YTSEJAM Digest 6780 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Train of Thought Review... by "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" 2) TSO, Savatage by "Paul W. Cashman" 3) RE: TSO, Savatage by "Niall Connaughton" 4) RE: The Dismal Derek by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 5) RE: The Dismal Derek by "Niall Connaughton" 6) RE: The Dismal Derek by "Andrew Coutermarsh" 7) RE: The Dismal Derek by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 8) TSO Ticket Prices by email_address_removed 9) RE: TSO Ticket Prices by "Todd O. Klindt" 10) sweet by "Trevor Hoit" 11) Re: TSO Ticket Prices by email_address_removed 12) RE: Remember? by "Neil Evans" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:20:01 -0600 From: "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" To: Subject: Re: Train of Thought Review... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:22:22 -0500 From: xcitor > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Train Of Thought Review... Message-ID: > Quoting >> on <2004-01-27 - 04:16>: > > > Among other items, the new issue of the free ezine Music Street Journal > includes a review of Train of Thought. > > Feel free to stop by and check it out. > > Music Street Journal > http://www.musicstreetjournal.com> i actually wouldn't mind reading the review, but this is the biggest piece of crap website i've ever seen. Jeezus H. four links and all of them return 404! -- email_address_removed SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org The index file got corrupted on upload, but I got a fresh copy up there as soon as I was made aware of it...so, you are set now to check it out. Sorry about that. ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:08:17 -0500 From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: TSO, Savatage Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:24:31 EST > From: email_address_removed > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: TSO, Savatage > Message-ID: > I have no pity for Savatage, if they have fewer fans it's because they have > consistently alienated their fanbase. Uh, congrats. You managed to miss the entire point of my post, which was that the increasing ticket prices for TSO's show, not any of the band's practices, are winnowing the crowd of metal faithful. Well done! [anti-Savatage diatribe, including unconfirmed rumours, etc., deleted] TSO is doing what someone suggested DT should have done on this upcoming tour: so, you have more elaborate and expensive staging? Raise ticket prices a bit, across the board. It was worth it for TSO's 3-hour performance and the added stuff -- LOTS of pyro, more than I've seen at any show in years -- was pretty darn cool. Oh, can't let this one slip by: > 3. After Al Pitrelli left to join Megadeth (being the band whore that he is, > > good player notwithstanding) they hired a respected metal guitarist (Jack > Frost) and then totally screwed him over by firing him when Pitrelli was lef > t > jobless a few months later after Megadeth imploded. --And this differs from DT's casual dismissal of Derek Sherinian......how? Would you rather a band abruptly let someone go for a former bandmate returning, or for a new band-member entirely? (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.) -- +--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ | NEW email: email_address_removed | | "true" website address: http://home.comcast.net/~pellaz | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:03:15 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: TSO, Savatage Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Paul W. Cashman > Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 7:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: TSO, Savatage > > (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's > decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot > of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.) Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!! Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!?? They should get Billy Joel in ;P Niall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:28:37 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek Message-ID: Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek. -----Original Message----- From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:email_address_removed > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul W. Cashman > (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's > decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot > of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.) Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!! Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!?? They should get Billy Joel in ;P Niall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:38:28 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek Message-ID: "Light years", eh? You startin' somethin?? dem's fightin' words! Hey maw, this guy says Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek! My maw says you wouldn know good keyboardin iffn you was swimmin in it. But she says she has a soft spot for Jordan cos it seems like he's got 12 fingers, just like my maw has. > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Souter, Jan-Michael > Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:31 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek > > > Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:40:06 -0500 From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" To: Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek Message-ID: Can we PLEASE not start this again? They were BOTH good, and I don't want to hear any of this "so-and-so is better than the other" because it's all a matter of opinion. Jordan has better TECHNIQUE and that's IT. The rest is a matter of opinion. Personally, while I like Jordan's solo material, I feel he's somewhat lacking on DT's stuff (note that I do NOT feel this is necessarily his fault as much as I think it's MP and JP's fault). His technical prowess doesn't do him any good when the material he's playing sucks. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com ------------------------------------------------- If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is "God is crying." If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, "Probably something you did." ------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Souter, Jan-Michael Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek. -----Original Message----- From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:email_address_removed > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul W. Cashman > (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's > decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot > of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.) Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!! Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!?? They should get Billy Joel in ;P Niall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:11:35 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek Message-ID: heh well, wasn't meant to start up a war of words, but Andrew is right... It's all a matter opinion. In a roundabout kinda way, it's good to get some actual traffic on the list going again :) -----Original Message----- From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:email_address_removed "Light years", eh? You startin' somethin?? dem's fightin' words! Hey maw, this guy says Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek! My maw says you wouldn know good keyboardin iffn you was swimmin in it. But she says she has a soft spot for Jordan cos it seems like he's got 12 fingers, just like my maw has. > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com > > Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:26:14 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: TSO Ticket Prices Message-ID: $45 is pricey for the TSO show this year? Do you even realize how many people are involved with that show that have to get a cut of your ticket money? In addition to the 6 main band members, there are about 8 vocalist and a small local orchestra (12 People?) from each city, not even including all the crew and the cost of the Pyro and light show which gets bigger and better every single year. I have no problem paying the price they charge. If I do feel the price gets too high, I won't buy a ticket. Its just that simple. These people gotta eat you know :) You could have also bought cheaper seats but you WANTED to spend more on better seats. No one forced you, at least, I don't think they did. Same thing goes for the New DT ticket prices. If you feel its not worth the money or that you can't really afford it, then you just don't go. It is not that big of a deal. ~YtseJim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:47 pm > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 6779 > > Paul Cashman sez: > > << Decent floor tickets for that show, BTW, were a pricey > $45.=A0 > > With every > > passing year, sadly, the number of obvious Savatage fans and > metal > > fansin the audience dwindles. > > The mighty Al Pitrelli was the (ahem) last in line at the after-show > > signing, and as I shook his hand I said jokingly "Thanks for a great > > show...from one of the few, the proud,...the metalheads who can > still> afford a ticket to this show."=A0=A0 > > He chuckled, rolled his eyes and said "I hear ya there, > > brotha."=A0 Not > > condescendingly, either; he understands.=A0 :) >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:12:10 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: Subject: RE: TSO Ticket Prices Message-ID: I agree. I for one think the new ticket prices aren't a bad idea. Let the people that can pay more, pay more. Those that can't, or don't want to, don't have to. It's about choices. Choices are good. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of email_address_removed Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: TSO Ticket Prices $45 is pricey for the TSO show this year? Do you even realize how many people are involved with that show that have to get a cut of your ticket money? In addition to the 6 main band members, there are about 8 vocalist and a small local orchestra (12 People?) from each city, not even including all the crew and the cost of the Pyro and light show which gets bigger and better every single year. I have no problem paying the price they charge. If I do feel the price gets too high, I won't buy a ticket. Its just that simple. These people gotta eat you know :) You could have also bought cheaper seats but you WANTED to spend more on better seats. No one forced you, at least, I don't think they did. Same thing goes for the New DT ticket prices. If you feel its not worth the money or that you can't really afford it, then you just don't go. It is not that big of a deal. ~YtseJim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:47 pm > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 6779 > > Paul Cashman sez: > > << Decent floor tickets for that show, BTW, were a pricey > $45.=A0 > > With every > > passing year, sadly, the number of obvious Savatage fans and > metal > > fansin the audience dwindles. > > The mighty Al Pitrelli was the (ahem) last in line at the after-show > > signing, and as I shook his hand I said jokingly "Thanks for a great > > show...from one of the few, the proud,...the metalheads who can > still> afford a ticket to this show."=A0=A0 > > He chuckled, rolled his eyes and said "I hear ya there, brotha."=A0 > > Not condescendingly, either; he understands.=A0 :) >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:17:55 -0800 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: sweet Message-ID: <005a01c3e5cb$0d010bc0$message_id_removed> Glad I didn't pay an extra $10 for a seat in row 16-30. I just got row 12. So there. T ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:16:29 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TSO Ticket Prices Message-ID: --part1_3d.3a0d1417.2d499ccd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" here's my thing with $45 ticket prices: get over it. there are soooooo many bands out there that charge way more than that for nose bleed seats. a buddy of mine saw genisis on there last two tours and paid well over $100 for seats that were about 200 feet from the stage because his now ex-wife HAD to see them. another buddy of mine paid $125 a ticket to see the stones on there last tour and he was something like 30 rows back. 20 years ago i saw rush and paid $35 and was happy. my personal opinion is that any act out there that kicks ass on stage, plays for more than one hour (dt and rush concerts are unusually long compared to most), and charges around $40 is giving you a deal. my king crimson tickets in madison two years ago were $35 and they played for 85 minutes. jacko np: brain eno and david byrne: my life in the bush of ghosts --part1_3d.3a0d1417.2d499ccd_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:23:58 -0500 From: "Neil Evans" To: Subject: RE: Remember? Message-ID: <000401c3e60e$f4027c00$0200a8c0@athlon> Rick, that was a cool blast from the past. That whole series of events was a blast - from signing the banner, to the preshow get-togther, to seeing MP holding it up. Thanks for posting it. Hello also to Scott Luttringer and Matt B if you guys are reading - it's been a while! -Neil. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6780 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===