YTSEJAM Digest 6147 Today's Topics: 1) The minimalistic simplfiied literal approach to overplaying indulgent by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher 2) Re: metal vocalists by "Alexandra O'Connell" 3) Re: The minimalistic simplfiied literal approach to overplaying indulgent by Ilia 4) Re: metal vocalists by "Everonn" 5) OTV by "Mike Shetzer" 6) Re: Corrections by Ilia 7) Re: Corrections by Andrew Coutermarsh 8) CD burning - NDTC by "Odysseus Rex" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:50:28 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The minimalistic simplfiied literal approach to overplaying indulgent Message-ID: Opinions, perspectives, viewpoints... all have validity here, especially in the eye of the beholder and from the point of (literal) origin. Some people are taking the debate of 'overplaying' and 'minimalism' personal. Which is understandable. Dream Theater fans, and, oftimes it seems, progressive music afianado's in general, take their music very seriously, often to a fault, but at the expense of sharing intriguing viewpoints and information? Haha, never! That;s why though I disagree with people who would argue points based purely on subjective opinion (such as, the level of instrumental ability for a particular band member, who's music is more simplistic than another, the best song on said CD, why so-and-so's voice sucks that individual night, etc etc etc, ad naseum, ad infinitum), I generally don't make it a personal goal to debate the insubstantials of a personal opinion. I find it more productive to state my personal opinion and why I would disagree or agree with other viewpoints. But that's just my perspective. I just thought I;d hedge my bets here and post some ramblings on what I've been reading and reacting to here. Sorry for the abject humorous admist some serious comments but many times, as I'm sure plenty of people do, I have to laugh at some of the debates that arise here. Or that I find myself entering, perpetuating or even facilitating! Part of being a Jam (or any other forum member in, well... good? standing, I suppose!) member! Bottom line: Sometimes we find this talk amusing, other times informative, other times tiresome and sometimes dreadful, but always entertaining! PS: I thought I was sorry I ever instigated the 'Irregardless is not a word' debate via a casually-worded paen to Enchant, but to my supreme surprise and sarcastic nature, I find myself laughing all the way back to the kitchen for tea and crumpets while I peruse the Jam to see what few comments pop up here and there about one of the current topics of discussion that has yet to die a fiery, destructive death! (If you though words like that were inflammable... sorry). Anyhow, I still don't what I;m doing typing all this ado about nothing, so, I'll make like Dick Cheney at Senate Hearing and beat it. Scott M (VIRTUALITY CD) music: http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality art: http://www.theambientmind.com astrophysical geonomic earth sciences: ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: metal vocalists Message-ID: >Russell Allen from Symphony X is probably the best >metal vocatlist I've ever heard live. Power, style, >energy, I couldn't believe it when I saw him in Jersey >last year. >Jon I would have to agree. I have never been more impressed with anyone else live - and I've heard Labrie on some good nights. :) Where in NJ did you see them play? I think I missed their NJ show, unfortunately, but I saw them in L'amours at the end of the year. Had to wait through some other less amazing bands, but it was worth it! In other news, anyone here going to the first NYC show (the 27th)? I'm going to be there with my best friend, in the balcony I believe, rockin' out. Hope to see some folks there! Alex ==== "May those who love us, love us. And those that don't love us, may God turn their hearts. And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles, so that we may know them by their limping." - - - - - www.scenes.de New CD out 2002. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The minimalistic simplfiied literal approach to overplaying indulgent Message-ID: --- Chslo Scott Mosher Opinions, perspectives, viewpoints... all have validity here, especially in > the eye of the beholder and from the point of (literal) origin. Some people > are taking the debate of 'overplaying' and 'minimalism' personal. Which is > understandable. Dream Theater fans, and, oftimes it seems, progressive music > afianado's in general, take their music very seriously, often to a > fault, but at the expense of sharing intriguing viewpoints and information? > Haha, never! That;s why though I disagree with people who would argue points > based purely on subjective opinion (such as, the level of instrumental > ability for a particular band member, who's music is more simplistic than > another, the best song on said CD, why so-and-so's voice sucks that > individual night, etc etc etc, ad naseum, ad infinitum), I generally don't > make it a personal goal to debate the insubstantials of a personal opinion. I > find it more productive to state my personal opinion and why I would disagree > or agree with other viewpoints. And in addition to all that, most people on the list seem to be in general agreement on many of the points about which we argue, subjective or otherwise. So why do we keep doing it in the first place? - Ilia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:24:26 -0500 From: "Everonn" To: Subject: Re: metal vocalists Message-ID: <006201c1d105$a23860d0$message_id_removed> From: "Alexandra O'Connell" > Where in NJ did you see them play? I think I missed > their NJ show, unfortunately, but I saw them in > L'amours at the end of the year. Had to wait through > some other less amazing bands, but it was worth it! I know I'm not Jon, but I saw them play twice in Jersey (we are talking about SyX, right?). Once at that motorcycle shop in N. Plainfield in January, and once at Obsessions in Randolph in September. I was also at both L'Amour shows (March, September). > In other news, anyone here going to the first NYC show > (the 27th)? I am. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:48:37 -0500 From: "Mike Shetzer" To: "Ytsejam Newsletter" Subject: OTV Message-ID: <00da01c1d109$02f7f540$ece0ca18@videotron.ca> Hey all. I was listening the other day as usual to my collection of prog-isms and came across my copy of On The Virg's Serious Young Insects. For those of you know that haven't heard it, it's NUTS. It features Phil Turcio on keys, Evripides Evripdou on bass, Simon Hosford on guitar and Virgil Donati (planet x) on drums. Simply wacky jazz/prog instrumentals with crazy solos, time signatures and progressions. i was curious however to know what other records Hosford, Turcio and Evripidou have appeared on (besides the new Sam Aliano disc). They are all incredible musicians as showcased on OTV and I'd like to hear some more of them. Ideas? m.S ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Corrections Message-ID: --- Steve Chew wrote: > Heck, remember the old saying that > "Ain't ain't in the dictionary"? Well, it is now. Language grows > and changes over time. Ain't has been a word for a while now... it comes from Victorian English. It just went out of use, but has been coming back lately I guess. - Ilia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Corrections Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Ilia wrote: > Ain't has been a word for a while now... it comes from Victorian > English. It just went out of use, but has been coming back lately I > guess. IMO, ain't is a word to be used in the same manner as "oughtn't," which is also a word that is infrequently used, or "mightn't," or the like. It's just that "irregardless," much like "judgement," (which should be "judgment") were never words in the first place, and only came to be because people were using them incorrectly. Words should NEVER be created to make something that was original incorrect correct. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two, but can't remember what they are. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:49:09 +0000 From: "Odysseus Rex" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD burning - NDTC Message-ID: > >As for a rootage, Indonesian gamelan (Malay "to beat") often has been >claimed, whereas Mertens (new ed. 1998) sees MM emerging as the latest >stage in a development leading from Schvnberg, Webern, Stockhausen and >Cage. On the other hand, Reich himself has found supporters for claiming of Heike, Are you the bass player from three years ago? Freut mich, Dich noch mal zu sehen. Anyhoo: Can anyone especially Stateside help me with a bit of research? Has anyone seen burn-your-own CD stands from Liquid Audio, IBM or such at retailers? Did they work? And can anyone point me somewhere which talks about various ways of burning CDs: is it generally done from MP3s, can someone tell me whether a .wav is or isn't what streams off a recorded CD, etc. etc. Whew. First post in 2 years. That was a lurk and a half. Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6147 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===