YTSEJAM Digest 6191 Today's Topics: 1) re: There Goes Tokyo... by Brian Hansen 2) King Crimson by Sum WhiteGuy 3) Re: New band, Winds by email_address_removed (Steve Chew) 4) Re: King Crimson by Michael & Pamela Nazer 5) Dave Schott! Here ye, here ye by "Scott (Virtuality)" 6) Re: King Crimson by "Rob P" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: There Goes Tokyo... Message-ID: "D C" queried: > Who thinks DT should cover "Godzilla" by Blue Oyster Cult? I think that > would rock! Who thinks DT should never cover anyone else's songs? I like that idea. Or maybe they should cover Chop Suey!...can Labrie get the words out fast enough? I bet MP might go for Bounce, if only for the Zappaishness of it... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Sum WhiteGuy To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:59:06 -0400 >From: "Elisa Calimano" >To: >Subject: King Crimson >Message-ID: > > >Hey all!! >I sampled some of king crimson and it sounded very >interesting. So, out >of >all their recordings, which one would you recommend >to start? Can I get >a >description of their eras, etc.? > >Thanks, >Elisa Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest post I have ever submitted to the 'jam..... Seeing as how KC is my favorite band and I have 50+ discs of theirs, and that I got my start from someone on the jam who was kind enough to recommend a starting point.....I figure I'll weigh in on this :-) The short version...start with one of the following (but remember, the different eras sound have different sound): 1) Live in Japan (VHS)/Deja VROOOM(DVD) - Live (this is, in my opinion the best intro to the band) 2)In The Court Of The Crimson King 3)The Night Watch (Live Release) 4)Absent Lovers (Live release) 5) THRAK 6) The ConstruKction of Light read on for more detail...... These eras/groupings are my own Era #1 - 1969/1970 In The Court of The Crimson King In The Wake Of Poseidon Very strong releases. Rock, almost metal with jazz influence. In The Court... is a must have. It was my first purchase, and still gets regular play. Moonchild is a bit iffy, but 21st Century Schizoid Man is a prog classic, Epitaph and the title track are also spectacular. Features Greg Lake on bass and vox on the album and tour just before meeting Keith Emerson to form some other band. In The Wake is a great followup release. Pictures of a City and the title track are fantastic and the Devil's Triangle is a dark, terrifying instrumental. Era #2 - 1970/1971 Lizard This is a kind of blah release. I can't really recommend it. The band was really in a state of transition. By this point only Robert Fripp was the remaining member of the original lineup (unless you count Peter Sinfield who wrote the lyrics). The title track is oneof those long songs and features a guest vocal spot by Jon Anderson. Era #3 - 1971/1972 Islands Yet another transition....different lineup from the previous release. Better music than Lizard, but doesn't contain the edge of the first era. Get later. Era #4 - 1972-1974 Larks Tongues in Aspic Starless & Bible Black Red My favorite era. Fripp scrapped the Islands lineup and started over (again). This is technically 3 lineups as they start as a 5 piece and and as a 3 piece, but it's the same era. Hard, dark, edgy sound. Lots of improvisation live on stage. Started with Fripp (guitar, mellotron), John Wetton (Bass, vocals), David Cross (violin, mellotron), Bill Bruford fresh after recording Close To The Edge with Yes (drums) and Jamie Muir (drums and assorted other items). Personal opinion...this era is best represented on "The Night Watch". A complete concert from 1973. 2 CD, reasonably priced. This is the same show where parts of Starless & Bible Black are from. Does not have Muir as he had left to join a monestary at that point. Then get Larks and Red. You won't really need Starless & Bible Black at that point. Also available from that era is The Grweat Deceiver box set (live from 73/74). Contains LOTS of improvs. Coming soon from the King Crimson Collectors Club (which you no longer have to be a member to purchase from by the way) is the first(?) live performance of the 5 piece band at teh Zoom Club in Germany. If it's the same show I'm thinking of....it contains a 43 minute improvisation. Due out later this month. Oh...and Fripp disbanded the band in 1974. Era #5 - 1981-1984 Discipline Beat Three of a Perfect Pair Fripp reforms KC with Bruford, Tony Levin and Adrian Belew. Discipline is a must have from this era. Beat is pretty good. I hardly listen to Three of a Perfect Pair. An official live release from this lineup is the complete Montreal show from 1985 (the last of that lineup). It's called Absent Lovers and is quite good. They disbanded in 1985 (this is beginning to sound like a Monty Python sketch, isn't it?) Era #6 - 1994-1996 VROOOM (EP) B'BOOM ("official bootleg") THRAK (Full length studio release) THRaKaTTaK (compilation of improvs from the 95 tour). My second favorite era of KC. KC recforms in 1994, with the same lineup as the 80s, plus TRey Gunn on stick (later switching to Warr guitar) and Pat Mastelotto on drums. Called the Double Trio as they have 2 guitarists, 2 stickists, 2 drummers. THRAK is very good, THRaKaTTaK is scary. But one of the best represntations of this era is the "Live in Japan" video from 1995 (available on DVD as "Deja VROOOM"). That is VERY highly recommended. It's a great intro to King Crimson, not just this lineup. Recently released on double CD is VROOOM VROOOM which is 2 disc and taken from 2 shows on the 95/96 tour. Contains the double trio's rendition of 21st Century Schizoid Man (which they had not played since 1974). Transitional Period - The ProjeKcts - 1996-1999 ProjeKct Two - Space Groove The ProjeKcts Box Set After some problems during rehearsals in 97, Fripp, instead of breaking up again, decided to have the band break off into subsets of the double trio and jam in frot of audiences in search of new music. ProjeKct One, for example, consisted of Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Trey Gunn and Robert Fripp and played 4 nights at the Jazz Cafe in London. All improvisation. I like ProjeKct 1 and ProjeKct 4 the best (but you have to get the box set for those CDs). Era #7 - 2000 - Present The ConstruKction of Light Level Five (limited edition EP) Fripp decided to end the ProjecKts and regroup to do the next studio album in late 1999. Bill Bruford was still off with his jazz band, Earthworks and Tony Levin was busy with sessions, collaborations and solo material. So they reformed as a 4 piece (Fripp, Gunn, Belew, Mastelotto). TCoL is a great CD and features a 12 minute wall of sound instrumental that you must hear. Some decry the production as a little dry, but I like the CD a lot. Was listening to it at work today. Highly recommended. There is a 3 cd release from thei TCoL tour called Heavy ConstruKction. Disc 3 is all improvs from that tour. Level Five is an EP that was only available at shows during 2001's Level Five tour and now through their website (www.king-crimson.com). Features live works in progress of songs that will be on their next CD. They are currently in Nashville working on an EP, will tour (possibly with Tool again), and then record a full length CD. At least that's the current plan. Any questions? Jon. email_address_removed NP: "Remedy Lane" by Pain of Salvation __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 02:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: New band, Winds Message-ID: > >it out. Winds--Reflections of the I. It is out on The End Records. It >is the same company that put out one of my favorite records of the year, >Green Carnation -- Light of Day, Day of Darkness. The album is >prog-metal. It is a concept album as far as I can tell. All of the >instrumentation is top notch. The vocalist doesn't have a huge range >but he can sing. One reason I do like the vocals is that they don't >sound wimpy/cheese. There are some interesting elements to their sound. > And of course the obligatory next post: you can find some mp3s at http://www.abrasiverock.com/cdreviews/winds.shtml Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 07:54:08 -0500 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer To: Subject: Re: King Crimson Message-ID: on 5/3/02 8:42 PM, Sum WhiteGuy at email_address_removed wrote: >> Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest > Any questions? > > Jon. Thanks for the recommendations and the history lesson. King C is a band I have not listened to, but your post has me interested. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:21:18 -0400 From: "Scott (Virtuality)" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dave Schott! Here ye, here ye Message-ID: YOU can susbscribe (Damn, I think they need to provide me with a publicity and marketing subsidy, or atleast a royalty, eh?) at their website: http://www.progressionmagazine.com Tell 'em I sentcha. G'day, lad! - Your Friendly Neighborhood Allroundniceguy Scott Mosher - The VIRTUALITY CD http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 14:33:12 -0400 From: "Rob P" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: King Crimson Message-ID: I would recommend just getting the 3 albums from 1972-1974: Larks'; Starless and Red...then get Court. That's a very good start. >From: Sum WhiteGuy >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: King Crimson >Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:42:16 -0700 (PDT) > > >Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:59:06 -0400 > >From: "Elisa Calimano" > >To: > >Subject: King Crimson > >Message-ID: > > > > > >Hey all!! > >I sampled some of king crimson and it sounded very > >interesting. So, out > >of > >all their recordings, which one would you recommend > >to start? Can I get > >a > >description of their eras, etc.? > > > >Thanks, > >Elisa > >Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest >post I have ever submitted to the 'jam..... > >Seeing as how KC is my favorite band and I have 50+ >discs of theirs, and that I got my start from someone >on the jam who was kind enough to recommend a starting >point.....I figure I'll weigh in on this :-) > > >The short version...start with one of the following >(but remember, the different eras sound have different >sound): > >1) Live in Japan (VHS)/Deja VROOOM(DVD) - Live (this >is, in my opinion the best intro to the band) > >2)In The Court Of The Crimson King > >3)The Night Watch (Live Release) > >4)Absent Lovers (Live release) > >5) THRAK > >6) The ConstruKction of Light > >read on for more detail...... > >These eras/groupings are my own > >Era #1 - 1969/1970 >In The Court of The Crimson King >In The Wake Of Poseidon > >Very strong releases. Rock, almost metal with jazz >influence. > >In The Court... is a must have. It was my first >purchase, and still gets regular play. Moonchild is a >bit iffy, but 21st Century Schizoid Man is a prog >classic, Epitaph and the title track are also >spectacular. Features Greg Lake on bass and vox on >the album and tour just before meeting Keith Emerson >to form some other band. > >In The Wake is a great followup release. Pictures of >a City and the title track are fantastic and the >Devil's Triangle is a dark, terrifying instrumental. > > >Era #2 - 1970/1971 >Lizard > >This is a kind of blah release. I can't really >recommend it. The band was really in a state of >transition. By this point only Robert Fripp was the >remaining member of the original lineup (unless you >count Peter Sinfield who wrote the lyrics). The title >track is oneof those long songs and features a guest >vocal spot by Jon Anderson. > > >Era #3 - 1971/1972 >Islands > >Yet another transition....different lineup from the >previous release. Better music than Lizard, but >doesn't contain the edge of the first era. Get later. > >Era #4 - 1972-1974 >Larks Tongues in Aspic >Starless & Bible Black >Red > >My favorite era. > >Fripp scrapped the Islands lineup and started over >(again). This is technically 3 lineups as they start >as a 5 piece and and as a 3 piece, but it's the same >era. Hard, dark, edgy sound. Lots of improvisation >live on stage. > >Started with Fripp (guitar, mellotron), John Wetton >(Bass, vocals), David Cross (violin, mellotron), Bill >Bruford fresh after recording Close To The Edge with >Yes (drums) and Jamie Muir (drums and assorted other >items). > >Personal opinion...this era is best represented on >"The Night Watch". A complete concert from 1973. 2 >CD, reasonably priced. This is the same show where >parts of Starless & Bible Black are from. Does not >have Muir as he had left to join a monestary at that >point. > >Then get Larks and Red. You won't really need >Starless & Bible Black at that point. > >Also available from that era is The Grweat Deceiver >box set (live from 73/74). Contains LOTS of improvs. > >Coming soon from the King Crimson Collectors Club >(which you no longer have to be a member to purchase >from by the way) is the first(?) live performance of >the 5 piece band at teh Zoom Club in Germany. If it's >the same show I'm thinking of....it contains a 43 >minute improvisation. Due out later this month. > >Oh...and Fripp disbanded the band in 1974. > >Era #5 - 1981-1984 >Discipline >Beat >Three of a Perfect Pair > >Fripp reforms KC with Bruford, Tony Levin and Adrian >Belew. > >Discipline is a must have from this era. Beat is >pretty good. I hardly listen to Three of a Perfect >Pair. > >An official live release from this lineup is the >complete Montreal show from 1985 (the last of that >lineup). It's called Absent Lovers and is quite good. > >They disbanded in 1985 (this is beginning to sound >like a Monty Python sketch, isn't it?) > >Era #6 - 1994-1996 >VROOOM (EP) >B'BOOM ("official bootleg") >THRAK (Full length studio release) >THRaKaTTaK (compilation of improvs from the 95 tour). > >My second favorite era of KC. > >KC recforms in 1994, with the same lineup as the 80s, >plus TRey Gunn on stick (later switching to Warr >guitar) and Pat Mastelotto on drums. Called the >Double Trio as they have 2 guitarists, 2 stickists, 2 >drummers. > >THRAK is very good, THRaKaTTaK is scary. But one of >the best represntations of this era is the "Live in >Japan" video from 1995 (available on DVD as "Deja >VROOOM"). That is VERY highly recommended. It's a >great intro to King Crimson, not just this lineup. > >Recently released on double CD is VROOOM VROOOM which >is 2 disc and taken from 2 shows on the 95/96 tour. >Contains the double trio's rendition of 21st Century >Schizoid Man (which they had not played since 1974). > >Transitional Period - The ProjeKcts - 1996-1999 >ProjeKct Two - Space Groove >The ProjeKcts Box Set > >After some problems during rehearsals in 97, Fripp, >instead of breaking up again, decided to have the band >break off into subsets of the double trio and jam in >frot of audiences in search of new music. ProjeKct >One, for example, consisted of Bill Bruford, Tony >Levin, Trey Gunn and Robert Fripp and played 4 nights >at the Jazz Cafe in London. All improvisation. > >I like ProjeKct 1 and ProjeKct 4 the best (but you >have to get the box set for those CDs). > >Era #7 - 2000 - Present >The ConstruKction of Light >Level Five (limited edition EP) > >Fripp decided to end the ProjecKts and regroup to do >the next studio album in late 1999. Bill Bruford was >still off with his jazz band, Earthworks and Tony >Levin was busy with sessions, collaborations and solo >material. So they reformed as a 4 piece (Fripp, Gunn, >Belew, Mastelotto). > >TCoL is a great CD and features a 12 minute wall of >sound instrumental that you must hear. Some decry the >production as a little dry, but I like the CD a lot. >Was listening to it at work today. > >Highly recommended. > >There is a 3 cd release from thei TCoL tour called >Heavy ConstruKction. Disc 3 is all improvs from that >tour. > >Level Five is an EP that was only available at shows >during 2001's Level Five tour and now through their >website (www.king-crimson.com). Features live works >in progress of songs that will be on their next CD. > >They are currently in Nashville working on an EP, will >tour (possibly with Tool again), and then record a >full length CD. At least that's the current plan. > >Any questions? > >Jon. >email_address_removed >NP: "Remedy Lane" by Pain of Salvation > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6191 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===