YTSEJAM Digest 6497 Today's Topics: 1) new DS? by Mike Shetzer 2) Re: war, war, war by stan tyszka 3) Re: new DS? by email_address_removed 4) open letter to all non-americans by "Bruce Forst" 5) Re: open letter to all non-americans by "James Arin Colberg" 6) Re: open letter to all non-americans by Mike Shetzer 7) Re: Gold Badge by Chris 8) Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! by Chris 9) Re: War! War! War! by email_address_removed 10) Re: War! War! War! by email_address_removed 11) Gold Badge by Barbara Battaglia 12) Re: War! War! War! by Mike Shetzer 13) Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! by Mike Shetzer 14) Re: War! War! War! by Damon Fibraio 15) Re: war, war, war by Eduardo Ojeda 16) Re: war, war, war by Damon Fibraio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:15:21 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam newsletter Subject: new DS? Message-ID: <011301c2f08e$3cb4a850$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_E+/BBrm7K+JjAYLUnULFLQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I was just reading on Inside Out Music's website about the new Derek Sherinian. This dude makes lots of albums in short periods of time, this one being his second solo album, then there was the three Planet X discs. This one has Yngwie, DiMeola and Lukather on it. It's got my attention... Anyone know a release date? Anyone gonna get it? IIVII..$ --e=A2][-][=F826-- =3D) http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman --Boundary_(ID_E+/BBrm7K+JjAYLUnULFLQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:38:38 -0500 From: stan tyszka To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war, war, war Message-ID: when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN, but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same sentence next to each other. Andreas, are we to take your comment about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you? I know the whole world suffers from the perils of terrorism, Bottom line is that our country decided to spearhead a coalition of forces to seek it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of occurring in the future. It makes me sleep a bit better at night. Now back to the music, Dream Theater RULES. Anyone wondering what they are thinking about all of this, will there be a song with media clips from all of this? Will we be getting a song with a theme related to all of this? One can only wonder. Are you listening Mike???? Stna On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 11:09 AM, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > > After this illegal war brought upon Iraq by the Bush junta, you will > surely get more Sep 11s than you might imagine now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:42:27 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new DS? Message-ID: --part1_31.35f09c01.2badec73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" the release date is april 22, 2003. if you check his web site, it will tell you more details. i got a news letter awhile back that tells how you can order an advance copy for $20 that is autographed, but has no cover art.if you're interested, i can forward this to you. jacko --part1_31.35f09c01.2badec73_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:15:41 -0600 From: "Bruce Forst" To: Subject: open letter to all non-americans Message-ID: <000b01c2f09f$14c33940$d55bea43@oemcomputer> This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list. Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I think. I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples". Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that sometimes. What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a decent majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US at the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president". There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world ignoring other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe". At the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name of security. But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we realize that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand of tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace. When governments fight, soldiers die. Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled with reality. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:14:38 -0500 From: "James Arin Colberg" To: , Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans Message-ID: <001e01c2f0af$ae279d50$6401a8c0@SERVER> If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to be troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place! You make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the American people and then basically tell people they should not respond to the list. Again don't bring it here in the first place. You don't speak for us all, you don't speak for me! Again don't bring it here in the first place. I will not respond to any claims you have made in this post whether I agree with you or not. Again don't bring it here in the first place. There are plenty of forums out there for these topics to be discussed and as well as they should be. You have the right to your own opinion but please take it elsewhere so we can enjoy this list for what it was meant 'Dream Theater and related topics.' Below is the introduction to the Ytsejam mailing list that everyone gets when they subscribe: "Welcome to YTSEJAM, the Dream Theater mailing list! This list is for fans of Dream Theater, and will discuss them and any related topics. (Related topics include other progressive metal bands like Fates Warning, King's X, Crimson Glory, Superior, Lemur Voice, Event, etc.) Topics that are considered non-related include religion, politics, abortion, etc. If a non-related thread lasts for too long, the list managers may issue a warning, followed by suspension or expulsion from the list. Also the list managers reserve the right to reject messages, unsubscribe users, etc. This list is paid for by the managers and it is a privilege, not a right, to be part of it." Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Forst" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: open letter to all non-americans > This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list. > > Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I think. > I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its > like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples". > Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all > as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that > sometimes. > > What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing > faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a decent > majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the > "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of > terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies > about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US at > the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president". > There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many > Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think > that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world ignoring > other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe". At > the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the > government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name > of security. > > But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his > fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our > freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one > American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we realize > that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know > Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand of > tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the > world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in > our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like > Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace. When > governments fight, soldiers die. > > Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled with > reality. > > Bruce > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:51:32 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans Message-ID: <013a01c2f0b4$d1f99710$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_+8mNYmNm4YilJnVus5C6RA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT That being said time and time again... who's got some DT news? ----- Original Message ----- From: James Arin Colberg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to be troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place! You make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the American people and then basically tell people they should not respond to the list. Again don't bring it here in the first place. You don't speak for us all, you don't speak for me! Again don't bring it here in the first place. I will not respond to any claims you have made in this post whether I agree with you or not. Again don't bring it here in the first place. There are plenty of forums out there for these topics to be discussed and as well as they should be. You have the right to your own opinion but please take it elsewhere so we can enjoy this list for what it was meant 'Dream Theater and related topics.' Below is the introduction to the Ytsejam mailing list that everyone gets when they subscribe: "Welcome to YTSEJAM, the Dream Theater mailing list! This list is for fans of Dream Theater, and will discuss them and any related topics. (Related topics include other progressive metal bands like Fates Warning, King's X, Crimson Glory, Superior, Lemur Voice, Event, etc.) Topics that are considered non-related include religion, politics, abortion, etc. If a non-related thread lasts for too long, the list managers may issue a warning, followed by suspension or expulsion from the list. Also the list managers reserve the right to reject messages, unsubscribe users, etc. This list is paid for by the managers and it is a privilege, not a right, to be part of it." Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Forst" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: open letter to all non-americans > This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list. > > Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I think. > I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its > like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples". > Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all > as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that > sometimes. > > What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing > faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a decent > majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the > "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of > terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies > about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US at > the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president". > There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many > Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think > that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world ignoring > other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe". At > the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the > government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name > of security. > > But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his > fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our > freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one > American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we realize > that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know > Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand of > tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the > world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in > our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like > Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace. When > governments fight, soldiers die. > > Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled with > reality. > > Bruce > --Boundary_(ID_+8mNYmNm4YilJnVus5C6RA) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:13:17 -0500 From: Chris To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Gold Badge Message-ID: <02b901c2f0b7$dbee3ca0$message_id_removed> > > You and me both. :) I'm very excited for ProgPower > >(and a Symphony X North American tour to follow...) > > Hey Christin, ever been to PP before? It's a total > blast. Though the tequila there is lethal, I hear... > ahem... Just Chris (webmail gets kind of screwy) :) I was at Prog Power last year, and it was indeed a total blast. :) I didn't drink all that much though. It was a terrific line up and I enjoyed almost all of the sets. > A lot of other people are looking forward to that SX > tour also. :) Of course. :) I just saw them but I'm going through total withdrawal already. > ---- > >I look forward to almost getting to hang out with you > >again......hehe > > LOL! Well, Kez, if you weren't always so busy looking > for that damn umbrella, we might have actually gotten > to hang out. Though based on last year's experience > you may want to practice sign language ;) > > >Now just start saving cash for cd's!! > > ..tell me about it. Too many things to save $ for, > too little $... I spent way too much money on cds there last year! This year I'm going to try to tone it down. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:38:00 -0500 From: Chris To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! Message-ID: <02e501c2f0bb$501fb100$message_id_removed> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Shetzer To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! > > --Boundary_(ID_0c6dyM8k7KIe/2oOoP8pgQ) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > WHOA... that's all I can say. > Third time SX has come here in the last three days: makes me wonder why > DT hasn't been here (Montreal, Canada)... > I saw them back in '01 (not the touring with Blind Guardian show), and > this was my second time seeing them. > Before we get to the setlist... SX is great live. Pinnella (keys) could > really use a volume adjustment... his lead effects > are hard to hear. Romeo interacted with the crowd this time and shook > some hands. Good ol' Russell Allen is great live as always, > pulls off all high notes flawlessly and is always good humored. Rullo on > the drums is like watching a freakin' machine... watching him > Lacrymosa was just eye and ear candy! LePond is also a nutty bassist, he > can fingertap about as fast as Romeo can! No kidding! I love to watch him play. Actually I love to watch all of them play, but bass has kind of always been my thing and it's also usually easier to get close on his side than Michael Romeo's. :) Dream Theater should get to Montreal, because they would love it. You guys are awesome. :) I'm from Detroit and I went to Montreal for that SX show, and it was one of the best crowds I've had the pleasure to be a part of. Quebec City was pretty sweet for Dream Theater, but I think this crowd was even better than that. > Now on to the good news (in no particular order): > Inferno (Unleash The Fire) > Wicked > Church Of The Machine > Communion & the Oracle > Accolade 1 > Accolade 2 > Evolution: The Grand Design > Out of the Ashes > Star Wars jamming, bass / guitar question & answer > Sea Of Lies > Egypt Also King of Terrors, Smoke and Mirrors, and The Death of Balance. :) > encore: > Of Sins and Shadows > Awakenings ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:23:05 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: War! War! War! Message-ID: --part1_2b.3bd39875.2bae3c49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Eduardo Ojeda said: > When did the world elected the US to be its leader? I sure as hell didn't vote. You know what sucks? I did vote in the US election, and I did vote for the winner. But, guess what? His name wasn't George W. Bush. [eriC] http://metzae.net/ --part1_2b.3bd39875.2bae3c49_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:27:33 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: War! War! War! Message-ID: --part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "Glenn Ely" said: > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess, > gotta have a few more, huh? I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong, right? [eriC] http://metzae.net/ --part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:38:33 -0500 From: Barbara Battaglia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Gold Badge Message-ID: I'll be there too guys! So maybe this year I can actually have lunch with Sarah! I remember meeting Alex and Kez last year too! BABS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:24:54 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: War! War! War! Message-ID: <015601c2f0ca$3e9000c0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_JkQxDdykfoFjK6aqNVKGtQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sounds good. A little nuking is a good country-resetter. Just don't nuke Canada, I kinda live here. ----- Original Message ----- From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Re: War! War! War! --part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "Glenn Ely" said: > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess, > gotta have a few more, huh? I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong, right? [eriC] http://metzae.net/ --part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment --Boundary_(ID_JkQxDdykfoFjK6aqNVKGtQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:24:13 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! Message-ID: <014901c2f0ca$267420c0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_UaPIiORyr5Po8aZNRCyVUQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Late reply hm? Yeah, I agree, Montreal metal / prog heads have been increasing in volume lately, and the scene seems to be getting bigger every time I head to a show. This symph X show (and the last one with Blind Guardian) were pretty sold out. As for the DT comment, I agree they would have a blast here, but the issue of them coming here is quite simple. There are plenty of little clubs and such here and there. If DT played there, it would be a mad zoo. No breathing room whatsoever. I doubt any of the big arenas or auditorium places (which house all sorts of pop bands and stuff) would pay DT enough for it to be worth it for them to come here. Most of the NON little local club people haven't even heard of DT. So it's more that they need a bigger place than the little clubs Opeth, Planet X, Flower Kings and Symphony X play at, but not such a big place that they will lose money playing there. You were in town just for SX? I'm touched :) Next time you are in (like Flower Kings? they're here in June), email me, I'll show you around the lovely 'burg! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Shetzer To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: SPOILERS: Symph X live here! > > --Boundary_(ID_0c6dyM8k7KIe/2oOoP8pgQ) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > WHOA... that's all I can say. > Third time SX has come here in the last three days: makes me wonder why > DT hasn't been here (Montreal, Canada)... > I saw them back in '01 (not the touring with Blind Guardian show), and > this was my second time seeing them. > Before we get to the setlist... SX is great live. Pinnella (keys) could > really use a volume adjustment... his lead effects > are hard to hear. Romeo interacted with the crowd this time and shook > some hands. Good ol' Russell Allen is great live as always, > pulls off all high notes flawlessly and is always good humored. Rullo on > the drums is like watching a freakin' machine... watching him > Lacrymosa was just eye and ear candy! LePond is also a nutty bassist, he > can fingertap about as fast as Romeo can! No kidding! I love to watch him play. Actually I love to watch all of them play, but bass has kind of always been my thing and it's also usually easier to get close on his side than Michael Romeo's. :) Dream Theater should get to Montreal, because they would love it. You guys are awesome. :) I'm from Detroit and I went to Montreal for that SX show, and it was one of the best crowds I've had the pleasure to be a part of. Quebec City was pretty sweet for Dream Theater, but I think this crowd was even better than that. > Now on to the good news (in no particular order): > Inferno (Unleash The Fire) > Wicked > Church Of The Machine > Communion & the Oracle > Accolade 1 > Accolade 2 > Evolution: The Grand Design > Out of the Ashes > Star Wars jamming, bass / guitar question & answer > Sea Of Lies > Egypt Also King of Terrors, Smoke and Mirrors, and The Death of Balance. :) > encore: > Of Sins and Shadows > Awakenings --Boundary_(ID_UaPIiORyr5Po8aZNRCyVUQ) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:16:28 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: War! War! War! Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_SQcB0mlBHiASeGpNrG0YhQ) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3A336A76; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OK, can you take this somewhere else and stop being a retard? At 05:40 PM 3/22/2003, you wrote: >--part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >"Glenn Ely" said: > > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess, > > gotta have a few more, huh? > >I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox >News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you >mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential >to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because >we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole >world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong, >right? > >[eriC] >http://metzae.net/ > >--part1_12a.260b1381.2bae3d55_boundary >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: email_address_removed Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com Personal web site: http://www.damonfibraio.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com "Celebrate the moment, As it turns into one more Another chance at victory, Another chance to score The measure of the moment, Is a difference of degree Just one little victory, A spirit breaking free One little victory"--Neil Peart of Rush "Seize the day, and don't you cry, now it's time to say goodbye Even though, I'll be gone, I will live on."--Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons --Boundary_(ID_SQcB0mlBHiASeGpNrG0YhQ)-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:28:43 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war, war, war Message-ID: Wow, it seems some of you americans actually BELIEVE all that crap! Tell you what: The rest of the world doesn't. Your country didn't decide to spearhead anything, because these wars are not about terrorism. They are about the economic interests of a few. Terrorism is just the perfect excuse to justify this blatant expansionist agression in front of the american public opinion. And it seems so far, it is working very well. BTW, do you know who put Saddam in power? The US. You know who put the Taliban in power? The US. You know who created Osama Bin Laden? The US. Don't come tell me now you are trying to free the world of them. There are many more extremist dictatorships responsible of state terrorism in the world. Most of them happen to be sponsored by the US government (for example Pakistan, or Kuwait). And tell me, why doesn't the US attack Israel? After all they are invading Palestine (sp?), a soberan country. >Andreas, are we to take your comment >about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country >actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does >the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you? So you recognize you are living under "Big Brother"-like government control, and you are happy about it? You've got problems. Excuse the harshness of this message, but these are harsh times. I wish, I really wish I could refrain myself of using the Ytsejam to discuss non-DT things. But I can't. This issue touches me way too deeply to just leave these kind of comments unanswered. - Edu >when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN, >but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He >should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't >make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but >I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed >from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame >war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same >sentence next to each other. I know the whole world suffers from the >perils of terrorism, Bottom line is that our country decided to >spearhead a coalition of forces to seek >it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of >occurring in the future. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:49:39 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war, war, war Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_lOlspXKqieHapTQXg6uurQ) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-199C642; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Where's your proof, big guy? Since you are so emotional about it, bordering on irrational, show me proof that this is all about economics. Come on. I dare you. At 08:42 PM 3/22/2003, you wrote: >Wow, it seems some of you americans actually BELIEVE all that crap! >Tell you what: The rest of the world doesn't. Your country didn't >decide to spearhead anything, because these wars are not about >terrorism. They are about the economic interests of a few. Terrorism >is just the perfect excuse to justify this blatant expansionist >agression in front of the american public opinion. And it seems so >far, it is working very well. > >BTW, do you know who put Saddam in power? The US. You know who put >the Taliban in power? The US. You know who created Osama Bin Laden? >The US. Don't come tell me now you are trying to free the world of >them. There are many more extremist dictatorships responsible of >state terrorism in the world. Most of them happen to be sponsored by >the US government (for example Pakistan, or Kuwait). And tell me, why >doesn't the US attack Israel? After all they are invading Palestine >(sp?), a soberan country. > > >Andreas, are we to take your comment > >about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country > >actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does > >the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you? > >So you recognize you are living under "Big Brother"-like government >control, and you are happy about it? You've got problems. > >Excuse the harshness of this message, but these are harsh times. I >wish, I really wish I could refrain myself of using the Ytsejam to >discuss non-DT things. But I can't. This issue touches me way too >deeply to just leave these kind of comments unanswered. > >- Edu > > >when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN, > >but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He > >should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't > >make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but > >I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed > >from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame > >war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same > >sentence next to each other. I know the whole world suffers from the > >perils of terrorism, Bottom line is that our country decided to > >spearhead a coalition of forces to seek > >it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of > >occurring in the future. -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: email_address_removed Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com Personal web site: http://www.damonfibraio.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com "Celebrate the moment, As it turns into one more Another chance at victory, Another chance to score The measure of the moment, Is a difference of degree Just one little victory, A spirit breaking free One little victory"--Neil Peart of Rush "Seize the day, and don't you cry, now it's time to say goodbye Even though, I'll be gone, I will live on."--Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons --Boundary_(ID_lOlspXKqieHapTQXg6uurQ)-- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6497 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === More information at: http://www.dreamt.org/local/ytsejam.php === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===