YTSEJAM Digest 6682 Today's Topics: 1) Re: If anybody DOES know... by Rick Audet 2) Re: Instrumental? by Andrew Coutermarsh 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 6681 by "Ilia" 4) Re: Instrumental? by Andrew Coutermarsh 5) If anybody DOES know... by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 6) Re: times and Stream of Consciousness by "Ambassador Nelaskon" 7) If anybody DOES know... by "Stephen Gervois" 8) If anybody DOES know... by "Stephen Gervois" 9) Re: Mike Portnoy news by Eric George 10) Re: Instrumental? by email_address_removed 11) Re: Mike Portnoy news by email_address_removed 12) RE: Instrumental? by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 13) Re: Mike Portnoy news by Mike Shetzer 14) RE: times and Stream of Consciousness by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 15) RE: Mike Portnoy news by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 16) Re: times and Stream of Consciousness by Andrew Coutermarsh 17) Re: Instrumental? by Mike Shetzer 18) RE: Pre-ordering? by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 19) Re: times and Stream of Consciousness by "Dave Schott" 20) Re: times and Stream of Consciousness by Andrew Coutermarsh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: If anybody DOES know... Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the CD running time is longer than 42 minutes? I > should hope so, but sources tell me that it's only 41:20. That's all I > want to say, but it is pretty short for an album I think. Are these the same sources that said the band is breaking up after this album? Or the sources that said they got a new singer? Or the sources that said Kevin Moore has testicular cancer? Or the sources that said the actual album title is "Waiting for Godot?" ;) Just wondering, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Instrumental? Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > Somebody said that Stream of Consciousness was an instrumental that DT > was using in some competition. They even said something like "Trust me, > guys ;)"... That was me. Although, I don't recall putting a winky in. > Well, here's what I have to say about that. I don't know what DT is > using in any competition, but as for Stream of Consciousness being an > instrumental ... that's a load of crap. Uhm... What are YOU using for your information? Because not only have I had it confirmed to me by somebody who spoke to one of the band members; the title on the song for the DT song contest (it's listed right there on the whiteboards in the pictures for the contest) is "S.O.C.", and what's more, the times match up. I also believe that Itchy posted it on his weblog in his review of the album, which appears to have been taken down already. So how, exactly, am I wrong? Don't tell me you downloaded the songs... because, uh, there aren't any actual real versions of the songs that you can find online. Anything on the P2P networks is fake. > Hopefully I don't piss anyone off here... I would have just kept quiet > about it, but when someone puts out something incorrect with a "trust > me" attatched to it, I have to chime in. :) Again, I'm asking you how you know that I'm wrong. Given all of the information I've gotten to date, I said with all belief what I felt was true. However, I DID have more information than the average fan, so I felt reasonably assured that I was right. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But how on earth are you going to come onto the list and post a rebuttal without any proof whatsoever? I mean, if that were the case, then we could argue about it all day. "You're wrong!" "I'm not!" "You are!" "Am not!" ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:09:31 -0400 From: "Ilia" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 6681 Message-ID: <009701c39806$dc65f140$14b4030a@mrs01> Umm.... http://www.dreamtheater.net/dtswcont.htm > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:51:46 -0800 > > From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" > > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > > Subject: Instrumental? > > Message-ID: > > > > Hey all. I deleted the previous jams by accident, but there was a thread > >going on here about trying to guess who wrote which songs. > > > > Somebody said that Stream of Consciousness was an instrumental that > >DT was using in some competition. They even said something like "Trust > >me, guys ;)"... > > > > Well, here's what I have to say about that. I don't know what DT is > >using in any competition, but as for Stream of Consciousness being an > >instrumental ... that's a load of crap. > > > > Why would you come onto the list and act like you have inside > >information, and then say something wrong like that? Well, maybe there > >is an instrumental version in some competition; I only even know of a > >competition's existence from reading my email. But if so, that's not the > >album version. > > ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Instrumental? Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > Somebody said that Stream of Consciousness was an instrumental that DT > was using in some competition. They even said something like "Trust me, > guys ;)"... > > Well, here's what I have to say about that. I don't know what DT is > using in any competition, but as for Stream of Consciousness being an > instrumental ... that's a load of crap. Aha! Found Itchy's comments, which have been taken down (they were in a message on MP's forum, listed under a revision that has since been edited out--you can read what changes were made to a person's post if you click the "revision" link): > From Itchy's review of the ToT album: > The track I have been looking forward to the most is the instrumental > "Stream Of Consciousness" (11:16). I'm not a musician myself, so I won't > even attempt to describe this amazing piece of music. :-) ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. - Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:36:56 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: Subject: If anybody DOES know... Message-ID: <001601c39813$1195b3d0$3c01a8c0@ROSCABOX> Hah these dufuses probably downloaded the fake MP3s going around the file sharing networks! haha and they got OWNED ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Audet" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: If anybody DOES know... > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if the CD running time is longer than 42 minutes? I > > should hope so, but sources tell me that it's only 41:20. That's all I > > want to say, but it is pretty short for an album I think. > > Are these the same sources that said the band is breaking up after this > album? Or the sources that said they got a new singer? Or the sources that > said Kevin Moore has testicular cancer? Or the sources that said the > actual album title is "Waiting for Godot?" ;) > > > Just wondering, > > Rick > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Ayustar Internet - 787-440-3232] > > > --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Ayustar Internet - 787-440-3232] ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:02:20 -0800 From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: times and Stream of Consciousness Message-ID: The messages I sent ... well, it will be yesterday by the time this one gets out there ... appeared in the wrong order. But I'm not so sure it matters. I have been talking with the people I mentioned before, who had said that they had the album. I even asked to hear some of it so I could check it out for myself. I'm not so sure they have it at all. I haven't seen it talked about here, but I'm thinking someone has been "leaking" incorrect versions of the new tracks deliberately. In this case, there is supposedly a promo version of "As I Am" floating around, but the "full" version (the reason I thought it was 45 minutes as opposed to 41) is COMPLETELY different, and I don't think DT did it. James is obviously singing, but the band sounds like a mainstream modern rock act compared to genuine DT. I haven't been up on James' side projects, but I'm assuming a lot of this stuff is from those. Some of the other tracks sound like they *could* be DT, but they sound in ways more like Superior, in the singing and the drums. Also, the musical direction doesn't sound ... I don't think DT would close an album the way their tracks do. Basically, I can't be confident of anything at this point. I think a lot of people think they have leaked versions of the album, when that might not truly be the case. I would think it was funny if I hadn't recently accused someone on the list of giving out false information. :( The track they have called Stream of Consciousness is definitely not an instrumental, but it is not certain at all if that is the real deal or not. SO... I apologize to whoever it was that said SoC was an instrumental. I came off like thay must have been lying or just trying to act like they knew more than they did. But ... for all I know as of this point, they could very well be right. But this couls be a heads-up as well for some of you who might run into "leaked" tracks. Some of them are pretty good, especially the one they have under "In the name of God" ... I'm actually pretty curious to know what that is, because if it's not DT then it's definitely worth checking out. Well, if nothing else, this might stir up some conversation ... even if the conversation is just "Shut up, dumbass, we already knew everything you just said!" :) Cyafreak -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:16:13 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: If anybody DOES know... Message-ID: <00c801c39863$fec651a0$3cff9f0a@PCxxxx> > Can anyone tell me if the CD running time is longer than 42 minutes? Actually, in the "Your Majesty" fanzine (French DT fanclub), Seb had an interview with MP where he heard about 1mn from each new song ... Well aparently DT wanted to cut under 60mins for the CD but couldn't ... I'm at work though... I'll check what exactly was said when I get home. See ye ACBLF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:15:30 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: If anybody DOES know... Message-ID: <00ba01c39863$e5451540$3cff9f0a@PCxxxx> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. > Can anyone tell me if the CD running time is longer than 42 minutes? Actually, in the "Your Majesty" fanzine (French DT fanclub), Seb had an i nterview with MP where he heard about 1mn from each new song ... Well aparently DT wanted to cut under 60mins for the CD but couldn't ... I'm at work though... I'll check what exactly was said when I get home. See ye ACBLF ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:14:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy news Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote: > What puzzles me is how god told neal to quit the Beard, but apparently the heavenly one has no problem with a Beatles cover band? :P actually, he's quoted as feeling called to "do something else", as taken from his own statement on radiant records' site. it's not that he feels that he can't do music anymore, just that the "Spock's" period in his life is now over. http://www.radiantrecords.com/news.htm also, for some more info, straight from neal's mouth, check these other links out. you'll find more out this way than by being presumptuous and sarcastic because of a man's beliefs & faith. to do so almost cheapens what he's given us this far, since they were his beliefs then as well. according to him, a lot of those songs which we love so much were inspired in one way or another by the very thing you just chose to belittle, mike. whether you agree with him or not isn't the point. http://www.deliciousagony.com/1-NealMorse-10-29.mp3 (this will auto-download the actual mp3 archive of the interview) http://www.revelationz.net/index.asp?ID=425 (another post-spock's interview, just text this time :)) if anything, you'll at least have a clearer perpective through neal's own words as to what's going on, as opposed to just sitting back and making jokes due to assumption. -eric -- "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:33:16 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Instrumental? Message-ID: --part1_1cf.12f88368.2cc7c4fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" having read the latest fan club magazine, i'm backing up andrew on this one. mp states that one of the songs is an instrumental. that is also the song from the contest. jacko --part1_1cf.12f88368.2cc7c4fc_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:40:59 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy news Message-ID: --part1_160.273fcdf2.2cc7c6cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" did i miss something here? i'm pretty sure this was posted months ago. also, am i the only one who has gotten the latest fanclub magazine? usually it's mentioned here before i even get my copy. jacko --part1_160.273fcdf2.2cc7c6cb_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:02:12 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Instrumental? Message-ID: What are you smoking ? Ok, besides the ACOS EP, and since AWAKE, when was the last Dream Theater CD that wasn't at least 70 minutes in length ? As for your statement about "Stream of Consciousness" NOT being an instrumental? You are sadly mistaken. Why not go to www.mikeportnoy.com and read the info for yourself ? go here: DT Songwriting Contest http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.asp?m=273260 You may be interested in this statement from MIKE himself: "Here is our handwritten chart for one of the tracks on the upcoming DT album. In fact, this track is an instrumental (ooohhh I gave away a detail of the new CD!!!) Using a song without vocals will eliminate the IMPOSSIBLE task of you having to guess a song title, lyrics and melodies. So...all you need to worry about is drums, guitar, keyboards and bass! (Oh, it should be easy now!!) " Have fun on that page. Take notice of the pictures on that page. Particularly the very first picture that says Song # 7 Instrumental ( S.O.C. ) -----Original Message----- From: Ambassador Nelaskon [mailto: email_address_removed Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Instrumental? Hey all. I deleted the previous jams by accident, but there was a thread going on here about trying to guess who wrote which songs. Somebody said that Stream of Consciousness was an instrumental that DT was using in some competition. They even said something like "Trust me, guys ;)"... Well, here's what I have to say about that. I don't know what DT is using in any competition, but as for Stream of Consciousness being an instrumental .. that's a load of crap. Why would you come onto the list and act like you have inside information, and then say something wrong like that? Well, maybe there is an instrumental version in some competition; I only even know of a competition's existence from reading my email. But if so, that's not the album version. Hopefully I don't piss anyone off here... I would have just kept quiet about it, but when someone puts out something incorrect with a "trust me" attatched to it, I have to chime in. :) Cyaron -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:22:20 -0400 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy news Message-ID: <004501c3989f$85c443c0$9b00a8c0@mizz> Yes, I was making a joke, but that's just what it was a joke. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate, respect or understand what he's doing. If I should stop "belittling" you should lighten up and make sure you see the :P smiley face when I post. That aside, you should read the jam more often if you reply 7 months later... you might have missed some threads in the meantime! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric George" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy news > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote: > > > What puzzles me is how god told neal to quit the Beard, but apparently the heavenly one has no problem with a Beatles cover band? :P > > actually, he's quoted as feeling called to "do something else", as taken > from his own statement on radiant records' site. it's not that he feels > that he can't do music anymore, just that the "Spock's" period in his life > is now over. > > http://www.radiantrecords.com/news.htm > > also, for some more info, straight from neal's mouth, check these other > links out. you'll find more out this way than by being presumptuous and > sarcastic because of a man's beliefs & faith. to do so almost cheapens > what he's given us this far, since they were his beliefs then as well. > according to him, a lot of those songs which we love so much were inspired > in one way or another by the very thing you just chose to belittle, mike. > whether you agree with him or not isn't the point. > http://www.deliciousagony.com/1-NealMorse-10-29.mp3 > (this will auto-download the actual mp3 archive of the > interview) > http://www.revelationz.net/index.asp?ID=425 > (another post-spock's interview, just text this time :)) > > if anything, you'll at least have a clearer perpective through neal's own > words as to what's going on, as opposed to just sitting back and making jokes > due to assumption. > -eric > > -- > "The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > > -me > > Proud "Trillian" user > http://www.ceruleanstudios.com > AIM screename: Ryften13 > email_address_removed (text-based email) > email_address_removed -or- > email_address_removed (HTML-based email) > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:15:50 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: times and Stream of Consciousness Message-ID: You should check into all of the SUPERIOR CD's.. The leak was Superior's CD called "Younique" -----Original Message----- From: Ambassador Nelaskon [mailto:email_address_removed < SNIP > But this couls be a heads-up as well for some of you who might run into "leaked" tracks. Some of them are pretty good, especially the one they have under "In the name of God" ... I'm actually pretty curious to know what that is, because if it's not DT then it's definitely worth checking out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:34:08 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Mike Portnoy news Message-ID: Mis-information travels a lot quicker these days. It's all good, we appear to have it straightened out.. Can't wait to drive to the local store on release day and buy the CD. Schedule will be cleared that evening after work for sure. -----Original Message----- From: email_address_removed [mailto:email_address_removed did i miss something here? i'm pretty sure this was posted months ago. also, am i the only one who has gotten the latest fanclub magazine? usually it's mentioned here before i even get my copy. jacko ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: times and Stream of Consciousness Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > I have been talking with the people I mentioned before, who had said > that they had the album. I even asked to hear some of it so I could > check it out for myself. I'm not so sure they have it at all. I guarantee you that they downloaded it off of someplace like KaZaA, which I know for a fact has users on it who are hosting "fake" files, much like Portnoy did. As JM Souter said, many of the files are from Superior's Younique album. > I haven't seen it talked about here, but I'm thinking someone has been > "leaking" incorrect versions of the new tracks deliberately. In this > case, there is supposedly a promo version of "As I Am" floating around, > but the "full" version (the reason I thought it was 45 minutes as > opposed to 41) is COMPLETELY different, and I don't think DT did it. > James is obviously singing, but the band sounds like a mainstream modern > rock act compared to genuine DT. I haven't been up on James' side > projects, but I'm assuming a lot of this stuff is from those. Not sure what the other version is, but I'm certain that one of them is from "Leonardo: The Absolute Man;" I forget exactly which song it is. I haven't heard any of them myself, so I'm not sure. > The track they have called Stream of Consciousness is definitely not an > instrumental, but it is not certain at all if that is the real deal or > not. SO... I apologize to whoever it was that said SoC was an > instrumental. I came off like thay must have been lying or just trying > to act like they knew more than they did. But ... for all I know as of > this point, they could very well be right. I apologize for going off on you, but you're right: it did sound like you were accusing me of lying. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:52:38 -0400 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Instrumental? Message-ID: <000a01c398a3$c1389d30$9b00a8c0@mizz> > What are you smoking ? The good ol' green... that'll keep me occupied till november 11 :) > Ok, besides the ACOS EP, and since AWAKE, when was the last Dream Theater CD > that wasn't at least 70 minutes in length ? Damn straight! I should hope that with 7 songs, the boys make them at least 10 minutes each ;) Anyone pre-ordering the CD? I have done so and have thought for long days thinking whether or not it's worthwhile. The only reason to pre-order is if your fave record shop will be sold out or will not have it at all, right? If I pre-order it, it gets shipped the same day the record shop gets the CD but it takes 2-14 days air mail for it to get to me. Sounds more worthwhile to just go to a store and buy it (saves 5$ shipping cost too...). Is pre-ordering more worthwhile than I give it credit for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:20:15 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Pre-ordering? Message-ID: I pre-ordered in the past, but in Dallas/Fort Worth I haven't found a shortage of DT CD's readily available on release day or thereafter. And there wasn't any shipping charge at the store :) jm -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:email_address_removed Anyone pre-ordering the CD? I have done so and have thought for long days thinking whether or not it's worthwhile. The only reason to pre-order is if your fave record shop will be sold out or will not have it at all, right? If I pre-order it, it gets shipped the same day the record shop gets the CD but it takes 2-14 days air mail for it to get to me. Sounds more worthwhile to just go to a store and buy it (saves 5$ shipping cost too...). Is pre-ordering more worthwhile than I give it credit for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:29:49 -0400 From: "Dave Schott" To: Subject: Re: times and Stream of Consciousness Message-ID: <003301c398a8$f316ef00$0200a8c0@Two> Could any of it be leaked from James' project Frameshift? -Dave Schott (AdmiralDave) email_address_removed http://www.bangarangband.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: times and Stream of Consciousness > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote: > > > I have been talking with the people I mentioned before, who had said > > that they had the album. I even asked to hear some of it so I could > > check it out for myself. I'm not so sure they have it at all. > > I guarantee you that they downloaded it off of someplace like KaZaA, which > I know for a fact has users on it who are hosting "fake" files, much like > Portnoy did. As JM Souter said, many of the files are from Superior's > Younique album. > > > I haven't seen it talked about here, but I'm thinking someone has been > > "leaking" incorrect versions of the new tracks deliberately. In this > > case, there is supposedly a promo version of "As I Am" floating around, > > but the "full" version (the reason I thought it was 45 minutes as > > opposed to 41) is COMPLETELY different, and I don't think DT did it. > > James is obviously singing, but the band sounds like a mainstream modern > > rock act compared to genuine DT. I haven't been up on James' side > > projects, but I'm assuming a lot of this stuff is from those. > > Not sure what the other version is, but I'm certain that one of them is > from "Leonardo: The Absolute Man;" I forget exactly which song it is. I > haven't heard any of them myself, so I'm not sure. > > > The track they have called Stream of Consciousness is definitely not an > > instrumental, but it is not certain at all if that is the real deal or > > not. SO... I apologize to whoever it was that said SoC was an > > instrumental. I came off like thay must have been lying or just trying > > to act like they knew more than they did. But ... for all I know as of > > this point, they could very well be right. > > I apologize for going off on you, but you're right: it did sound like you > were accusing me of lying. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ > Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com > ------------------------------------------------- > Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a > man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, > it's not like HE needed them, right? > ------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: times and Stream of Consciousness Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Dave Schott wrote: > Could any of it be leaked from James' project Frameshift? I'd be willing to go ahead and say a big negative on that one. Though I haven't heard any of the stuff, everybody on the MP.com forum is saying that it's either Superior or from Leonardo. I did happen to see that a "radio edit" of As I Am was on KaZaA, but it was pretty obvious that it was from Mullmuzzler 2, given that its filename was "07 - Save Me.mp3". So I'm pretty sure that I can say that there is no Frameshift stuff in there. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/ Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com ------------------------------------------------- "Prayer has no place in school, just like facts have no place in religion." - Superintendant Chalmers from "The Simpsons" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6682 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===