YTSEJAM Digest 6329 Today's Topics: 1) Re:Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t by Ilia 2) Re:Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t by Andrew Coutermarsh 3) Re: Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t by Wrath 4) Re: Suggestions by "Niall Connaughton" 5) Show at Monpellier changed to Paris by "Stephen Gervois" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t Message-ID: > Keven Shirley ruined SDOIT, IMHO. That was self-produced wasn't it? Regardless, I'll concur that the dynamics, and even mixing levels in several places, could've used some help. - Ilia ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Ilia wrote: > > Keven Shirley ruined SDOIT, IMHO. > > That was self-produced wasn't it? Regardless, I'll concur that the > dynamics, and even mixing levels in several places, could've used some > help. Yes, it was self-produced, but it was mixed by The Caveman. I feel that his mixes continue to get worse and worse, muddier and muddier. DT needs to go with someone who can give them what they need: more definition in their sound. The LTE albums sounded pretty good with Shirley's mixing, mainly because they were a more "raw" sounding band and thus the "raw" sounding mix worked pretty well for them. But Dream Theater is a much more refined sound, and Shirley can't give them that sound. There needs to be an aural space for each instrument, so you can hear each individual voice of the band without much difficulty. This is what they had with their first few albums--and Awake is by far the best with this sound--and it's what they need in their sound again. With Shirley's mixes, they sound like a garage band. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://cout.dhs.org/ email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who'll help you move. REAL friends are people who'll help you move BODIES." ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:59:10 -0400 From: Wrath To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vapor Trails sounds like dogsh*t Message-ID: Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: >Yes, it was self-produced, but it was mixed by The Caveman. I feel that >his mixes continue to get worse and worse, muddier and muddier. DT needs >to go with someone who can give them what they need: more definition in >their sound. > > Translation: I wanna do it! Ooh! Ooh! Let me mix DT's albums! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:16:15 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" To: Subject: Re: Suggestions Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:35:17 GMT > From: email_address_removed > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Re: Suggestions > Message-ID: > > My Reccommendations: > > Pain Of Salvation "Remedey Lane" > Soilwork "Natural Born Chaos" > Arch Enemy "Wages of Sin" (if you can stand very rough death > metal vox, the guitar work is unreal) > > Kurt Pain of Salvation is goot! Remedy Lane is great, but so is Concrete Lake and Perfect Element, so toss a few coins or something! Niall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:33:54 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: Show at Monpellier changed to Paris Message-ID: <006001c26842$f78df0c0$3cff9f0a@pc0099> Greetings Jamoids, OK so I ranted a couple of days ago on the cancelling of the Montpellier show. I said that I will not be able to see them this year what with ticket prices ect... at the last minute. Well I cracked, I have to see them it's a drug. I'm not going to let DT's management keep me from seeing DT. /*** Rant ONLINE **/ So : 323 euros plane ticket (near last minute flight for Air France with reduction !!) 34 euros concert ticket. 45 euros cheep Paris hotel for the night This equals 402 euros (the same in dollars). At Montpellier it would have cost me : 29 euros concert ticket. ~15 euros gas for the car No hotel. equals 44 euros. I'm paying 9 times more and will be eating dry speghetti for the next 3 months but what the fuck I love DT. /*** Rant OFFLINE **/ See ye A carbon based life-form. "When you see what we have done to the world, we should cry at the birth of a man and rejoice at his death" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6329 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===