YTSEJAM Digest 6357 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Bush and stuff, plus some list-related content by Ilia 2) Re: Re:tool by Ilia 3) Re: DT covering number of the beast by "Desjardijn, Roene" 4) Re: DT covering number of the beast by "Antony Gelberg" 5) Re: Economy by email_address_removed (Steve Chew) 6) DD / Guillory by Mike Shetzer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Bush and stuff, plus some list-related content Message-ID: OK, I hope this will be my last post on politics/economics/etc. I should probably go listen to some music or something... --- Stephen Gervois wrote: > Here's what the general opinion is from Europe and Asia: > We don't know what he's done in internal affaires in America, > but from the exterior Bush is thrashing the american image and > even worse the relations with long term allies. Not anti- > american at all => anti-bush. From what I've heard (I haven't been to Europe myself in a while), the general view of America by the Europeans is in its nature that of disdain. Not admiration, as most Americans like to think, not fear and awe. I think it's time that we realized that misapplication of Darwinian theory leads to nothing. Yeah, we can be the fittest (at this time America isn't, but it could be), doesn't make it the smartest. The nature of human beings is proper application of force, not brute, and this goes in all senses, from most literal to most abstract. > Ah what the hell, here's my opinion for what it's worth: I > personaly don't like Bush at all, and I don't think he will > ever be good at politics. It's all too obvious and DANGEROUS > wanting to go to Irak to get the Dow-Jones up again! Dow Jones is not going to go up. If we fight against Iraq, it'll plunge. Perhaps not at first, when the idiots will say "We're in war, that makes the stock market go up right?" and they'll invest. Once it's obvious that there is no productive capacity backing the market, it will be on its way down for sure. War is a sure-fire way to demostrate that. I mean, answer this simple question: soldiers need roughly 5000 calories a day, who is going to supply them? How long can they? > OK I've said it, > Flame me people, but before answering remember 2 things: > -I don't want to get into a political debate > -We are ALL influenced by propoganda I don't think propaganda is always bad, necessarily. All the term really means, to me, is statement of opinion as fact without supporting it with information (proof surrogate). Doesn't mean it's not accurate, it's just faith-based. I doubt anyone on the list wants to go into a debate about faith, because we'll never see the end of that. OK, now let me quickly jump the subject to music. I recently got several CDs about which I wanted to be heard. First, Rudess's Feeding the Wheel. I think that particular recording demonstrates not only his keyboard prowess, but also his incredible imagination in composition and arrangement. It seems like the whole CD is based on several themes that are reworked in different styles with variations (some heavier than others). It's classical composition with a touch of romanticism added to its sound, with jazzy arrangements as the elements of the composition. I think it's brilliant. Not to mention, the musicianship of the contributing performers is stellar. I also got SyX Live on the Edge of Forever. Overall, a decent release, I greatly enjoyed listening to it. The production, IMO, could have used a little something extra, in terms of levels particularly. The guitar at times sounds muddy, was one of the things I noticed. The main reason I bought the CD was to hear the vocals, since I've never seen SyX live, and to me it didn't seem like the recording captures Allen's energy on stage (from some of the reviews I've read of their shows, there's gotta be more to him than what's heard on this live release). Nonetheless, I found the CD overall impressive, capturing a rather wide range of SyX material too. Worth checking out. Another one I recently acquired was Planet X Moon babies, and let me tell you, that's some good stuff. They play polyrhythms so good, you can band your head to it. This is the first of Planet X that I've heard, and I will have to say that DS found a good partner in Donati. Again, not only the musicianship is incredible, but the composition is as well. It has always amazed me about bands like these how they put that stuff together. I'm going to see them live at Jaxx on Nov. 25, anyone else? That'd be all. Later, - Ilia. ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:30:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re:tool Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kurt Hampton" > > I know the pieces fit. > > I know the pieces fit. > > I know the pieces fit. etc. etc. I don't understand why people keep judging {music} by the {lyrics} that go with it. I really don't think that lyrics can be considered music, they are definitely in a realm by themselves. True, they can convey ideas that correspond to the emotion that music begets, but in the classical sense, musical motion is about the change in each individual voice as it relates to other voices, and not the emotion that the particular sound begets. It has little to do with lyrics in and of itself, to begin with. I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't say a band sucks solely because of its lyrics, because a band should be primarily about music, particularly a band that even hints at prog rock or a style of similar complexity. (And in case you think that the band sucks because of more than just its lyrics, then please help us understand your frustration with them by pointing to what you mean.) Peace, - Ilia. ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:48:40 +0100 From: "Desjardijn, Roene" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Re: DT covering number of the beast Message-ID: >I know this has been asked before but I'll ask it again. Does anyone know where I could >download this (like I was able to with the Barcelona MOP show)? I don't know about a link where you can download the show, but I do know that the show in Paris was recorded by the band. Th ey even played the song Gangland twice, because something went rong the first time. I also don't know when it will be released, but I gues it will be (maybe as the new christmas cd?) Roene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:42:38 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" To: Subject: Re: DT covering number of the beast Message-ID: <000101c27e61$514e5210$0900a8c0@Loanprocessing.co.uk> > I'm guessing there's recording's of the shows, but I think the tapers are > holding on to them a little longer than they did with the MoP > recordings...perhaps to remaster them? There is an MP3 up on the French DT > Fan Club website of DT performing "Your Majesty" so I know a recording of > the first Paris gig exists...dunno abooot the others. I have a recording of both London nights. It takes a while to go through so much material, split the songs, and record it onto CD. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Economy Message-ID: >Subject: Re: Economics (NDTC at all) > >First of all, why by the end of the year, or shortly after? >Because that's when most of the financial institutions draw >bottom lines. Also, spending season will be in full force, and >for financial aggregates, that just might be the straw that >breaks the camel's back, considering the sizes of the >speculative bubbles. Stuff like that. > I've deleted the details about the current situation, which were informative. Thanks. At one point you say that other people think we may enter "a new dark age." Is this your feeling as well? If so, what do you see happening at the end of the year to mark it? Or, is it a gradual worsening of current conditions? You say that we have to revamp the current system. How can we solve these systemic problems you mention? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:24:46 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer To: ytsejam newsletter Subject: DD / Guillory Message-ID: <001901c27ed0$d22f7ca0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ> --Boundary_(ID_hqx2+1pLVlWhdCDlUO0kOw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello everyone. I've been meaning to ask this ever since I came across the lovely "Manifesto For Futurism" by a Magna Carta prog band called Dali's Dilemma. Where have they been lately? If I'm not mistaken it has been at least 2 years or so since they released that album, and since then Matt Guillory (keys) has appeared on many Magna Carta releases, like Mullmuzzler, Explorers Club 1, some tributes, etc. But recently it seems Guillory has disappeared, and DD hasn't given any word at all on a new release. I personally found MfF to be a great album, reminiscent to DT at times, with even some underlying U2 influences in there. Anyone have any word on this shadow of a band that once was, or at least their keyboardist? m.S --Boundary_(ID_hqx2+1pLVlWhdCDlUO0kOw) ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6357 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===