YTSEJAM Digest 6142 Today's Topics: 1) Re: PORTNOY RANT by Mark Peters 2) The Anti-Portnoy Rant Commitee by "Stephen Gervois" 3) Portnoy rant by rob denni 4) A Few Things by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher 5) the portnoy rant by "gloom gloom" 6) Re: the portnoy rant by "Dave Schott" 7) Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) by David or Tammy Landis 8) Re: PORTNOY RANT by Alexis Ramos 9) Re: PORTNOY RANT by Michael & Pamela Nazer 10) Superior - Ultima Ratio by Rick Audet 11) Bush / Rant by WB Henderson 12) RE: PORTNOY RANT by "Mark Bredius" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:59:53 -0600 From: Mark Peters To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: > Anyone else have thoughts on that bullshit of a rant? Yes! Please ignore it. Don't feed the trolls. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:32:03 +0100 From: "Stephen Gervois" To: Subject: The Anti-Portnoy Rant Commitee Message-ID: <000901c1ccd5$e3654610$2a6464c8@cycosystem> TAPRC => I won't even bring myself down to your level to flame you email_address_removed ! If ever you read this as a friend of yours posted your rant. Quite frankly if you don't like Portnoys drumming don't listen to DT. Well everyones entitled to an opinion so 124687.10e35 posts pro portnoy and a handful against is not bad ;) => And another 2 things - in a desperate attempt to put an end to the "spelling" mails : 1) As longe as aall under-stannd whaattt u right hoo givves a fuk. 2) Ders a lot ov non-inglish speoking pepple om theis list. => Oh and finally - Lee Brenn : I'm going to send you my hospital bill for the SDV trick => you bastard lol ;) See ye, A carbon based life form decendant from the apes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: rob denni To: ytsejam Subject: Portnoy rant Message-ID: "Attachted is a picture of his new kit played in the studio and on tour The Siamese Monster. How fucking gay is that. I hope you enjoy reading my vent. Fuck Portnoy." It's amusing to me that this guy thinks The Siamese Monster is "fucking gay" when aparrently Bozzio's kit is ok(I am a Bozzio fan also, so I'm not knocking it). Just where do you think most of Portnoy's ideas have come from? ==== Rob Denni 3008 Tallwood Way Augusta, GA 30906 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:46:53 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A Few Things Message-ID: The fan (?) that wrote the letter to Modern Drummer regarding Portnoy, well, though I can kind of see his point (I always thought Portnoy was a very capable, if not very BUSY drummer, but to refer to him as an 'asshole' because of his zest for intense drumming techniques, abilities, and interests, is beyond ridiculous). I much prefer the refined styles of Zonder, Peart, et al... BUT there's room at the top for players of various techniques, Portnoy not being the least of it. I don't know why some people take it as a personal affront, that, sure there are drummer's out there who like to go over the top from time to time, and Portnoy atleast has the rudiments and song writing ability to back it up... But that's my opinion. Atleast I didn't call him a 'fastidious creampuff' because I think he overplays. He's still amongst my favorite drummers. Oh yeah, regarding the guy (Brian) who pointed out the guy who forgot to place the word 'could' in his paragraph about the guy who could unleash nuclear destruction on the entire second and third world if big business said it would get him higher approval ratings and more money for the coffers, don't forget they could both push the eject button from your car CD player and permanently install the Boy Band CD of their choice to wish you where residing in permanent nuclear winter! lol.... "Irregardless"... Back to the regularly scheduled Channel... D'oh! Scott (The VIRTUALITY CD) http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:50:57 -0600 From: "gloom gloom" To: "ytsejam" Subject: the portnoy rant Message-ID: <000c01c1cd02$5cef4d60$message_id_removed> > Anyone else have thoughts on that bullshit of a rant? Hey, it's okay to critique, ya know! Y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I really liked that anti-Portnoy rant. Not so much for what it said, but because when I typically hear people rip on DT, it's usually "They sound like fags harrrrhrreherrh" and other tripe. At least this kid has a POINT with his rant. Now, regarding the actual rant: indeed, I see some valid points, particularly on overplaying. But then again, I think he's looking past the point that at some point, everyone in that band is overplaying. That's how they put everything together. They overdo it because they CAN, and since that's what we're expecting anyway, we love it. But I will be the first one in line to say that Portnoy's drumming on 6DoIT has turned insane. I'm as much of a believer of minimalism as a tool as I am of grandiosity. But sometimes I just think to myself, hey Portnoy, do you *have* to hit 145 drums every second? Would it be more effective with less? But all of my inner debates aren't at odds with what is currently done, they're more of an alternate that I wouldn't be displeased with. I'm certainly not displeased with the material being written and played currently, otherwise I wouldn't have remained a fan for the last 10 years :) --summer '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' ' Anada e'zine: http://anada.net ' 'METAL: http://www.whitetrashdevil.com' ' e-mail: email_address_removed ' ' AIM: gloomchen ICQ: 6281357 ' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:15:18 -0500 From: "Dave Schott" To: Subject: Re: the portnoy rant Message-ID: <002a01c1cd05$c81c1a20$0100a8c0@one> I'll agree with that, I feel more like this though. Do you have to have a set which requires two asses? I mean come on... The playing doesn't get on my nerves too much but I think the purple monster was just right. Death Is The First Dancing Turtle -AdmiralDave (email_address_removed) ----- Original Message ----- From: gloom gloom To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: the portnoy rant > > Anyone else have thoughts on that bullshit of a rant? > > Hey, it's okay to critique, ya know! > > Y'all are gonna think I'm nuts, but I really liked that anti-Portnoy rant. > Not so much for what it said, but because when I typically hear people rip > on DT, it's usually "They sound like fags harrrrhrreherrh" and other tripe. > At least this kid has a POINT with his rant. > > Now, regarding the actual rant: indeed, I see some valid points, > particularly on overplaying. But then again, I think he's looking past the > point that at some point, everyone in that band is overplaying. That's how > they put everything together. They overdo it because they CAN, and since > that's what we're expecting anyway, we love it. But I will be the first one > in line to say that Portnoy's drumming on 6DoIT has turned insane. I'm as > much of a believer of minimalism as a tool as I am of grandiosity. But > sometimes I just think to myself, hey Portnoy, do you *have* to hit 145 > drums every second? Would it be more effective with less? > > But all of my inner debates aren't at odds with what is currently done, > they're more of an alternate that I wouldn't be displeased with. I'm > certainly not displeased with the material being written and played > currently, otherwise I wouldn't have remained a fan for the last 10 years :) > > --summer > > '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > ' Anada e'zine: http://anada.net ' > 'METAL: http://www.whitetrashdevil.com' > ' e-mail: email_address_removed ' > ' AIM: gloomchen ICQ: 6281357 ' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` > > > ---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:07:11 -0600 From: David or Tammy Landis To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) Message-ID: --------------000704030305010400050006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Yeah, it's even scarier that liberals can only complain about Bush's speech patterns or how he "stole the election." He could go over capture Bin Laden himself, turn the economy around and make the blind see and they'd still be complaining. Dave WB Hendercrap wrote: >>Nah, he'd just screw things up and use it correctly. It's pretty scary >>when the guy that unleash a nuclear holocaust upon the rest of the known >>world at the touch of a button can't even pronounce "nuclear" properly. > It's pretty scary when the guy that makes fun of the guy that could unleash a nuclear holocaust upon the rest of the known world at the touch of a button forgets a very important "could"... --------------000704030305010400050006 ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos To: ytsejam Subject: Re: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: I think the guy who wrote that is entitled to have his opinion, but I do not agree with him. For some reason he just hates Portnoy, and he's trying to back it up with "evidence". Portnoy is a great musician and seems to be a great contributer to the music DT makes. Everyone that's worked with him has stated in interviews that they love writing and playing with him because of his musical knowledge and playing abilities. And he might seem like he's a little cocky sometimes, but I don't think he thinks of himself as the drum god and that everyone should bow to him. I think he's quite down to earth considering how big his name and his band have gotten. Alexis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:51:42 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer To: Subject: Re: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: I don't think he thinks of himself as > the drum god and that everyone should bow to him. I > think he's quite down to earth considering how big his > name and his band have gotten. > > Alexis How right you are. At the end of the wed. show, some one handed him a sign that read Portnoy is a Drum God(not a direct quote....sorry). He took the sign and wiped his ass with it(laughing during the whole thing) Pam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Superior - Ultima Ratio Message-ID: If you recall Bernd's post a couple of months ago about the Ultima Ratio trailer, go to that website again, because it's different now. http://www.ultimaratio2002.de/ Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:27:46 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Bush / Rant Message-ID: >Yeah, it's even scarier that liberals can only complain about Bush's >speech patterns or how he "stole the election." Bah. I could care less about the whole election "scandal" (or capturing terrorists for that matter). I just think it's funny that the leader of the free world stumbles over relatively easy words on a consistent basis. The reasons I don't like the guy as president have nothing to do with the ones mentioned...but this ain't the forum for political discussion. Let's talk DT. About that rant, who cares what some guy thinks of Portnoy. If you like his style, you like his style - no need to defend him. The guy has hundreds of thousands of fans, one flame ain't going to make everybody change their minds. If you have the attitude that all dissenters must be quelched, you're going to be very busy: there's far worse opinions out there. A lot of serious metalheads can't stand Dream Theater at all, let alone the drumming. In short, enjoy the band, and don't worry about what other people think of 'em. Brian [NP...Serpent Obscene -- s/t] ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:23:25 +0100 From: "Mark Bredius" To: Subject: RE: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: <001001c1cd8d$021c3390$9600000a@itchy> Marc Contrady wrote: > This was sent to me by a friend of mine. He has some good points...no? Marc, your friend is a very funny guy... Hasn't he realized yet that "overplaying" is exactly what Dream Theater is all about? ;-) > Don't kill the messenger I'm just repeating his opinion. If you want to > reply to him send it to me at email_address_removed. He doesn't know > I'm posting this and would probably be pissed at 1000 emails. This is from the introduction message you received when you subscribed to the Ytsejam... "8. Reposting of private messages. Do not repost any mail that was sent to you in private to the ytsejam mailing list. You will be kicked off immediately." Mark Bredius http://www.markbredius.com/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 6142 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===