YTSEJAM Digest 6292 Today's Topics: 1) DT FAQ updated by "Brad Dixon" 2) GeForce 4 by "Costello, Daniel J" 3) Re: GeForce 4 by "Dr. Mosh" 4) Re: Infinity Minus One by email_address_removed 5) Re: GeForce 4 by Andrew Coutermarsh 6) Re: puter question by "Mike Shetzer" 7) Richie Kotzen reminder by email_address_removed 8) Re: Chroma Key recommendation? by Miguel Farah 9) Re: Fozzy by email_address_removed 10) Re: Fozzy by WB Henderson 11) Re: Chroma Key recommendation? by "Rob P" 12) Re: Chroma Key recommendation? by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" 13) Re: Fozzy by Eric George 14) Re: Chroma Key recommendation? by Eric George 15) Re: Fozzy by Peter Geerts 16) Re: Chroma Key recommendation? by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" 17) "Classic Albums" / OSI by "Brian Thomson" 18) Quick reviews: Planet X, Fredrick Thordendal by Alexis Ramos 19) RE: Fozzy by "Todd O. Klindt" 20) RE: Radiohead by "HJ Rivera" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:08:32 +1000 From: "Brad Dixon" To: Subject: DT FAQ updated Message-ID: <007101c24863$d68b22c0$message_id_removed.au> Greetings all, Just a quick note to let everyone know that the official DT Frequently Asked Questions has been re-designed and updated. Check it out @ http://www.dtfaq.com/ Thanks, Brad Dixon - DTFAQ.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:25:21 -0400 From: "Costello, Daniel J" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: GeForce 4 Message-ID: >The GeForce2 is a card that requires you to have extra CPU power in order to >work at high speeds, Eh, doesn't it actually depend more on how the game software was written? The card is designed to accelerate certain functionality, but if the software doesn't take advantage of that, obviously the card isn't going to make much difference. Isn't Unreal Tournament rather cpu heavy, while Quake 3 relies much more on the graphics card? -Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:32:15 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: GeForce 4 Message-ID: Actually, it's all texture to ram and vise versa transfers... the more powerful a GPU you have, like the GeForce 4, if you have a crappy processor like a Celeron 400, your CPU becomes the bottleneck for the GPU. Especially the 66mhz RAM bus... it's slow. Unreal Tournament 2003 moves larger textures than Quake 3, and more of them that's why your CPU can become the bottleneck. If the game uses more CPU based calculations instead of GPU hardware features, then yes, it will tax the CPU harder, but that's typically bad game design. As far as Geforce 4 ti 4200,4400 or 4600, that's more a money issue I would say... what is your budget, how much you want to spend?? They all can be overclocked, the 4200 and 4400 can be overclocked to reach the BASE speeds of the higher end model, so the 4200 can be overclocked to 4400 speeds (although not as well) as the 4400 can be overclocked to 4600 speeds. The 4600 can be overclocked but not as much as the 4400, so if you are a tweaker the 4400 would be your best bang for the buck. -The Doc Signal received 0. "Costello, Daniel J" said: > > >The GeForce2 is a card that requires you to have extra CPU power in order > to > >work at high speeds, > > Eh, doesn't it actually depend more on how the game software was written? > The card is designed to accelerate certain functionality, but if the > software doesn't take advantage of that, obviously the card isn't going to > make much difference. Isn't Unreal Tournament rather cpu heavy, while Quake > 3 relies much more on the graphics card? > > -Dan. -- -------------- http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:38:46 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Infinity Minus One Message-ID: --part1_139.131ecd3a.2a93d8a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Infinity Minus One is a grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat band!!!!! Hey Kevin - I love the new recordings! Sean - Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult www.mp3.com/R__Sean_Faust Currently performing with: Slippery When Wet - The Ultimate Bon Jovi Tribute Neil Rambaldi Erotomania - The Dream Theater Experience Proudly Sponsored By: Hard Progressive Radio (www.hardprogradio.com) American-One Productions Music Facility (www.americanoneproductions.com) Synergy Recording Studios/ JLS Media (www.synergynj.com) --part1_139.131ecd3a.2a93d8a6_boundary ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: GeForce 4 Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Costello, Daniel J wrote: > > > The GeForce2 is a card that requires you to have extra CPU power in > > order to work at high speeds, > > Eh, doesn't it actually depend more on how the game software was > written? The card is designed to accelerate certain functionality, but > if the software doesn't take advantage of that, obviously the card isn't > going to make much difference. Isn't Unreal Tournament rather cpu heavy, > while Quake 3 relies much more on the graphics card? Actually, no. As long as it's written with a Direct3D or OpenGL API, then it uses whatever the card was built to do. The GeForce line of cards is able to achieve its great speeds simply because it uses added power from the CPU to boost its GPU's processing. So therefore, if you don't have the extra CPU cycles, then you can't get that added processing power. NVidia is currently working on a way to bypass this by creating its own motherboard with a GPU booster built right in. This way, no matter what processor you have, you can have those incredibly high framerates at high resolutions without worrying about its cost on your processing time. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh - http://cout.dhs.org/ email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------- Procrastinators UNITE... tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:49:02 -0400 From: "Mike Shetzer" To: Subject: Re: puter question Message-ID: <006701c24871$deebe0e0$ece0ca18@user> My processor and mother board are only a year old, I'm not replacing them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Re: puter question > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Shetzer wrote: > > > Hey all. Question for the techies... I'm interested in expanding my > > gaming capabilities for obvious reasons. I have a Geforce 2 MX 400 which > > performs well but obviously is too outdated to play many games at more > > than 8-10 fps. > > The best thing you could do is not to buy a new video card, but upgrade > your motherboard and processor. The GeForce2 is a card that requires you > to have extra CPU power in order to work at high speeds, and if your > processor is spending so much time trying to run the program, there aren't > any cycles left to give to the graphics card. I noticed this happen when > I tried to play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. The funny thing about it > was that I could play the game at ANY resolution or detail depth and the > speed was the same. This showed me that my puny little GeForce2 Pro could > have handled whatever it had had thrown at it, but my CPU was failing to > free itself up for the graphics card. > > I don't think that you would see a HUGE increase in speed--you'd probably > see a slight or perhaps even marginal increase, and it's always a good > idea to keep your hardward updated, but the best thing you could do for > yourself is to upgrade to a stronger processor. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Coutermarsh - http://cout.dhs.org/ > email_address_removed > ------------------------------------------------- > "It isn't pollution that's harming the environ- > ment. It's the impurities in our air and water > that are doing it." > - Dan Quayle > ------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:08:45 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Richie Kotzen reminder Message-ID: Hello all, Just a quick note to remind all you California jammers that my band will be opening up for Richie Kotzen this Friday night (8/23/02) at Paladino's (6101 Reseda Blvd., Tarzana, CA). We still have a few advance tickets for $5 left (which sure beats the $12 at the door). If you're interested, drop me a line at email_address_removed ASAP so we can work something out. Hope to see you all there! Sincerely, Richie Rivera MADISON PAIGE www.madisonpaige.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:37:27 -0400 From: Miguel Farah To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? Message-ID: <20020820203727.A4678@antonia.lj.cl> Widi Persadha [20/08/2002 03:02] dijo/said: > >Hi all! >I need your recomendations on Chroma Key' works >I've read a lot of reviews telling that KevMo's work in Chroma Key is >totally different than the one he did in DT. >So as a new listener to Chroma Key, which cd I should get first? Is it >Dead Air For Radio or You Go Now? I'd go for DAFR first. DO be warned that, as Lisa put it so well, it's very NOT Dream Theater. Imagine _Space Dye Vest_, without all the guitar riffs, and you'll have an idea of what the album is like. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:51:38 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Fozzy Message-ID: That was some weird ass prog. Sounds a little like very early Queensryche. I was not a big fan of the music or of Jericho's singing. Brutal. It was pretty funny to see a 4 guitar/bass guitar band again. See ya, Todd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:24:11 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Fozzy Message-ID: >That was some weird ass prog. Fozzy's pretty far from prog. As far as I know, they only cover popular hard rock / oldschool metal bands like Judas Priest, AC/DC, Motley Crue, etc. The closest they get to progmetal, unless one of the original compositions on the new album is different (haven't heard it), is Maiden. Billy920 -- Fozzy is Stuck Mojo with Jericho taking over vocal duties. Brian [NP...The Abyss -- The Other Side] ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed (or, if you prefer / that email_address_removed) ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:50:49 -0400 From: "Rob P" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? Message-ID: Actually the demo disc is better than either of those. His best work is behind him though. Unless OSI is awesome... >From: Miguel Farah >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:46:37 -0700 (PDT) > > Widi Persadha [20/08/2002 03:02] dijo/said: > > > >Hi all! > >I need your recomendations on Chroma Key' works > >I've read a lot of reviews telling that KevMo's work in Chroma Key is > >totally different than the one he did in DT. > >So as a new listener to Chroma Key, which cd I should get first? Is it > >Dead Air For Radio or You Go Now? > >I'd go for DAFR first. DO be warned that, as Lisa put it so well, it's >very NOT Dream Theater. Imagine _Space Dye Vest_, without all the guitar >riffs, and you'll have an idea of what the album is like. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:56:35 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" To: Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? Message-ID: <000501c248cf$209cc3d0$374c48d8@carlosbook> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob P" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? > Actually the demo disc is better than either of those. His best work is > behind him though. Unless OSI is awesome... > and that is why opinions exist, and none are wrong. ;) To me, DAFR and You go Now are WORLDS above any of his demos... some of the best music ive heard in recent times, right above there with Radiohead in my book! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fozzy Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, WB Henderson wrote: > >That was some weird ass prog. > > Fozzy's pretty far from prog. As far as I know, they only cover popular > hard rock / oldschool metal bands like Judas Priest, AC/DC, Motley Crue, > etc. The closest they get to progmetal, unless one of the original > compositions on the new album is different (haven't heard it), is Maiden. which would draw us right back to the "very early Queensryche" comparison drawn by the previous poster. sorry buddy, but the first few things that Queensryche put out don't quite make the "prog" cut in my book, specifically the EP & The Warning. more like straightforward, hard rock / metal. NOT their best, and deffinetly NOT prog. -eric -- "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me IM screename: Ryften13 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:40:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez wrote: > and that is why opinions exist, and none are wrong. ;) > > To me, DAFR and You go Now are WORLDS above any of his demos... > some of the best music ive heard in recent times, right above there with > Radiohead in my book! very well put carlos, but i need you to help me out with one thing, while we're on the topic of no opinions being wrong. what is it about Radiohead that is the cause of such "what-to-do"??? i never "got" what exactly it was about them that was so phenominal. please, since it sounds like your obviously a fan, don't take this as a slam on the band. rather, i'd love it if you would give some recommendations as to a few good places in their catalog that will show me the "greatness" of this band. if there's something i overlooked during the few times i HAD heard them (very few because i wasn't impressed, but kind of annoyed), then i'd like to know of where better examples of their talent could be found. thanks man, and here's to leaving an open mind. -eric -- "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me IM screename: Ryften13 email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Geerts To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Fozzy Message-ID: Could someone explain me who or wat Fozzy is? I read the article about his appearance at a DT show, which is supposed to be funny, but apparently he's only famous in America... Peter --- Eric George wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, WB Henderson wrote: > > > >That was some weird ass prog. > > > > Fozzy's pretty far from prog. As far as I know, they only cover > popular > > hard rock / oldschool metal bands like Judas Priest, AC/DC, Motley > Crue, > > etc. The closest they get to progmetal, unless one of the original > > compositions on the new album is different (haven't heard it), is > Maiden. > > which would draw us right back to the "very early Queensryche" > comparison > drawn by the previous poster. sorry buddy, but the first few things > that > Queensryche put out don't quite make the "prog" cut in my book, > specifically the EP & The Warning. more like straightforward, hard > rock / > metal. NOT their best, and deffinetly NOT prog. > > -eric > > -- > "The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > > -me > > IM screename: Ryften13 > email_address_removed (text-based email) > email_address_removed -or- > email_address_removed (HTML-based email) > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:34:37 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" To: Subject: Re: Chroma Key recommendation? Message-ID: <001601c24906$bbc645c0$684c48d8@carlosbook> > very well put carlos, but i need you to help me out with one thing, while > we're on the topic of no opinions being wrong. what is it about Radiohead > that is the cause of such "what-to-do"??? i never "got" what exactly it > was about them that was so phenominal. please, since it sounds like your > obviously a fan, don't take this as a slam on the band. rather, i'd love > it if you would give some recommendations as to a few good places in their > catalog that will show me the "greatness" of this band. if there's > something i overlooked during the few times i HAD heard them (very few > because i wasn't impressed, but kind of annoyed), then i'd like to know of > where better examples of their talent could be found. thanks man, and > here's to leaving an open mind. > -eric Which albums have you heard? Their first three albums (Pablo Honey, The Bends, OK Computer) are more straightforward alternative rock while their latest two are more electronic and experimental.. (Kid A and Amnesiac) People usually prefer OK computer as their favorite, but i think that if you enjoyed KM's Chromakey discs, you can start by Kid A....i think thats a good place :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:25:59 +0000 From: "Brian Thomson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Classic Albums" / OSI Message-ID: I previously wrote wondering whether DT might tackle a King Crimson "classic album" in the London Astoria gigs in October. I agree that it's unlikely that DT fans would appreciate "Da Crim", but i think Red would be a good bet, I can point out two major problems with DT covering a Progressive album: 1) the very Englishness of the whole scene. Can you imagine LaBrie trying to do Genesis' "I Know What I Like", or something from Gong? 2) The same problem DT already has: much of the music has long instrumental sections. For example, I was listening to Genesis' "Second Out" last night, which has songs like "Supper's Ready" and "Cinema Show", which have 1-2 minutes of vocals and 10+ minutes of instrumental. Other possibilities for classic progressive albums might include: - Marillion: Misplaced Childhood (not as crazy as it might seem) - Rush: Signals or Power Windows. (esp. PW - fun for all the band, even Jordan) Of course, they're not limited to progressive albums, are they? We've already had Metallica, so how about: - Boston (the first album) - Van Halen: 1984 - Springsteen: Born To Run (NOT "Boring In The USA"!) - Mr. Mister: Welcome To The Real World Nah, too much! About OSI: I'm not sure that people here have noticed the connection between the name "Office of Strategic Influence" and the former US Govt. department "Office of Strategic Services" (OSS). The OSS was, of course, the forerunner of the CIA, and performed that role until the CIA was created in 1947. J Edgar Hoover was not yet involved, thank goodness. More details at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/oss/ , unless you're on their (s)hit list, in that case avoid that site altogether... Cheers, Brian Thomson email_address_removed -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:47:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexis Ramos To: ytsejam Subject: Quick reviews: Planet X, Fredrick Thordendal Message-ID: Hello! The other day I received the following albums, and here's what I think about them so far: Planet X - Moonbabies Simply amazing. Planet X seems to have reached a new level of complexity and VARIETY on this new release. I love Universe, but I have to admit that the songs in that release all sound alike. In this new one, the songs have diversified and what we get is a plethora of fusion, difficult arrangements, and virtuosity from all the players. Donati is f****n unreal. This will definitely be a contender for the best albums of the year. Fredrick Thordendal's Special Defects - Sol Niger Within version 3.33 This is a pretty awesome album as well. Very heavy, and with an excellent mix between very technical thrash metal and fusion. I don't like the raspy witch-like vocals (I thought the album was instrumental when I ordered it), but there's plenty of instrumental passages and the vocals aren't enough to stop me from listening to it. Excellent guitar and drum work. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:59:25 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt" To: Subject: RE: Fozzy Message-ID: <054c01c24912$939268c0$message_id_removed> Check out http://www.fozzyrock.com for their story. Basically it's a Spinal Tap type deal. They are a phony band with a phony story. If I remember correctly, the story goes something like this; in 1981 Fozzy was a fledgling band that couldn't get a contract. They went over to Japan and got stuck in a contract that said they couldn't leave Japan for 20 years. They started recording metal songs while they were there. These songs leaked out and were recorded by other bands like Led Zeppelin. The story goes that Fozzy is actually the creator of Heavy Metal music and many of the classics, but they didn't get credit because they were stuck in Japan. At least that's what I remember. tk -----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Peter Geerts Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fozzy Could someone explain me who or wat Fozzy is? I read the article about his appearance at a DT show, which is supposed to be funny, but apparently he's only famous in America... Peter --- Eric George wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, WB Henderson wrote: > > > >That was some weird ass prog. > > > > Fozzy's pretty far from prog. As far as I know, they only cover > popular > > hard rock / oldschool metal bands like Judas Priest, AC/DC, Motley > Crue, > > etc. The closest they get to progmetal, unless one of the original > > compositions on the new album is different (haven't heard it), is > Maiden. > > which would draw us right back to the "very early Queensryche" > comparison drawn by the previous poster. sorry buddy, but the first > few things that > Queensryche put out don't quite make the "prog" cut in my book, > specifically the EP & The Warning. more like straightforward, hard > rock / > metal. NOT their best, and deffinetly NOT prog. > > -eric > > -- > "The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > > -me > > IM screename: Ryften13 > email_address_removed (text-based email) email_address_removed -or- > email_address_removed (HTML-based email) > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:29 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: RE: Radiohead Message-ID: I'll add a bit to the Radiohead discussion as my initial reaction to them, Eric, was pretty close to yours. They annoyed the hell out of me. I couldn't stand them and thought everyone that liked them must be whiny little bastards like that Thom Yorke dude. :) But then someone left a copy of The Bends on my desk and I ventured with an open mind. A few songs were still whiny, but then "Fake Plastic Trees" started and the melody and melancholy it's soaked in hit me, and I was a fan. I then went to OK Computer and discovered "Exit Music for a Film" and "Karma Police," both of which drew me in further. Then came the electronic albums and I was in deep. The way I experience Radiohead is as this band that manages to create this magnetic fields around their songs. From haunting keyboard passages to glorious reverb and feedback noise to entrancing lyrics, the band simply gets to me. But, I admit they're not for everyone. Still, you should take a good listen to some of their albums before writing them off from a few fleeting listens. joe np. 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