off the album but rocked live. ***** "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers." 113 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: The `Jam Subject: NDTC: Opeth DVD Message-ID: a little off-topic here, but has anyone checked out the opeth dvd "lamentations: live at shepherd's bush 2003"??? i saw it online for only $10, & wanted to get some feedback on it before buying. granted, for only 10 bucks, i'd probably get it anyway. unless, of course, it completely blows. then i'll find something else to spend my $$$ on. thanks. -- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:10:00 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Opeth DVD Message-ID: <000d01c41052$09e3c020$9b00a8c0@mizz> --Boundary_(ID_1ijY0EezwXJyCEKMEcxkWQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Where did u see it for 10$??? I saw it for like 13-15 or something, which was reasonable... but 10? i'd buy it for the hell of it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: NDTC: Opeth DVD a little off-topic here, but has anyone checked out the opeth dvd "lamentations: live at shepherd's bush 2003"??? i saw it online for only $10, & wanted to get some feedback on it before buying. granted, for only 10 bucks, i'd probably get it anyway. unless, of course, it completely blows. then i'll find something else to spend my $$$ on. thanks. -- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general --Boundary_(ID_1ijY0EezwXJyCEKMEcxkWQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6824 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===