YTSEJAM Digest 6263 Today's Topics: 1) Re: metal on eMpTy V by Scott Hansen 2) Re: Ten bands to rule them all...well, sorta by Jeff Gutenberg 3) Arabesque! (was: Re: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever) by Jeff Gutenberg 4) Ozzy on MTV by "D C" 5) Re: Ozzy by Kurt M Hampton 6) Re: Ozzy by WB Henderson 7) New reviews by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar_Bevolden 8) Michael Kiske by "Alexis Ramos" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:37:48 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: metal on eMpTy V Message-ID: In a mind-blowing e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 7/21/02 9:42 AM, Alexis Ramos thusly spaketh: > Today I was changing channels and stumbled upon, > believe it or not, an Ozzy concert on MTV!!! I think > it can be proclaimed as "official" that metal is back, > now that MTV seems to have decided that fans of this > genre do exist (after ignoring it for sooooo long). I > think it's one thing to have a show that features the > Osbourne family, and another thing to actually play > the music that Ozzy does. The future of metal music > is looking brighter. I'm afraid you're wrong there - the only reason why Ozzy's concert was on TV was because of the success of the Osbourne's TV show. No other reasons why. And even if eMpTy V was to actually start supporting metal again, it certain wouldn't be *good* metal - it would be that trendy nu-metal crap. Hell will freeze over before eMpTy V starts supporting real metal... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:23:45 -0400 From: Jeff Gutenberg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ten bands to rule them all...well, sorta Message-ID: Here's my list of the moment, in alphabetical order: Aghora Arabesque Ark Empty Tremor Planet X Power of Omens Shaman Spiral Architect Superior Threshold Vanden Plas Damn! I know, it's more than ten bands, but that's a pretty potent lineup, wouldn't you say? -- Jeff (proud of himself) :^) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:23:13 -0400 > From: Phil Carter > To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse > Subject: Re: Top Ten Bands if you were putting on a contemporary > Message-ID: <4.1.20020720132023.0097bc40@127.0.0.1> > > Greetings ye 'jamanoids... > > Rick Rosinski remarked: >> Here's another fun list...not necessarily in any particular order: > > How about this list? > > Blind Guardian > Pain of Salvation > Angra > Gamma Ray > Edguy > Threshold > Devin Townsend > Silent Force > Reading Zero > Zero Hour > > Progpower USA 3.0. Coming in November. > > Be there, or be a total loser. :) > > cheers, > Phil > > -- > Phil Carter -- artoo (at) bellsouth (dot) net > http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~artoo > "Without music, life is a journey through a desert." > -- Pat Conroy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:09:09 -0400 > From: "Paul W. Cashman" > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Ten bands to rule them all.....well, sorta > Message-ID: > >> From: Rick Rosinski >> Subject: Top Ten Bands if you were putting on a contemporary >> Prog-Metal Music Festival >> >> Here's another fun list...not necessarily in any particular order: > > Hmm, if money wasn't a problem.... > > Superior > Evergrey (with a real keyboardist :)) > Pain of Salvation > Ayreon/Star One (we'd need a BIIIIG stage) > Dream Theater > Savatage (or Fate's Warning) > Nightwish > Symphony X -or- Devin Townsend > Therion -or- Opeth (depending on how receptive the audience is to more > extreme stuff) > Iron Maiden > > Of course, I'd then have to book a "pre-party" show the night before, > and invite five more bands. :) > > > > > -- > +--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ > | **** NEW email: email_address_removed | > | **** NEW website address: http://home.attbi.com/~pellaz | > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:56:12 -0400 From: Jeff Gutenberg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Arabesque! (was: Re: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever) Message-ID: Arabesque, from Holland, is the best female-fronted prog-metal band I've heard since Nightwish, Edenbridge, and Sinphonia, and I actually like them better than any of those bands. They've actually got TWO excellent female vocalists, a killer guitarist, a fantastic keyboard player who likes to use a lot of piano in addition to the usual organ and synthesizers, and a phenomenal rhythm section. And as if that wasn't enough, they write great songs with memorable vocal melodies. Arabesque is, simply put, of the best bands - period - that I've had the pleasure of hearing in a long time. I can't recommend their brand-new debut album, "The Union," highly enough. You can order it from The Laser's Edge at www.lasercd.com. -- Jeff :^) > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:42:00 -0500 > From: "Jay Omega" > To: > Subject: Re: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever > Message-ID: <002501c22c6a$015b9590$92337a40@Poland> > > TREVOR HOIT asked: >> Anyone heard of Araran or Fatima Hill? How do they compare? >> Some Nightwish-esque bands I think are good(Charisma, Ambeon, >> Edenbridge) other not as good(Rain Fell Within). Any other suggestions? >> >> ps oh yeah I got bored of The Gathering after about 3 of their female >> fronted discs... > > Female-fronted metal bands... the kryptonite of my CD collection. I'm > powerless in their presence. :-) To put some of my comments in > perspective, I agree with what you say above, except I love all of The > Gathering's stuff. > > I haven't heard any Fatima Hill. If you meant "Amaran" for "Araran", > then I can heartily recommend "A World Depraved." (Don't know if > they've got any others or not.) They're more melodic/song-oriented > than most of the female-gothish-metal crowd, so if you like Ambeon and > Edenbridge, I'd say you'd dig them. Amaran's heavier than those two; > like a faster version of The Gathering's Mandylion, or a less-Alice-in- > Chainsy version of Drain STH (ok, maybe not quite that heavy. But > heavy.) > > On to the "other suggestions"... > > By "bored of The Gathering after 3 discs"... do you mean you had just > heard enough and wanted some variety, or that you didn't like their more > recent (less metal, more post-rock/psychy) output? If the basic sound > of HTMaP and ITE didn't bother you (or you like similar bands, like > Persephone's Dream), then you mustmustmust buy "Yaishi" by the band > "Moonlight". I've listened to it at least once a day since I bought it > over > a month ago. Their sound is all over the place; centered on the > standard > goth-metal sound, but mixed with a little Persephone's Dream, a little > "Choirgirl Hotel" period Tori, and even a little Sigur Ros. Wonderful > stuff, > and one of the better singers in the genre. My favorite purchase so far > this year (to tie this into that other thread, kind of... it's actually > 2001 > (c).) > > Since you like the more over-the-top presentation of Nightwish & > Edenbridge, > I'd say you'd really need to check out "Mother Earth" by Within > Temptation. > I have yelled myself hoarse singing along to this on more than one > occasion. > Their singer, Sharon den Adel, was on Ayreon's ItEC as "the Indian". > "Mother > Earth" is all Sharon; their earlier albums are in the so-called > "beauty-and-the- > beast" style of soprano female & death-metal-growling male. > > Very similar in flavor to Within Tempation is another Dutch band called > After > Forever. (AF's closer to Edenbridge, WT's closer to Nightwish). Again, > B&B style, with one female soprano (Floor Jansen, another Ayreon > alumnus) > and two males (credited with "grunts" and "screams" in the liner notes). > They've > got a more operatic/symphonic/progressive approach than most in the > genre. > Both albums are good, but I give a slight edge to the more-recent > "Decipher". > Though Sharon from WT guests on one track on "Prison of Desire," and a > Sharon/Floor duet is a good thing. > > Other must-haves in the genre, in approximate order of awesomeness: > > * The Third and The Mortal - get any of their Kari Rueslatten-led > stuff, but > especially "Tears laid in Earth". Not really similar to anything > mentioned > above. > Lineup is guitar-guitar-guitar-bass-drums-vox; no keys. Norwegian band. > Maybe skip this if you don't like Mandylion; it's kinda trancey/slow > metal > in the > same fashion. > * Lacuna Coil - start with "Unleashed Memories". Get the "special > edition" > that > includes their earlier EP, "Halflife." Maybe skip this one if you don't > like > Mandylion/Nighttime Birds-type The Gathering. Italian band; one track > on > Unleashed Memories/Halflife is in the native tongue. > * Tristania - start with "World of Glass" or "Beyond the Veil". B&B, > but > the > male doesn't annoy me as much as most growlers do. Norwegian band; > heavier stuff again. Lots of string-sound synth work. > * Artrosis - start with "In the Flowers' Shade". Polish band; the > singer's > got > a bit of an accent. Catchy as hell, though. > * On Thorns I Lay - start with "Crystal Tears". Probably the closest to > actual "goth" of the stuff listed; less metal than even Ambeon. > Includes > some > pretty slick viola playing. Greek band. > * Nightsky Bequest - "Keep the Lonely Trees". Musicianship's quite a > bit > better than the rest of the pack; more "prog." Bulgarian band. > * Delight - start with "The Fading Tale". Another Polish band; no silly > accent. > A bit heavier again; lots of keyboard work. Pretty close to the > "average" > sound for the genre. Includes a so-serious-it's-funny goth-metal cover > of > George Michael's "Careless Whisper". > * Chalice - try "An Illusion to the Temporary Real". Two females; one > sings, > the other plays flute. Australian band. > * Theater of Tragedy - try "Aegis". Norwegian B&B-style stuff. > > Hm. No USA'ans. We must suck at this sort of music. Oh well; at least > we can import it. > > Other probably-avoidable stuff in the genre: > > * Sinphonia - Dream Theater clone (?!) with an average female singer. > * Dominion - too much Beast, not enough Beauty. > * Dreams of Sanity - "Komodia" isn't bad, but isn't good. The following > albums go downhill really fast. > * The Sins of Thy Beloved - released on "Napalm Records". B&B > with a pretty obnoxious male singer. OK if you like death/doom stuff, > I suppose. > * Morgana's Kiss - I'm going to sell this disc. Singer sucks eggs > through > a cocktail straw. > > Other female-fronted bands who aren't "goth metal", but who are worth > the effort: > > * Renaissance - Annie Haslam. 'nuff said. Oh, that's not 'nuff? > Sorry. > Romantic-era-classical-influenced prog from the 70's. Great piano work, > bass guitar playing lead (or, at least as much lead as the piano lets > him > have), > acoustic guitar playing rhythm, drums, 80-piece orchestra on all the > "good" > albums, and Annie Haslam, the best vocalist ever. Beautiful folky > voice, > and > a legitimate 5-octave range. One of the few bands for whom a "greatest > hits" collection actually contains really good stuff; I'd start with > the two > "Tales of 1001 Nights" discs. > * Nexus - get "Detras del Umbral". Argentinian band; all vox in > Spanish. > Unabashed "Yes" clone with a great female singer. When she Rrrrolls her > Rrrr's, I melt. > * White Willow - Norse folk-prog band. Quirky and good. Try "Ex > Tenebris" or "Sacrament." Sacrament is one of the discs I use for > showing > off the stereo equipment; immaculate production. > * Therion - not specifically female-fronted. Take one straight-ahead > metal band, remove singer, add 4-male/6-female choir and a chamber > string section. Mentioned here because the song "Clavicula Nox" on > the album "Vovin" is one of the better female-voiced metal tunes out > there. Other stuff on the album is also excellent. > > And that's enough of my babblings for one night. > > --Jay "is buying another handfull of this sort of stuff himself, cuz he > just > --got a promotion at work" Omega > --NP: Delight - The Fading Tale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:56:52 -0400 From: "D C" To: Subject: Ozzy on MTV Message-ID: >Today I was changing channels and stumbled upon, >believe it or not, an Ozzy concert on MTV!!! I think >it can be proclaimed as "official" that metal is back, >now that MTV seems to have decided that fans of this >genre do exist (after ignoring it for sooooo long). I >think it's one thing to have a show that features the >Osbourne family, and another thing to actually play >the music that Ozzy does. The future of metal music >is looking brighter. Forgive me if I'm skeptical, but I believe the main thing driving this is $$$$$. Ozzie runs a festival that showcases a bunch of nu-metal bands who want to get tv/radio time. MTV makes money off that genre, and MTV makes money off Ozzie's family. So they put ozzy on tv to promote their programming and make them more money. -Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:14:01 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Message-ID: <<>>> No this is just MTV cashing in and milking Ozzy for everything he is worth. The Osbournes was the most watched show in cable TV history if I am correct, so they wanna feature him all the time. Metal will be back on MTV when I see videos by these bands who were on the ball all the time: Slayer Sepultura Iron Maiden COC Dream Theater (yes thats where I was introduced, I remember when they premiered LIE) and so on, Fuck MTV. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:36:53 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Message-ID: >The Osbournes was the most watched show in cable TV history if I am correct HBO or one of the other big guns has probably got 'em beat in terms of 'most watched in cable TV history', but I have heard it is the most all-time popular MTV program. Metal, legit metal at any rate, won't come back to MTV. They're a business, and, thinking like a business, they'll favor whatever brings 'em the most money. These days, that's in crap-rock and "teen idols". But it all doesn't really matter -- metal seems to be doing well enough without the support of the media. Brian [NP...Mayhem -- Grand Declaration of War] ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed (or, if you prefer / that email_address_removed) ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:24:26 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar_Bevolden To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar_Bevolden Subject: New reviews Message-ID: <013701c23172$58796a20$0200000a@bear> ProgPower Online has been updated with these new reviews: added 20th of July 2002: Angra - Hunters and Prey Brave - Searching for the Sun Dakrua - Shifting Realities Dead Soul Tribe - Dead Soul Tribe Drakkar - Razorblade God Geoff Tate - Geoff Tate Horizon - The Sky's the Limit Kelly Simonz - Silent Scream Mesmerize - Off the Beaten Path Mind Colour - Mind Colour Morifade - Imaginarium Motorhead - Hammered Nightwish - Century Child Powergod - Nemesis Pretty Maids - Planet Panic Silver Seraph - Silver Seraph Sonata Arctica - Songs of Silence WASP - Dying for the World ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- added 22th of June 2002: 7 Months - 7 Months All That I Bleed - Dying to Remember Ashes to Ashes - Cardinal VII Chinchilla - The Last Millennium Crystal Ball - Virtual Empire Engine - Superholic Halford - Crucible Kotipelto - Waiting for the Dawn Lana Lane - Project Shangri-La Lemur Voice - Divided Manitou - Entrance Manowar - Warriors of the World Sentenced - The Cold White Light Shaman - Ritual Virtuocity - Secret Visions Go to: www.progpower.com Regards, ProgPower Staff ProgPower Online http://www.progpower.com The Reviews and News dept. of ProgPower.com ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:07:51 -0400 From: "Alexis Ramos" To: Subject: Michael Kiske Message-ID: Michael Kiske is, as someone already said, the ex-lead singer of Helloween. He sang in Helloween after Kai Hansen gave up the lead singer role. IMO, he is one of the most incredible singers ever. He has an amazing range, and does not use falsetto to reach the higher notes, so he remains powerful all throughout his range. The vibratto in his voice is simply beautiful. His technique is just perfect. He is the definition of a power metal singer. I can not describe the reason why, but there is just something that separates him from the rest of the singers, no matter how good the are. I think the person that comes the closest to reaching his divinity status is probably Bruce Dickinson (who, by the way, sang impeccably on Iron Maiden's most recent and probably best live recorded performance, Rock in Rio). If you want to listen to Kiske, I suggest you start with Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys pt. 2, which I consider to be the # 1 power metal album of all time, the de! fining moment of the genre, a classic. You could also get Helloween's Pink Bubbles Go Ape, which I consider to be Kiske's best performance, his peak, although this does not mean he has gone downhill since then. Just listen to his performance in Avantasia, his latest contribution, to assure you that he still remains as the leader of the pack. Also, I've heard that he has a new band called In Sense which is supposed to be releasing an album soon. Anybody has any information about this? Alexis ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6263 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===