YTSEJAM Digest 6141 Today's Topics: 1) Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher 2) Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) by WB Henderson 3) Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) by WB Henderson 4) Re: Portnoy on TGP by "Aris Lambrianidis" 5) Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... by Ilia 6) Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... by Andrew Coutermarsh 7) PORTNOY RANT by Marc Contrady 8) Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... by Ilia 9) Re: PORTNOY RANT by Ilia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:35:02 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) Message-ID: Andrew, sure we 'shouldn't use it', BUT... it's in the dictionary, so that gives one some leeway, and the advantage of semi-legitimacy! PLus, consider it irreverent literary slang, then! I, for one, find it amusing, as do I find this whole discussion, and I can imagine some lurking English professor (and obvious progressive fan) shaking their head in unamused literary horror! The damn kids of today, what will those unconformist bastards come up with next! Argh! I think I may send this 'word' to GWBush for use in one of his upcoming speeches! Scott http://www.theambientmind.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:43:47 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) Message-ID: >I think I may send this 'word' to GWBush for use in one of his upcoming >speeches! Nah, he'd just screw things up and use it correctly. It's pretty scary when the guy that unleash a nuclear holocaust upon the rest of the known world at the touch of a button can't even pronounce "nuclear" properly. Brian ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:06:29 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Horse (Irregardless) Message-ID: WB Hendercrap wrote: >Nah, he'd just screw things up and use it correctly. It's pretty scary >when the guy that unleash a nuclear holocaust upon the rest of the known >world at the touch of a button can't even pronounce "nuclear" properly. It's pretty scary when the guy that makes fun of the guy that could unleash a nuclear holocaust upon the rest of the known world at the touch of a button forgets a very important "could"... Brian [NP...Scholomance -- The Immortality Murder] ============================================= WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:40:44 +0200 From: "Aris Lambrianidis" To: Subject: Re: Portnoy on TGP Message-ID: <003001c1cc50$f19b95c0$bd6761c3@nightmarerealm> <> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexis Ramos" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: Portnoy on TGP, Therion > Hey! I've had the chance to listen to TGP played live > on two different concerts I've downloaded, and I > noticed that Portnoy doesn't play the amazing double > bass drum rhythm on the part where James sings > "Desperate, crawling on my knees...". Does that mean > that that bass drum rhythm on the album is an overdub > or that he just doesn't feel like playing it live or > it's too difficult and could probably mess it up if he > tried it? <> I'm not late on my reply, am I? :} No, it's not an overdub. On the part you're referring to Mike is playing triplets on the bass drum. Considering that he rarely doesn't play his parts live as they are heard on the record, in the case of overdubs or to spice things up for example, I'd say that he chose not to play it because it probably won't be heard as good on a live performance. A. aka dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... Message-ID: --- Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > The word "erroneous" means that it's an > unnecessary word, therefore, it's only in there because it's used > colloquially, just as "d'oh" is. I believe "d'oh" has been added to the dictionary as well. The spell it without the apostrophe, but it's there, so it's now an official word ;) - Ilia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:16:12 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Ilia wrote: > I believe "d'oh" has been added to the dictionary as well. The spell > it without the apostrophe, but it's there, so it's now an official > word ;) I know. :) That's why I used that as an example. But it's no less a real word than "irregardless" is; it's just an exclamation of a single syllable. Just as "GHAA!" shouldn't be a word, neither should "d'oh." :) ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President." - Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:33:44 -0500 From: Marc Contrady To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: This was sent to me by a friend of mine. He has some good points...no? Don't kill the messenger I'm just repeating his opinion. If you want to reply to him send it to me at email_address_removed. He doesn't know I'm posting this and would probably be pissed at 1000 emails. "Portnoy has reached the pinacle of obnoxsiousness. Quote from the May Modern Drummer "I remember when Neil Peart scaled down to a single bass drum. As a fan, I was disappointed. So I came up with the idea of putting together a huge kit." So was for about 5 seconds, this is a grown man being upset about another drummer removing a bass drum from his set. How much bigger of an asshole can he get. After AWAKE his playing has become overbearing and annoying. I once said there is no such thing as overplaying. I now retract that statement and stand corrected. Peart, Cobham, Coluita, Weckl, Donati, Bozzio, and Zonder could play a solo over a 3:00 pop song and to me it still is not over playing. That being said Portnoy has proven he has no dynamic ability, and no evidence of song structure, and the ability to ruin a song written by 4 other great musicians. I now know why Rudess chose Bozzio for a drummer for his solo album. In the May article he also states he almost quit the band after FII. He should have, imagine the calibre of music Dream Theater would be with someone like Bozzio or Donati. This email is titled Portnoy/DT bashing. The only bashing i'll do with the rest of the band is why do they let him get away with the bullshit. They do not need him they dont owe him anything, get rid of him. The entire article he spends trying to validate himself as great drummer, writer, and producer. It is sickening. Mabye if they would have kept a producer with enough balls to tell Portnoy knock it the fuck off their music may be somthing special. I cant take him anymore. On the 3/23 I am going to see the other 4 members of Drean Theater and imagine someone else is playing the drums. Thank god I have a good imagination. Attachted is a picture of his new kit played in the studio and on tour The Siamese Monster. How fucking gay is that. I hope you enjoy reading my vent. Fuck Portnoy." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:01:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Irregardless of the Dictonary... Message-ID: --- Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Ilia wrote: > > > I believe "d'oh" has been added to the dictionary as well > > I know. :) That's why I used that as an example. But it's no less a > real > word than "irregardless" is; it's just an exclamation of a single > syllable. Just as "GHAA!" shouldn't be a word, neither should > "d'oh." :) To the best of my knowledge, the editors of dictionaries, Webster in particular, look for new terminology in arts and sciences to add to dictionaries. But also, they look at the pop culture - TV shows, popular/entertainment publications, etc. - for commonly used colloquial expressions. After a certain expression, however little it resembles a real word, is encountered a certain number of times from several people, it is put up for consideration of becoming a word. "Doh," for example, has been in use since the 60s, although it has not been popularized until more recent decades. And just to challenge the second point you make, why couldn't an exclamation or interjection be considered a word as well? Isn't any part of speech technically a word? - Ilia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PORTNOY RANT Message-ID: This guy doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about at all. If he doesn't like Dream Theater's music, I could understand him not liking Portnoy, seeing as how Portnoy is responsible for writing a major part of it. He has no dynamic ability or song structure? You've lost your fucking mind! And I have a strong feeling that one of the reason Rudess didn't pick Portnoy for his solo album is because Portnoy hates Magna Carta. Why the hell would Rudess have joined DT if he couldn't take Portnoy, after spending two weeks working on LTE? Being the caliber musician that he is, I'm sure he would've figured it out if he didn't want to be in a band with the guy. And if a man, who is probably an infinitely superior percussionist to whoever it was who wrote that, wishes to put together a drum kit to his choosing, and states that he was influenced - positively OR negatively - by a design idea of one of his heroes, I say more power to him. And if he wants two drum kits in one, I'll stand by my statement. Anyone else have thoughts on that bullshit of a rant? - Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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