YTSEJAM Digest 5951 Today's Topics: 1) Meshuggah by "Joe DeAngelo" 2) Meshuggah and Sherinian by rob denni 3) Perspective on 'New' Progressive by Cyberwolf 4) Re: meshuggah thread..... by "Jenny K" 5) Sun Caged newsflash by Marcel.Coenen@Libertel.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:31:27 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" To: Subject: Meshuggah Message-ID: <002e01c133b3$91f37a60$message_id_removed> >>what exactly IS their style like? i >>understand them to be pretty heavy, but what does that mean for the >>vocals? cookie monster-growl crap? The vocals are harsh. Perhaps not quite full death growls...... But more like an aggressive, growly yell. Musically..... they are brutally heavy, and extremely crazy. They are ALL over the place with their strange time signatures and poly-rhythms... in fact, I've even heard them referred to as "math-metal" before. I'll get to see them September 16th, openining up for Tool! Whoo-hooo! :) - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni To: ytsejam Subject: Meshuggah and Sherinian Message-ID: Meshuggah is my new favorite heavy heavy band. Yes, there are cookie monster vocals, however the musicianship makes up for it. There's one song were right in the middle of this insane music, all stops, and this elegant accoustic guitar comes out of nowhere for a bit, and then insanity runs rampant again. I like stuff like this, it keeps me on my toes. Being a drummer, I kinda pride myself in the fact that I can usually figure out what meter a song is in. I can't do that with this group. I know this is my taste and your tastes may differ. Also about Sherinians keyboard setup now, I saw a pic of it in Modern Drummer. It looks like to me, he may be doing that to save his wrists from carpal tunnel(however you spell it)syndrome. After seeing Steve Smiths snare drum setup on his kit, I recently adjusted my drums flater for the same reason. ==== Rob Denni 3008 Tallwood Way Augusta, GA 30906 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:59:24 -0400 From: Cyberwolf To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Perspective on 'New' Progressive Message-ID: I've noticed quite a number of posts recently regarding Meshuggah and the like. I agree with Graham when he refer's to being more interested in hearing 'new' variations on typical progressive fare, even from the extreme metal community, than the same old boring, rehashed, power/progressive redundancy that rear's it's head so often. The same can be said of other genre's including spicing up the progressive scene with elements of R&B (or, god forbid! Funk!), new-age, Trance/ambient, death metal, and even country (a little Tiles, anyone?). Well, there are probably atleast 1-2 examples of all of the above floating around, albeit in obscurity or anonymity, but still, the upteenth derivative of Dream Theater/Queensryche/Fates Warning doesn't really do much for me either. I've actually curbed alot of my Progressive CD purchasing recently because I've just not heard anything tremedously new and inspiring recently, although of late, I have been impressed with Dysrhythmia, Andromeda, Paul Oakenfold, Persephone's Dream, Brave, Digital Ruin, some of the new Tool, Outcast and Greyhaven. Granted, in scientific measurements, the percentage of 'progressive' elements to some of these new bands is immeasureable to the prog purists, but then again, holding bands to a specific barometer of progressive apptitude is somewhat disengenuous and a tad bit crossing the line from enjoyment to over-analysis, which, of course, is something I just did myself a bit! Ah, the unstable infalibility of us humans... preposterous! Ha! Anyhow the only reason I am deviating somewhat into this topic, is that, subsequent to the above musings, I am actively attending to bringing these more diverse elements into a somewhat progressive arena in my personal music (insert obligatory plug here _____) and I think I am on the right path working the trance/ambient element into the neo-progressive niche I am working within. Anyhow, sometimes moving the discussion down divergent avenues with common themes makes 'the jam' more interesting, eh? Avoiding the traps of flame-wars (although many are damn interesting at times), proper home maintainance and appliance-repair discussions are beneficial (whut?). Scott Mosher (Musician/graphic artist/activist/neurosurgeon/allroundniceguy.) the VIRTUALITY CD: Ambient neo-progressive cyber rock. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher http://www.theambientmind.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:50:05 -0700 From: "Jenny K" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID:
All these recommendations are really nice.  Truly.  Unfortunately, I've discovered that on the whole, with Dream Theater being the only real exception, my tastes run very much NOT-PROG.  On the other hand, there are a few bands that I've gotten to like through jam exposure.  So here's a proposal: what if with every recommendation came a little note on exactly what the recommendor thought about Pain of Salvation's One Hour by the Concrete Lake?  Not that I'm trying to revive a thread or anything.  It's just because everyone and everyone's mother seems to know that album, as far as the jam is concerned.  Plus, that album represents the greatest disparity in opinion I've ever experienced with the jam (almost everyone loved it, I can hardly stand it).  That and of course FII, which I think is a masterpiece of brilliance in it's most purified form...
Now that I've probably just lost everyone's respect:
It seems natural now that all will now totally spurn my little suggestion.  Which is fine, it's kind of a ridiculous idea, I guess.  But please consider still maybe dropping a little line as to what your tastes are?...I know I'd appreciate it, and maybe some others will, too.
(Sorry for taking such a long time to make a small point.)

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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:16:28 +0200 From: Marcel.Coenen@Libertel.nl To: test@test.nl Subject: Sun Caged newsflash Message-ID: Hello all You can download a new Sun Caged song at mp3.com from our upcoming EP "Dominion", featuring our new singer Sascha Burchardt. The track is called "The Escape" Follow this link to download the song: http://www.mp3.com/suncaged Please let us know what you think by singing our guestbook at http://www.suncaged.com SUN CAGED concerts in The Netherlands: september 22nd, 2001: Katwijk Aan Zee, Scum (with Carthago) september 30th, 2001: Ell, Bachelorclub (with Mayadome) october 3rd, 2001: Arnhem, Goudvishal (with Zero Hour and Mayadome) oktober 4th, 2001: Tilburg, 013 (with Zero Hour and Mayadome) november 2nd, 2001: Echt, De Vagant december 14th, 2001: Sittard, Fenix (with Peanuts) januari 12th, 2002: Geleen, De Boerderij (with Jera, Sactarian and Killer Green Jam) februari 2nd, 2002: Geleen, Santa Fe See you soon !! Marcel Coenen Guitarist Sun Caged / Stormrider http://www.marcelcoenen.com email: mcoenen@home.nl icq: 22168027 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5951 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===