YTSEJAM Digest 6499 Today's Topics: 1) Re: OSI possible spoiler by Mike Shetzer 2) Re: open letter to all non-americans by "James Arin Colberg" 3) Politics and War...BAH! by James 4) war by "TREVOR HOIT" 5) RE: war by "Niall Connaughton" 6) Re: open letter to all non-americans by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker 7) VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? by Dave Peterson 8) Re: war by email_address_removed 9) Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? by Dave Peterson 10) Re: OSI possible spoiler by email_address_removed 11) Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? by Dave Peterson 12) RE: OSI possible spoiler by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 13) jammin' on ebay by Mike Shetzer 14) RE: jammin' on ebay by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 15) Sound good?? by "Joseph Smith" 16) Re: jammin' on ebay by Mike Shetzer 17) RE: Sound good?? by "Niall Connaughton" 18) You know what this is about ... by Ryan P Skadberg 19) Re: Gwar! Gwar! Gwar! by "Jay Omega" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:55:16 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler Message-ID: <000a01c2f1a8$6a89a300$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_r7+ylzMT1x0WpwD+F2jCVg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yep, he's serious! I actually like the floyd cover very much! Can't say I've heard the original, but the spaciness is very Porcupine Tree-y and sinister, while maintaining a throbbing sort of trippiness that carries the song slowly. The 20 minute song is also cool, I like the fretless bass action on the When You're Ready section. Sean malone is greatness! ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler --Boundary_(ID_z/SQya/QX3c6N6xpbPeXng) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21A048B4; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Are you serious? Wow. At 07:38 PM 3/23/2003, you wrote: > >I actually just bought this, and I only got the single disc version. What's > >on the extra CD, if there is a 2 disc set? > >A Pink Floyd cover ("Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun"), a short >tune with some samples from a "Rambo" movie, and a monster 20-minute >instrumental demo that eventually evolved into about half the songs on disc 1. > >Brian > >=========================================== >WB Henderson email_address_removed >(or, if you prefer / that email_address_removed) >=========================================== -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: email_address_removed Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com Personal web site: http://www.damonfibraio.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com "Celebrate the moment, As it turns into one more Another chance at victory, Another chance to score The measure of the moment, Is a difference of degree Just one little victory, A spirit breaking free One little victory"--Neil Peart of Rush "Seize the day, and don't you cry, now it's time to say goodbye Even though, I'll be gone, I will live on."--Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons --Boundary_(ID_z/SQya/QX3c6N6xpbPeXng)-- --Boundary_(ID_r7+ylzMT1x0WpwD+F2jCVg) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:33:17 -0500 From: "James Arin Colberg" To: , Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans Message-ID: <006701c2f1b6$1e3b2650$6401a8c0@SERVER> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:38 AM Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans > "James Arin Colberg" wrote in reply to "Bruce Forst" > : > >If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to > >be troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place! > > Guess you didn't get the irony of his statement *so others don't have to be > troubled with reality*... That statement basically says if I don't want to hear this on the list I "don't want to be troubled by reality". I am "troubled by reality" and to suggest that if I don't want to discuss this here I don't care about what is going on is a pretty shitty thing to do. > >You make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the > >American people > > Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, the only occurence > of "majority" in his posting was in "We have a right wing faction that has > gained considerable control of the government and a decent majority of the > media." Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, all of these statements puport to speak for more than just Bruce Forst: "Many people seem to think that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world ignoring other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe"." "Many americans are standing up to Bush and his fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life." "We value our freedoms more than we fear the terrorists." "We do not all think that one American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives." "And we realize that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion." "We know Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand of tyranny." "We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the world in our fight against "communism"." "Now we will create more Saddams in our fight against "terrorism"." "Many U.S. christians are living more like Christ and less like Jerry Falwell." "And we know that War is not Peace." > >You don't speak for us all, you don't speak for me! > > Now, he didn't pretend to speak for all Americans. I'd hope that > governments and their followers would stop speaking for others, too. But > maybe that's the basic fault of democracy. The point being that he was not speaking for just himself. I will not speak to that last jab at "the basic fault of democracy" as again I say this is not the right place for that discussion. :^) Take care, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: James To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Politics and War...BAH! Message-ID: I have been on the Jam for a long time, since near the beginning. I don't post much, but love to read the posts about OFB, but I am this -> <- close to unsubscribing til the war is over unless all these useless, off-topic posts stop. I read the jam, and listen to DT to get AWAY from this crap! Can we drop it and get back to what this list is about, or should I just unsub? Sorry for the rant, James aka Roadie NP: Lacuna Coil-Falling Again __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:15:23 -0800 From: "TREVOR HOIT" To: Subject: war Message-ID: <004401c2f1c4$5fb9eea0$message_id_removed> Canada has decided to help the USA with Iraq. It was announced today that Canada is now prepared to help the U.S. in it's war against terrorism. They have promised to commit 2 of their largest battleships, 6000 armed troops and 600 fighter jets. However, after the exchange rate, that comes down to: 1 Canoe 2 Mounties 1 Flying Squirrel ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:23:41 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: war Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > TREVOR HOIT > Sent: Monday, 24 March 2003 4:21 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: war > > 1 Flying Squirrel Hey Rocky, watch me pull a chemical warhead out of my hat! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:40:10 +0100 From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker To: "James Arin Colberg" , Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans Message-ID: At 22:33 23.03.03 -0500, James Arin Colberg wrote: >Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, all of these >statements puport to speak for more than just Bruce Forst: Yep, he speaks of "many" and "we", but not of "most". Now, while "most" implies "many" except with very small groups, the reverse doesn't hold :-)) Actually, one may wish for people speaking for themselves, OTOH he still is right in so far there very well are quite a few US citizens who are of these opinions. Best, Heike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? Message-ID: I've been on this list since 1994 and I love my Ytsejam. The initial rules of the Ytsejam do state explicitly that there should be no politics discussed on this list. Yet, at times like this, the war is on so many people's minds that I feel perhaps the 'jam's "discussors of war" might have a strong point. The only way to prevent war on this planet is to communicate. So, Ytsejam, I propose a vote: Should we discuss it on the list or not? I'll be happy to keep track of the vote myself and I'll close the voting and post the results at noon on Tuesday (Eastern time - USA). To vote: Send an e-mail to me (email_address_removed) with a SUBJECT of either: Discuss war: YES or Discuss war: NO Anything written in the body of the e-mail will be ignored. *** If the vote is YES, please keep the discussions CIVIL and avoid any namecalling and other childishness. Also, please put a [WAR] tag on the subject of all e-mails so they can be immediately identified as such. *** If the vote is NO, then absolutely, positively, NO MENTION OF WAR ON THIS LIST!!! Frankly, I don't care either way. I get my fill of war discussions on the Pain of Salvation list. ;) Finally, I'm not the moderator of this list (is it still Skadz?), so ultimately what he says goes. I'm just interested in getting the list's opinion and hopefully ending any resentment on the list. Peace. - Dave "Dr. Teeth" Peterson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:27:23 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war Message-ID: --part1_1da.5d880b1.2bb053ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" agian? that trick never works. --part1_1da.5d880b1.2bb053ab_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? Message-ID: Eh, let's make it noon on Wednesday. No need to rush this. I'd like to get a decent amount of participants voting here. Thanks! - Dave __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:58:58 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler Message-ID: --part1_1cd.5ae8d61.2bb05b12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" when you're ready is my favorite song on this cd. shut down is also great. the mood of this whole album is so moody and dark. i even got my niece to take out her good charlot out and play this. she's going to media play this comming weekend to buy osi. i get two people hooked, they get two people hooked, and so on... does any one know if it's true that mike wasn't happy w/ the whole sound/vibe of osi or is that just ugly rumour? jacko --part1_1cd.5ae8d61.2bb05b12_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not? Message-ID: Within minutes of my posting of this, I received a vote where they didn't follow instructions. Please put your vote IN THE SUBJECT LINE!!! Discuss war: NO or Discuss war: YES Thanks. *Sigh* - Dave __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:49:33 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: OSI possible spoiler Message-ID: Kevin Moore's solo material (Chroma Key) is much softer than this OSI release and waayyy more experimental. His stuff is way out there. But if that's your bag, grab it. :) -----Original Message----- From: email_address_removed [mailto:email_address_removed i just got the OSI release in the limited edition package. i think it is unbelievable. i can't stop listening to it. i can't remember who the proposed vocalist was (sorry for this), but i think kevin's voice just sets the mood for these songs. The songs remind me of several groups that are not considered prog rock. i don't want to say too much about the sound, except to say that it is not a clone of any previous MP project and i hope they do another album w/in the next year or two. can anyone tell me if this cd is anything like kevins' solo music? i have to admit that the only thing i know about chromo key is that kevin is in it. jacko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:02:10 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam newsletter Subject: jammin' on ebay Message-ID: <000801c2f216$58603ea0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_6tnNat2x7jLCYTCKstUIHg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry 2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition. If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are, for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301 4627100&rd=3D1 IIVII..$ --e=A2][-][=F826-- =3D) http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman --Boundary_(ID_6tnNat2x7jLCYTCKstUIHg) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:20:08 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: jammin' on ebay Message-ID: Hey do you have that new beach volley ball one with the bikini girls? I'd buy that one lol j/k (I know it's another game system -- ease up ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:email_address_removed If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry 2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition. If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are, for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301 4627100&rd=3D1 IIVII..$ --e=A2][-][=F826-- =3D) http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman NP: SILENT VOICES !! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:30:28 -0600 From: "Joseph Smith" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Sound good?? Message-ID: Damn, sometimes I wish the US would just close it's borders tight, stop all imports and exports, stop giving money to anyone else in the world and say, "Bye, good luck!" to everyone else. Wonder what the world would look like then? If we had done that during WWII, many if not all of you would be speaking German and the rest of you would probably be dead. Before bashing the US gov't, find out how much aid our gov't. gives yours, how many of you immigrants are prospering here now and the many other ways "that damn US gov't." has helped your country. Some of you make me sick! JOE _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:12:07 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: jammin' on ebay Message-ID: <000c01c2f252$68e93830$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_aztEbCUhQJ20SnuBMaHHGw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If I had that one, I'd be playing it alone in the weee hours of the night :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Souter, Jan-Michael To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: RE: jammin' on ebay Hey do you have that new beach volley ball one with the bikini girls? I'd buy that one lol j/k (I know it's another game system -- ease up ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:email_address_removed If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry 2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition. If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are, for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301 4627100&rd=3D1 IIVII..$ --e=A2][-][=F826-- =3D) http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman NP: SILENT VOICES !! --Boundary_(ID_aztEbCUhQJ20SnuBMaHHGw) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:18:29 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: RE: Sound good?? Message-ID: For crying in a bucket. The jam allows off topic stuff so as to be a more diverse, interesting place to be. For the most part, this consists of lots of other bands being talked about, which is great. However, I didn't join this list way back when to listen to a bunch of people yell at each other about Iraq, etc. For the first time ever, The Mirror seems like it might be a better choice than the jam. So here's what I'd like to see happen. There are twenty billion message boards on the net, and I'm sure that for a lot of them, talking about this crap is actually on topic. If those don't suit, you follow what happened with the MP forum. People there got the shits with the non stop threads about religion and politics, and other threads being hijacked by those topics. So the people that wanted to talk about that stuff went off and created their own board. Your very own war flame list is but a click to yahoo groups away. Now for something worthwhile. Are there any aussies that are going to be at the Opeth concert in Sydney? I know Karyn is coming :P Niall ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2003 19:16:29 -0500 From: Ryan P Skadberg To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: You know what this is about ... Message-ID: So, sssssshhhhh now :) no more war talk, please. Let's keep our happy little family happy and talk about music, rather than politics :) Skadz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan P Skadberg E: email_address_removed Ytsejam Moderator U: http://www.dreamt.org/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG fingerprint = 0B97 F771 E7D2 69B2 FF5C 5693 4E25 7E77 DEF0 CA4B ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:35:30 -0600 From: "Jay Omega" To: Subject: Re: Gwar! Gwar! Gwar! Message-ID: <005601c2f266$c79d5c80$92337a40@Poland> OK, I really have nothing to say about Gwar. But if I would have, at least it would have been on topic. --Jay "has no smarmy quote here this time" Omega --NP: Gordian Knot - Emergent ('Singing Deep Mountain' rocks hugely.) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6499 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===