YTSEJAM Digest 6350 Today's Topics: 1) Re:last jam by Kurt Hampton 2) other one liners from my mom. by email_address_removed 3) RE: re: PHISH by Ilia 4) Re:last jam by WB Henderson 5) RE: re: PHISH by Craig Maloney 6) Phish Replies! A good ol' flame war!!! by "Stephen Gervois" 7) flaming is fun by "Robert B. Wells" 8) Another virus??? Details: Mirjam Biemans email_address_removed - W9X -650.ZIP.scr by "Costello, Daniel J" 9) RE: new timers/one liners by "Souter, Jan-Michael" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:27:30 GMT From: Kurt Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:last jam Message-ID: Why do you think they call it stoner rock, cause youve gotta be stoned to enjoy it! HAHAHA! That's been the stereotype about those bands, im all about stereotypes, right now i have a kenwood. Opeth does kick ass, Morningrise is great, cant wait for the new one. Kurt ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: other one liners from my mom. Message-ID: since Rick for whatever reason chose to mention my Mom, I thought I'd share some more of her one liners in the form of a top ten list...... 10--" Just as sure as there's a "heffer" in Texas" 9-- " ...so...." 8 -- "turn that down !!" 7 -- " as sure as God made little green apples" 6 -- " knock you out " 5 -- " are you smoking in there? " 4 -- " and your point is ?" 3 -- " life is like a box of chocolates " 2 -- " I have a headache " according to my Dad any way... ... and the number 1 One liner from my Mom 1 -- Just what on God's green earth IS an "Ytsejam" anyway??" My Top 5 one liners are.... 5 -- " Good one " 4 -- " and how is your mother? " 3 -- " nothing personal " 2 -- " turn that up " 1 -- " PEACE " Billy np Type O Negative -- October Rust ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: re: PHISH Message-ID: --- Chris Calabrese wrote: > being a hippie was a movement in political and somewhat > musical history. "Being a hippie" was a product of the circles of Bertrand Russell and H.G. Wells. The whole counter-culture, baby boomer, post WWII U.S. was a way of keeping people's minds off of the pressing questions that got resolved in favor of oligarchists, fascists, and utopians without anyone noticing, or even if noticing, without understanding it. Seemingly it worked - you, among others, seem to focus on the "political and 'somewhat' musical history" of the time period. > But these people who go to their shows all dress the same and > act the same and go totally against the idea of > individuality. And most of these people are so closed-minded > and come from rich backgrounds and have no real dose of > reality at all. They're 40 years too late and are trying to > look for something to grab on to in life so they go on Phish > tour (pick a better band please) and claim to be so peaceful > and open minded but in reality they become anything but that. Well, two things. First of all, as I already mentioned, it's a cultural mindset, to get people away from classical form, of education to begin with, and of manner of thought throughout their age, for a culture of "go along to get along." It's ridiculous, I'll agree, but it has nothing to do with these people's individuality. Second of all, just because you're an individual, a sovereign mind if you will, does that mean that your tastes cannot coincide with someone else's? As tasteless as the tastes may be, it doesn't seem improbable that a couple of thousand people that all like something and come out together to enjoy it. The taste itself is a secondary matter. I mean, I'm sure you have been to DT and other prog rock shows, the variety of individuals in attendance is mind-blowing - people from all walks of life. A lot of them wear DT shirts. Analogous, no less. Some people will say, similarly to how you said regarding Phish, "Who'd want to listen to the fucked-up scales in weird time signatures really fast?" "Who wants to hear songs with such complex structure?" "It's so heavy, all it boils down to is noise." All it is, matter of taste and preference. My main point here is that people who emerged from the 60s were brainwashed to think they're individuals making free choices. They didn't choose shit - just one or two things from the plate someone stuck in front of their noses. > They WISH that the country could be going through some rough > times again like CIVIL RIGHTS or VIETNAM, just so they feel > like they can have some sort of purpose. Nowadays we have to > deal with the arrogant extremist Bush Administration > fundamentals...but it's no reason to become a hippie! Once again, they've done well to divert your attention from what's really going on. The economic conditions in the world are abominable, and that's really the biggest issue behind everything. The virtual disintegration of Argentina, Brazil, Italy, and several others, shows that the IMF system is painfully obviously flawed, the floating-rate exchange standard of the Nixon (or, should I say, the Kissinger) administration is going nowhere, and the New Economy is dead. Our culture right now will not allow us to build our way out of the depression like we did in World War II, yet the depression is pretty inevitable. And if Bush is allowed to continue, and let the U.S. economy go under, we're in for Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, and soon after a new dark age. And you say there's nothing to fight for? There's a lot more to politics than war. > And I have no problem with drugs...and drugs shouldn't even be > brought into it. Drugs didn't make them stupid. They were > stupid in the first place. Fully agree. On one last final note, I didn't really get what people hate about Phish so much. I mean, granted they could use a lot of help, but just because there's only one chord, doesn't mean there isn't melody on top of it. I'm by no means defending Phish, don't get me wrong. It's just that the way I've always looked at it is, let them do their thing. Perhaps it's not the drugs, but the combination of drugs and one-chord 46-minute jams that made them stupid... who knows. Anyway, just felt like I needed to say something, that's all. - Ilia. ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:21:08 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:last jam Message-ID: >Why do you think they call it stoner rock, cause youve gotta be stoned to >enjoy it! Hate to nitpick (alright, I don't), but Phish/Disco Biscuits/Grateful Dead/etc ain't stoner rock. Stoner rock, aka stoner metal, is fuzzed out heavy rock like Fu Manchu, Monster Magnet, and Kyuss. Jam rock's the label you're looking for. Brian ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed (or, if you prefer / that email_address_removed) ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:54:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Maloney To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: re: PHISH Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Chris Calabrese wrote: > And jam rock isn't the road to go down. If you wanna listen to some good > shit to get stoned to, pick up some Miles Davis or John Coltrane or Charles > Mingus as far as instrumental music goes and STICK YOUR PHISH CD WHERE IT > BELONGS - IN YOUR MICROAVE! I know it's easy to judge musicians by their fans, but Phish (and Ozric Tentacles and even the Dead) aren't their fans. They just happen to get lots of hippie-wanna-be attention. I'm sure they say the same thing about Dream Theater being musical snobs. I'm sure DT aren't snobs, but some of their fans come off that way. The same with "The Cure". I like the music of "The Cure" (even if Robert Smith comes off as an arrogant SOB sometimes), but their fans drive me insane. Phish is a very talented bunch of musicians. Trey Anastasio on Oysterhead is incredible. Junta is a fabulous record. I'm not criticizing your opinion; I'm just hoping you're not missing out on some fantastic music just because of some rock groups overzealous fans. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (email_address_removed) http://ic.net/~craig Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 06:50:40 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: Phish Replies! A good ol' flame war!!! Message-ID: <008c01c278bd$683bd960$3cff9f0a@pc0099> I DO NOT AGREE ! ACBLF ps : but I won't say who to ;) it usually get's both sides goin again ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:33:25 -0700 From: "Robert B. Wells" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: flaming is fun Message-ID: Hey, can I be in the flame war, too? OK, here goes nothing: All you people who wrote about phish are really stupid and I hate you. I hope you all die horrible screaming deaths. I listen to Rammstein and Hank Williams and nothing else. Anyone who listens to anything else sucks. Eat bloody death chunks. Especially people who encourage us to have open minds. You suck even more bloody death chunks. How was that? I know I should have made more typos and used more improper grammar, but this is my first flame war. I promise I'll get better. P.S. Wow, I got 3 peppers from Eudora. I'm a real flamer! -- Robert B. Wells email_address_removed 512.***.**** that which does not kill us only serves to make us stranger, even Rammstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:45:19 -0400 From: "Costello, Daniel J" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Another virus??? Details: Mirjam Biemans email_address_removed - W9X -650.ZIP.scr Message-ID: Howdy all, I just received another virus here at work, and I'm wondering if maybe it came from someone on the jam, since this is about the only mailing list to which I've given my e-mail address at work. I don't think this was the BugBear virus, though. This one had an attachment called "W9X-650.ZIP.scr" and was sent from "Mirjam Biemans email_address_removed" Any of this sound/look familiar to anybody? -Dan. ----------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Costello Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin NE & SS PO Box 4840, EP6 - Room 201 Syracuse, NY 13221 Phone: (315) 456-1152 Email: email_address_removed "Dance like it hurts. Love like you need money. Work when people are watching." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:33:25 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: new timers/one liners Message-ID: DoH !! :-> http://www.symptomaticband.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Audet [mailto:email_address_removed On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 email_address_removed wrote: > sometimes new timers post one liners too,,,,, Sometimes YOUR MOM posts one-liners too. I think. (webtv is still around? wtf?) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6350 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===