YTSEJAM Digest 6434 Today's Topics: 1) RE: DTIFC CD? by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 2) RE: Iced Earth / Spawn by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 3) Re:Iced Earth/Spawn by "Robert Newcomb" 4) Fan Club CD by "Dan Russell" 5) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation by Ilia 6) Membership by "Jason L. Gelnett" 7) RE: Membership by "HJ Rivera" 8) Disappear by "Antony Gelberg" 9) Re: Growl Vox by Ilia 10) Re: Blind vs. deaf by Ilia 11) Re: Disappear by Mike Shetzer 12) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation by Mike Shetzer 13) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation by Michael & Pamela Nazer 14) Re[6]: Opeth Damnation by Graham Boyle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:22:23 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: DTIFC CD? Message-ID: Yep. Not a bad way to spend 25 dollars, eh? Good stuff. It's nice for newer fans to get their hands on some rare tracks, such as version ONE of ACOS with Kevin on keys. -----Original Message----- From: Mariano Gil [mailto:email_address_removed Chad, I've just received it!!! Really cool!! This is the first fanzine I get and I'm impressed, lots of photos from the tour, really good quality and an incredibly good CD. I'm glad I finally joined the DTIFC! NP: TAKE THE TIME!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:24:23 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Iced Earth / Spawn Message-ID: Just a personal opinion here, but Spawn was one of only two movies I have ever walked out of at the theater. I think the other movie was "dark city" or something there abouts. Mileage will vary! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Peterson [mailto:email_address_removed Quick question of opinion... The Iced Earth Album, "The Dark Saga" (1996) is a stunning musical and lyrical tribute to the story of "Spawn" of comic-book and movie fame. It's a really cool, dark tale actually and the album compliments the movie nicely. Now given that, should I decide to have a friend of mine enjoy a "Spawn" night with me, should the album come before or after the movie? Any opinions are welcome! - Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:51:29 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" To: Subject: Re:Iced Earth/Spawn Message-ID: <000b01c2bd6e$c3f10500$message_id_removed> Dave wrote: >Quick question of opinion... >The Iced Earth Album, "The Dark Saga" (1996) is a stunning >musical and lyrical >tribute to the story of "Spawn" of comic-book and movie fame. It's a >really >cool, dark tale actually and the album compliments the movie nicely. >Now given that, should I decide to have a friend of mine enjoy a >"Spawn" night >with me, should the album come before or after the movie? >Any opinions are welcome! >- Dave Dave, I would drive by your local comic book store and pick up a trade paperback on Spawn first. Or rent the HBO cartoon first to watch. I think that this would be a far better intro for a "Spawn Night" The movie they made of it is absolutely horrible. Don't waste your money. As for the Iced Earth album , "The Dark Saga", I wouldn't let that be the introduction into Spawn. It seems to hang people up on the Satanic thing IMHO. Thorin ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:27:40 -0500 From: "Dan Russell" To: Subject: Fan Club CD Message-ID: <000001c2bd73$cfae71c0$message_id_removed> gang, I forgot to renew!!!! Is it to late to still renew and receive the cd? I have been a member since the clubs beginning. Please if anyone knows please let me know. Thanks. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: --- Graham Boyle wrote: > > Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the > ridiculous > 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music. > > Thank you very much. > Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster vocals". - Ilia. ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:59:21 -0500 From: "Jason L. Gelnett" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Membership Message-ID: How do I know if my membership for the fan club has run out. I can't remember when I joined, and I don't want to miss out on the CD. Anyway, any idea as to who I should ask, or how to check?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:21:16 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: RE: Membership Message-ID: Email email_address_removed -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Jason L. Gelnett Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Membership How do I know if my membership for the fan club has run out. I can't remember when I joined, and I don't want to miss out on the CD. Anyway, any idea as to who I should ask, or how to check?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:26:43 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" To: Subject: Disappear Message-ID: <002f01c2bd95$35b64670$6300a8c0@PULSEDESKTOP> Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-) Tony ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Growl Vox Message-ID: Bel canto voice training allows singing and growling without any risk of damage to vocal chords. Absolutely anyone can be trained to do either, using that technique - fact of human anatomy. People like LaBrie, Tate, et al, do not, at least not 100% so, and not 100% of the time - they mainly rely on the flexibility of the muscles in their throat, and perform exercises to improve that (Eric, correct me if I'm off on this). I have yet to hear Opeth, but I know there are a few death metal bands out there who have had proper classical training (bel canto, in the tradition of Bach, Mozart, etc). Then again, properly using register cavities for voice projection (without risk of damage), requires tuning all instruments to middle C at 256 (A=432). I think that makes "standard" Eb tuning too low, and E tuning to high. - Ilia. --- Eric George wrote: > > i don't know how many people on the jam have taken quite a few > years to > study voice, but being one of them, i'll add my bit. the > growling vocals. > an acquired taste?? yes. not everyone can do them?? true. > takes a > certain ammount of know-how to pull them off?? absolutely. > takes the > same ammount of talent, training, and finesse as James Labrie, > Geoff Tate, > Jon Anderson, Steve Perry, or even David Coverdale?? not even > close. > i've spent a lot of time within both genres (clean vox & > growling vox), > and from an unbiased musician who's studied voice & singing, > one of the > most important aspects of "cookie monster" (for you graham) is > an > endorsement from Ludens, Sucrets, or some other cough drops > manufacturer. > the essentials of clean singing (i.e.- inflection, phrasing, > pitch, > timbre) are just not in the picture here. you need to worry > about not > passing out & not shredding your vocal cords. that's about > it. but to > sing like the other aforementioned vocalist requires LOTS of > formal > training, unless you were born with a rare gift. does that > discredit the > validity of growling vocals?? hell no. but should they be > placed in even > the same ballpark when it comes to the level of talent between > the two > styles?? again, hell no. that's my bit. adios. > > eric > ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Blind vs. deaf Message-ID: Can our power of human reason allow us to continue with eyesight lost, in a similar fashion as we have in the past? I know that people who can't see from birth or shortly after get on amazingly well, but what about losing sight in mid-life? And how it comes is a question too, whether gradually or immediately. That's probably a factor too. Saw this great movie, Dancer In The Dark, highly recommended. This whole debate kinda makes me wonder what it's like to be Jason Becker. Seeing and hearing, yes... but not anything else. Best way to get to know oneself, that's for sure. - Ilia. --- "Alexis, Axel, Tony" wrote: > I think the whole blind vs. deaf debate is all a matter of > what your > priorities are in life. I mean, the things I can only do by > having the > sense of vision are certainly more important for me than the > things I can > only do if I can hear. It's all a matter of putting things on > a balance and > seeing what the end result would be. Oh, and Damon, when I > said that I need > my vision to surf, I meant practicing the sport of surfing, on > waves in the > ocean. I wasn't referring to surfing the web. Sorry about > that. Bye! > > Alexis > ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:47 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Disappear Message-ID: <004201c2bdb5$57b95850$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_4DMdU0pwrZL8VXq/NNM0uw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have taste! I swear! However, I found that disappear was (flame wars will begin here probably) Jordan's way of trying to sound like Kevin. While I think he made a great song, the song doesn't sound like Jordan... I agree that the emotional level is very high on that song. It has such a sad melody, and one of the best little bridge parts ever (the "I gave you my hand, said it's okay..." part) =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Antony Gelberg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Disappear Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-) Tony --Boundary_(ID_4DMdU0pwrZL8VXq/NNM0uw) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:34 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <006001c2bdb5$bb55fc60$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_JfpQC/MIoX2Mkt7TFIrHzw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Darnit... listen to some Opeth tracks to cure your curiosity instead of looking to us for answers. :) On another note, what's an Opeth anyway? Besides trying to say "opus" when you're less than 6 years old, that is... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ilia To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation --- Graham Boyle wrote: > > Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the > ridiculous > 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music. > > Thank you very much. > Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster vocals". - Ilia. === Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_JfpQC/MIoX2Mkt7TFIrHzw) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:01:33 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer To: Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: on 1/16/03 11:59 AM, Ilia at email_address_removed wrote: > > Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I > still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster > vocals". > > - Ilia. > > > === > Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. > --- Wernher Von Braun > Early The Gathering would be a good example.....the disc Always has almost all Cookie Monster vocals on it. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:00:15 +0000 From: Graham Boyle To: Mike Shetzer Subject: Re[6]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: MS> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I MS> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster MS> vocals". There is no such thing as cookie monster vocals. When I asked Jan-Michael Souter to name the band(s) that he claims had a singer who sung like this he didn't answer, so obviously he dosen't have one. The type of vocals used in extreme metal are most commonly know as 'growling', or in black metal, 'shrieking', or even 'screaming' in some bands. Try doing it yourself, it isn't that easy. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:email_address_removed.co.uk ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6434 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===