YTSEJAM Digest 6183 Today's Topics: 1) "Best of" - one other thing to consider by Dave Peterson 2) Re: "Best of" CD - what if? by WB Henderson 3) Re: "Best of" CD - what if? by "Rick Rosinski" 4) Test Message/Rush Tribute by Barbara Battaglia 5) DT best of CD by email_address_removed 6) DT "Best of" by "Stephen Gervois" 7) RE: YET-SEE-JAM by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 8) RE: YET-SEE-JAM by "HJ Rivera" 9) Re: DT,Rush and other delights by Craig Maloney 10) RE: YET-SEE-JAM by Andrew Coutermarsh 11) Re: "Best of" CD - what if? by Ilia 12) Re: DT best of CD by Ilia 13) Re: "Best of" CD - what if? by Craig Maloney 14) Re: DT best of CD by "Lisa Palma" 15) RE: YET-SEE-JAM by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 16) RE: OldTimers reunite... by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 17) NEARfest 2002 tickets by Gary Davis 18) For you and me.... We agree. by colt seaver ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Best of" - one other thing to consider Message-ID: Yes' Greatest Hits, "Highlights - Very Best of Yes" is SIMPLY HORRIBLE because they chose ONLY their "hits" like "Owner of a Lonely Heart" and left out all the stuff that makes them "Yes"!!! I bought that thing, wanting to see what all the fuss was about with Yes and thought the whole compilation just STANK. Now I'm older and wiser and realize that it simply is a garbage comp. Who knows how many potential Yes fans have turned away from the band because their "Greatest Hits" is just NAST? Anyway, I hope Dream Theater doesn't make the same mistake with a track lineup like this: 1. Pull Me Under 2. Another Day 3. Take the Time 4. The Silent Man 5. Lie 6. Peruvian Skies 7. Hollow Years 8. Burning my Soul 9. Anna Lee 10. The Spirit Carries On I mean, I really can see something like this happening! Granted, some of the songs above are okay and/or inspirational, but they are NOT REPRESENTATIVE of what Dream Theater is. God, I hope Mike Porntoy is in charge of picking the tracks if anything happens in this area. - Dr. Teeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:21:09 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: >If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big >hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it >helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're >capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, >to please the general public or please the true fans? They still play it and, yep, "Pull Me Under" would definitely be on their best of album if it were to come about. Hell, there'd probably be a sticker on the front that says "Featuring Pull Me Under". It's a marketing decision -- if you're making a best of album, you put the band's best known song on it, even if it's not particularly representative of the rest of their catalog. Just be glad Dream Theater's best known song doesn't suck! Brian ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:49:37 -0400 From: "Rick Rosinski" To: Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: <0e8601c1ecbc$3e2bf700$6401a8c0@amd1> > If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big > hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it > helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're > capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, > to please the general public or please the true fans? > They should definitely include PMU in any "Best Of" compilation. I think it's still a great song and it's at least one song that others may have heard. As for playing it in concert, they ARE in fact playing it still. I heard it at the Detroit show on March 19. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:34:48 -0400 From: Barbara Battaglia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Test Message/Rush Tribute Message-ID: Hello everyone (grin)! I've tried to post a couple other times from the "reminiscing" phase and they have never shown up on here. Hope this one gets through! Nice to see you are still around Al! As for the Rush tribute, all I can remember is the members of Rush being very upset about it coming out and saying "we're not dead yet". Something on that order. Of course we all went out and bought the cd anyways (defiant bastards that we are!). BABS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:40:23 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT best of CD Message-ID: I just put together a CD for one of my friends. I took most of my favorites but I focused on all the heavy tracks. The ones I picked were: 1. The Glass Prison 2. Strange Deja Vu 3. Pull Me Under 4. Burning My Soul 5. Mirror 6. Home 7. The Test That Stumped Them All 8. Lie 9. Beyond This Life 10. War Inside My Head I think it would be hard to come up with a true best of CD. Would you make it hard or soft? There is only on clear cut DT hit and that is PMU. The rest of the world could give two shits about anything this band puts out. On the other hand, DT's fans will buy anything they put out. I would love to see it come out, but I think this fan base is so diverse with their favorite songs that one cd would not be enough or would not cover the entire spectrum. I have recently gone through all the albums w/ James on vocals from front to back & put them in order from favorite to least favorite. I'll post it when I have the time. I think it would be interesting to Poll this. Someone with a ton of spare time on their hands could then put together, then, we could have a true list of the best of DT. See ya, Todd P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound it out phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it to friends & family. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:53:32 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: DT "Best of" Message-ID: <034c01c1ecde$514ed420$3cff9f0a@pc0099> The problem being : 1) General public don't have all the DT stuff. 2) True fans have all DT material and most songs doubled or trippled with concert bootlegs older demo versions ect... Would a "Best of" CD work on their fan base ? I would love it if DT re-recorded strange and wonderful new versions of their old songs for a "Best of". Wouldn't that be bliss ? :) Paradise ? :) Utopia ? :) See ye soon, I'm crossing my fingers for the future, A carbon based bipedal lifeform descendant from the apes > But my question is... > > If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big > hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it > helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're > capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, > to please the general public or please the true fans? > > What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:19:46 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: YET - SEE - JAM Some people wanna tell you "yit", but don't listen to 'em. There ain't no "i" :) JM > -----Original Message----- > From: email_address_removed [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: DT best of CD > > > P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound it out > phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it to friends & > family. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:22:35 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: >As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his pronunciation? ;) joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Maloney To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DT,Rush and other delights Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Robert Newcomb wrote: > As far as Rush having DT open for them . . . forget about it. Folks, it > is called ego. Everyone has one and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. > Yes, DT would benefit from such large exposure in America but would > Rush benefit from being upstaged? That I think is the heart of the > matter. I'm not so sure about this. I saw Primus open for Rush at the Palace in Auburn Hills. Primus played a pretty restrained set for a band that could have easily whipped the place into a frenzy. I think any band that opened for Rush would probably have enough respect for Rush to allow Rush to play unhindered. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (email_address_removed) http://ic.net/~craig There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- J.S. Bach ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, HJ Rivera wrote: > >As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: > > But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his > pronunciation? ;) Yeah, and besides, Portnoy says "Yit-say-jam" rather than "Yit-see-jam." So who's right? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. - Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: --- Dave Peterson wrote: > Dream Theater is at a point in their careers where it wouldn't > be out of the realm of possibility for them to release an > Anthology. But then again, with three live albums behind their belts, their "best of" is pretty much summed up on record anyway. I honestly don't know many people who'd get a DT best-of type release. Most people whom I know who appreciate DT either already have pretty much all of their albums, or if they don't, they are unlikely to get a best-of compilation. Doesn't seem prudent. =-*snip*- > If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include > their big hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE > dilemma? Obviously it helped them gain popularity, but really > isn't close to what they're capable of and they supposedly > don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, to please the general > public or please the true fans? Well, when I think about it, the question you must ask first is what songs are going on the "best of," period. I am hard-pressed to think of a DT song that I don't like, and for me putting together a one- or two-disk anthology of DT material would be extremely difficult in the first place. Now, should Pull Me Under be on that album? I'd say so. One of the reasons I like DT as much as I do is because they have at least one song that will surprise absolutely anyone, regardless of that person's favorite style. PMU is one of those songs. Besides, the lyrics for it are awesome, in my opinion. And they did play it live each of the three times that I saw them live. My favorite version was at the DC show on the 6DoiT tour, just recently, with the speeding up/slowing down. The "wtf?" look on LaBrie's face was priceless. My two cents. - Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com == "You have to keep in mind, I make my living playing with a piece of wood." - YJM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT best of CD Message-ID: --- email_address_removed wrote: > P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound > it out phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it > to friends & family. It's just like saying "Majesty" backwards. 'yit-say-jam' according to Mike Portnoy. (See http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/dt/dtfaq.htm, section 8.3) - Ilia. ==== Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution. --- Wernher Von Braun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:26:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Maloney To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: I think "Best of..." or "Greatest HIts" albums are primarily used to fufill recording contracts. (The "Please record 5 albums for us and then we'll renegotiate your contract"). Unless DT lulls in creative energy, I wouldn't expect a "Best of..." for some time, and would be saddened if it ever came to that. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (email_address_removed) http://ic.net/~craig There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- J.S. Bach ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lisa Palma" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT best of CD Message-ID: >At 08:49 AM 4/26/2002, Ilia wrote: > >It's just like saying "Majesty" backwards. 'yit-say-jam' >according to Mike Portnoy. (See >http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/dt/dtfaq.htm, section 8.3) In that case it would be closer to 'YEET-SEH-JAM'. (IMHO) ;o) |----------------------| | Lisa Marie Palma | | email_address_removed | |----------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:56:21 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: Yes, I do. It's yet-see-jam JM > -----Original Message----- > From: HJ Rivera [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM > > >As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: > > But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his > pronunciation? ;) > > joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:49:02 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: OldTimers reunite... Message-ID: Yep... so what did you do in the diner? Tell them their sound system sucked ? LOL JM (I was on the list at the time but you gotta re-tell it) :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Balkiewicz [SMTP:email_address_removed > > Geez..........you'd figure I'd be remembered more for the Fantasia Diner > recommendation before one of the Home for the Holidays shows back in the > day....what a mess that turned out to be....heheheh....ytsejammers getti'n > kicked out of a diner...how funny is that....... > > -Al > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:31:26 -0400 From: Gary Davis To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: NEARfest 2002 tickets Message-ID: Hi, folks: Just a reminder that The Artist Shop is giving away a free pair of tickets to NEARfest 2002, but time is running out. May 1st is the last day to enter. You'll find all the information to enter at . Also, on our import preorder page you'll find: BOWIE,DAVID-HEATHEN + 1 J BOWIE,DAVID-HEATHEN + BONUS DISC (2CD) J Japanese releases for David Bowies new album which features Jordan Rudess on keyboards! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com email_address_removed phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: colt seaver To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: For you and me.... We agree. Message-ID: I agree with Mosher (Digest 6182) That Counterparts is the strongest of rush in the last years, but I think is a thing of influence (or touch) of the producer of the albums too. I feel that Rush produced two soft albums (for the lack of a better term) in Presto and Roll the Bones. The producer in these albums was Rupert Hine. Not trying to slam Mr. Hine, but before him was Peter Collins and they released two great albums in the form of PowerWindows and Hold your Fire. Then when Peter Collins arrived back with Rush they produced this awsome album called Counterparts. Then they produced Test for Echo. Not so dark and heavy (IMHO) as the previous one, but a good album. Now as a long time collaborator and producer of the last Live album along with Geddy, Paul Northfield, I think he will do a good job producing Vapor Trals. I didn't hear yet a single song of this new album, but I think It's good to see another producer who will bring his own diferent vision to Rush as a producer. Just a Point of view. Luis "Too young, confused, and without an Internet plug to subscribe to YtseJamm not so long ago." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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