YTSEJAM Digest 6017 Today's Topics: 1) POS (I jump into the fray, shortly) by Cyberwolf 2) Re: P.O.S. ???? by "Jenny K" 3) 57 channels and nothing on by Partha Mukhopadhyay 4) Re: review of Mullmuzzler 2 by Scott Hansen 5) Mulmuzzler 2 & ? about TA2 by Chris Elder 6) RE: P.O.S. ???? by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 7) Re: P.O.S. ???? by "Dr. Mosh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:18:51 -0500 From: Cyberwolf To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: POS (I jump into the fray, shortly) Message-ID: Well, in my limited sonic experience with them, which was LIVE at last years Chicago ProgPower event, I was duly impressed. They were versatile and great performer's. Generally, if I like a band live, the recorded music should be a no-brainer, but the opposite is not true. That being said, I have yet to grab a POS CD yet, so... I'm still on the fence! Scott (Musician/Graphic Artist/Activist, Dr. Pepper Aficianado, Neurosurgeon, Allroundniceguy) http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/ RE: VIRTUALITY CD ** Ambient, neo-progressive cyber rock with a cinematic flair for the dramatic and evocative. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:59:21 -0800 From: "Jenny K" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID:

Hi yall,

I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already been said:

I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even on a cd.

I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how much they like them.  POS's OHBTCL is second to last.  And that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked higher).

>From: Eric George
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: P.O.S. ????
>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:30:53 -0800 (PST)
>
>hey there folks,
> brief question about Pain of Salvation. i've heard LOT'S of talk
>about them here on the 'jam, and it's all been pretty positive. well, i
>hadn't heard anything by them until today, when i caught the video for
>"Ashes" from the album The Perfect Element. can someone please tell me
>that they get better than this?? granted, it's not a bad sond, but
>certainly nothing worth writing home about. the guitar solo at the end
>was impressive, but the song itself was pretty bland. now, i thought i
>remembered someone on here saying that The Perfect Element was one of
>their best albums. i'm hoping that this song was just one of the crap
>one's that seem to always wind up being the singles from an album. please
>tell me that it's get's better than "Ashes". also, and maybe this is just
>a result of it being a poor video, but the sound quality was similar to
>something that was recorded underwater. was this the fault of the video,
>or is that a "trademark sound" of P.O.S.??? i hope not. hope to get some
>feedback. thanks a lot.
> -eric
>
>
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> get the most appreciation.
> The things that matter the most
> don't get enough." -me
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:04:05 -0800 (PST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 57 channels and nothing on Message-ID: >Jordan Rudess - Feeding the Wheel >Very highly recommended album. >Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever >Everybody needs this album. I'll bite.....Rudess' album is spectacular at spots, and very boring at spots....the first song (i'm forgetting the titles now), opens up in a 70s game show theme mood.....later on, there's a segment that remind me of a cheesy rap song from the early 90s....in between and around that kind of crap, there's some awesome riffs built upon typically solid work from Bozzio, but there are just a few too many cringe-worthy moments to be an unqualified recommend from me.... As for Transatlantic, I love this album, but I liked it ever better before pulling SMTP:e out for comparison's sake. THey sound more like a band this time around.....less, "Spock's beard here, flower kings section, let's give Mike a chance now....," although there are still moments where you can totally tell who's doing the songwriting at that particular moment. Where they regress is largely encapsulated by the track "Suite Charlotte Pike." That jam session thing was cool when it was encapsulated within "All of the Above" from the first album, with a nice lead in, and a great flow into the next segment of the song, Stuck at the start of SCP, the jam session sounds like just that, 4 guys jamming, not as a part of a song, but just for the hell of it. As a separate track, cool, but it just feels tacked on to SCP, which goes on to have that weird, "his name is wonderful" section, with Roine Stolt in full Euro lounge singer mode..... The two 26 minute songs kinda drag, although not too badly.....again, that may just be in comparison with the mid-teen length tracks from the first album that work so well....I just get the feeling that TA works best at about 17 minute song lengths. Of course, All of the Above is still my favorite TA song, so make of that what you will. anyway, that's my quick and dirty take..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:48:51 -0800 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: review of Mullmuzzler 2 Message-ID: In an e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 11/8/01 5:44 PM, Alexis Ramos thusly spaketh: > James LaBrie - Mulmuzzler 2 > Alright, I think I'm going to differ from most of the > stuff I've heard by saying that I think this album is > a step down from the first one. It's a good album, > but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me as > much as the first one. The melodies are catchier on > the previous one, and, to me, it just feels more > inspired. The best songs on this album are the > gardner and the shadow gallery ones. Some of the > guillory tracks are great, but others just don't do > anything for me. James sounds great, but the songs > themselves don't stand out, IMO. > > OK, lets see if this inspires some discussion... Well, I dunno how much discussion this is, but I am definitely one of those that differs with you on comparing the two. First off, the mix is much better on this one than on the previous one. Also, I honestly think that there are certainly more "catchy" songs on this one than there were on the first one - thankfully Guillory co-wrote most of the tracks on this one. Which brings me to one other point that I don't agree with - the Guillory tracks are WAY better than the Shadow gallery and especially the Gardner tracks. The only thing I like from Gardner was Explorer's Club and even that got repetitive; thankfully he only contributes one song on MM2, tho it is a step up from the garbage he wrote on the first one... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 02:48:32 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: Mulmuzzler 2 & ? about TA2 Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3088118913_818207_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I agree wholeheartedly here. Very disappointed. The first one had a killer vibe through the whole thing. The second is just kinda ho-hum/ going through the motions, for a second album kinda thing. But James's voice does sound great on it though. > James LaBrie - Mulmuzzler 2 > Alright, I think I'm going to differ from most of the > stuff I've heard by saying that I think this album is > a step down from the first one. It's a good album, > but for some reason it just doesn't do it for me as > much as the first one. The melodies are catchier on > the previous one, and, to me, it just feels more > inspired. The best songs on this album are the > gardner and the shadow gallery ones. Some of the > guillory tracks are great, but others just don't do > anything for me. James sounds great, but the songs > themselves don't stand out, IMO. Question about the new Transatlantic: How similar to the first is it? I kinda sorta enjoyed the first but haven't listened to it in ages. Will I enjoy the second? -Chris --MS_Mac_OE_3088118913_818207_MIME_Part ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:22:39 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2A83@ISDCRE00> That's a good point.... I'm so strange that I arrange my CDs by alphabetical order. I probably should think about putting them in order of my faves... but I dunno, I like the Alpha method a lot. heh JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny K [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? > >
>

Hi yall,

>

I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already > been said:

>

I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even > on a cd.

>

I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how > much they like them.  POS's OHBTCL is second to last.  And > that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked > higher).

> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:10:14 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: P.O.S. ???? Message-ID: CAN YOU TURN OFF THE HTML MAIL PLEASE?!?! Signal received 0. Jenny K said: >
>

Hi yall,

>

I'm a bit too lazy to read all the emails, so sorry if this has already been said:

>

I totally agree with you about the band's sound quality: it sucks, even on a cd.

>

I'm one of those shallow people who arrange their cds according to how much they like them.  POS's OHBTCL is second to last.  And that's saying a lot, because I own a Warrant cd (and that's ranked higher).

>
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