YTSEJAM Digest 6718 Today's Topics: 1) re: UK by "Ilia" 2) RE: The Way it Used to Be by "Todd O. Klindt" 3) Re: The Way it Used to Be by Mike Shetzer 4) Re: More TOT by email_address_removed 5) Neil Morse Live by "Roy Miles" 6) Re: UK by email_address_removed 7) Re: Progressiveness by Dave Peterson 8) RE: The Way it Used to Be by "Todd O. Klindt" 9) Just got ToT... by "Dan Costello" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:58:57 -0500 From: "Ilia" To: Subject: re: UK Message-ID: >For all the others on the list, let's not forget DT covered UK's "In the >Dead of Night" at Ronnie Scott's. Too bad that song wasn't chosen as one >of the covers on ACoS. Heh, how about Yngwie's cover of In the Dead of Night? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:33:03 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be Message-ID: I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best quality, but it's yours if you want it. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Dan Costello Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Way it Used to Be Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my favorite DT songs. -Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:55:27 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Way it Used to Be Message-ID: <00ef01c3b29a$ff6ac180$9b00a8c0@mizz> --Boundary_(ID_VPWx85vyNWtKnsfgXLy+uQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have the Hollow Years EP from Japan with the original song on it. But no tab. ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd O. Klindt To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best quality, but it's yours if you want it. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Dan Costello Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Way it Used to Be Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my favorite DT songs. -Dan. --Boundary_(ID_VPWx85vyNWtKnsfgXLy+uQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:33:19 +0000 (GMT) From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: More TOT Message-ID: >>[nosey ending of ITNoG] > lol, JR's NOSE?! stop smoking the crack pipe there... :P Hehe, no shit - check out the "recording of..." vid on www.cdkeybonus.com/dreamtheater ! As for Trey Gunns departure, I'm just happy that I got to see him play with Crimson a couple of weeks ago - most impressive indeed! Definitely one of the best concerts this year, along with Ephel Duath - and Opeth's Damnation show... (To Bid You Farewell... ahh, unbeatable!) Cheers, Oddvar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:18:28 -0500 From: "Roy Miles" To: Subject: Neil Morse Live Message-ID: <001b01c3b2b7$5c792b70$0100a8c0@carnenycjaripj> I caught Neal Morse (with Mike Portnoy among others) live in Metuchen last Friday, and I have to say it was a great prog show.. The Christian stuff went in one ear an out the other.. This is from the perspective of an atheistic Jew-boy :-) The music was immaculately played, and Portnoy was his usual bombastic self... I have to say that if Morse decides to become a "Christian rocker", he'll quickly lose me, but I don't think that'll happen.. I think that "Testimony" was just his life story, and finding religion was just part of it...at least that's what I hope, anyway.. Roy from Brooklyn ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:32:42 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: UK Message-ID: --part1_1d4.15274774.2cf3a8ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" this is off subject, but what the hell ever happened to eddie jobson? every one else connected w/ the band uk has kept busy and you hear their names here and there, but i never heard of jobsob again. same thing w/ the non-guitarists in the band gtr. the guitarists moved on, but the other guys hit obscurity city. jacko --part1_1d4.15274774.2cf3a8ca_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Progressiveness Message-ID: Questions like this are usually not touched with a ten-foot pole because the definition of progressive music is so subjective, yet we all pretty much have a good idea of what progressive music is so why not attempt to define it? I've been on this list since Awake, so I'll try and do the honors. There's a very humorous "mock-definition" floating around somewhere that surprisingly is pretty accurate, if not satirical. Anyway... 1. The core of all progressive music is that it "progresses". Meaning that often the song starts out with one idea which morphs into another, into another, and finally can end on something altogether different than when you started. The antithesis of this would be country music where you get the basic gist of the music after the first 8 bars. 2. You can't write a good progressive song in 3 1/2 minutes. This is why prog is almost never on the radio (or is subjected to some pretty heavy radio-edits to cut it down to a more "digestible" size for radio). Almost all prog songs are at least 5 minutes and often are between 8 and 12 minutes. The Ivory Gate of Dreams by Fates Warning and A Change of Seasons by Dream Theater both clock in at about 20 minutes, while A Pleasant Shade of Grey by Fates Warning is basically a single song that fits on a 50+ minute album! Yes has their share of long-ass songs as well, with an album (Tales of Topographic Oceans) that contains 4 songs, each about 20 minutes in length! Jam-bands like Grateful Dead and Phish are known for long-ass songs, but it's less about virtuosity and more about how good the weed is that day. Those guys are borderline-progressive at best. 3. Speaking of virtuosity, that's another important key. Because the songs are so complex, it takes special musicians to pull them off. Good progressive bands often have some of the best musicians on the planet! Robert Fripp, Mark Zonder, Geddy Lee, Roy Khan, Daniel Gildenlow, Mikael Akerfeldt, Vitalij Kuprij, Arjen Lucassen and every member of Dream Theater are just the beginning! 4. I playfully describe progressive music as "The music that comes from a band that practices too much". 5. The singer often is classically trained, using his voice much like a musical instrument. Some people think this sounds "80's", but how else are you going to compete with the kick-ass musicians around you unless you've got major chops on the vocal end as well? The singer of Puddle of Mudd (basically a one-octave range) wouldn't know what to do with himself! Because the singers are so frighteningly gifted and bombastic, it freaks a lot of people out who aren't used to a frontman also being a... *gasp*... vocalist!!! Frontmen who are bad singers: David Lee Roth, Anthony Kiedis, Perry Farrell, Les Claypool, Dave Mustaine, etc. (Obviously this is heavily my opinion only...) 6. The lyrics of a typical progressive song are rarely about sex, drugs and rock & roll. Nor are they about anti-establishment ideas. Moreover, they're usually intelligently written, about relationships (won and lost), or have elements of fantasy, and are usually (but not always) uplifting or enlightening. Sometimes etherial or sci-fi in nature, sometimes dark and brooding. 7. 9 out of 10 progressive bands have a full-time keyboard player. 8. Progressive music fans have often been accused of being "musical snobs" because our standards are so high. We require EVERY musician to kick ass, EVERY song to be incredibly difficult, and every album to be better than the last. What's wrong with having high standards? 9. Jokes have been made about prog album covers. Anywhere from strange amorphic child/animals sunning themselves on geodesic landscapes, to countless creepy bedrooms, to vague collages of childhood gone awry. "Manly" would not be a word to describe the typical prog album cover. 10. Despite my poking fun here and there, progressive rock (specifically prog-metal) is the best music in the world. Period. Any questions??? - Dave (Dr. Teeth) Peterson --- Nathan J Wilhelm wrote: > A lot of you have been talking lately about whether TOT is progressive and > whether FII is progressive. Just out of curiosity, what are your definitions > of progressive? Someone said that just having complicated time changes is > not enough. So what is the "official" definition of progressive? > > Nate > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:14:26 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be Message-ID: I didn't even see the word "tab" in there. Sorry. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Mike Shetzer Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Way it Used to Be --Boundary_(ID_VPWx85vyNWtKnsfgXLy+uQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have the Hollow Years EP from Japan with the original song on it. But no tab. ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd O. Klindt To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best quality, but it's yours if you want it. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Dan Costello Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Way it Used to Be Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my favorite DT songs. -Dan. --Boundary_(ID_VPWx85vyNWtKnsfgXLy+uQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:21:16 -0500 From: "Dan Costello" To: Subject: Just got ToT... Message-ID: First, the cd packaging has a red strip to rip open the celophane. MAJOR BONUS POINTS! Some of the best DT cover art ever. This and FII are really friggin cool. No more floating statues! :-) Upon first listening... As I Am: First thing I notice - whoa, this intro is friggin cool. Milliseconds later, second thing I notice - hey, there's digital distortion/clipping all over this thing! :-( First Vapor Trails and now Train of Thought! :-( :-( :-( As a whole, the song's pretty decent. This Dying Soul: More cool riffing. I don't like the processing on James' singing in this song. It actually fits better than his normal vibrato would, but in the grand scheme of vocal tones, I'm not wild about it. The "rapping" is okay - more like heavy syncopated screaming. Not wonderful, but not nearly as bad as the canadian human beat box I was imagining based upon the complaints I've read. ok song. It's cool for upbeat background music for driving or working out. The solo was a total wankfest, but this was the grandaddy of wankfests. Jeez'm that was fast! Endless Sacrifice: More digital distortion. :-( One of jordan's patches sounds very fuzzy, adding to the distorted sound. :-( I wasn't paying attention to most of the middle part. Nothing really stood out at me, though. Honor Thy Father: Riffage is cool, but everything's starting to sound the same. Vacant: Good music - some elements very reminiscent of SFAM. Crappy lyrics - also reminiscent of SFAM? :-). Overall, a nice change of pace from the All-loud-all-the-time feel of the first 4 tracks Stream of Consciousness: My favorite tune so far. Interesting changes, dynamics and solo breaks. Also VERY reminiscent of SFAM. In the Name of God: Wankfest galore. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz Waiting on 2nd listen... -Dan. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6718 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===