YTSEJAM Digest 5946 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Shadow Gallery by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress 2) RE: Shadow Gallery by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 3) Yit C Jam by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 4) another yahoo football pick 'em game by Partha Mukhopadhyay 5) SPANISH MAILINGLIST by Fielding Mellish 6) G3 again by rob denni 7) Re: SPANISH MAILINGLIST by "Andre Navarro" 8) Mullmuzzler review by cheryl 9) ProgDay and Shadow Gallery by Bruce Duesterhoeft ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:33:01 -0400 From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: Actually that bio on Joe's page is wrong. I notified his webmaster quite some time ago and they have not changed it. Coldfire Aris wrote: > > Actually that is a half truth, at least according to www.bigbeatstudio.com > : > > (Referring to Joe Nevolo) > "...He also recorded and performed with Adrian Dodz and he recorded and > completed a > European tour that included 3 countries with the highly touted band, Shadow > Gallery (Magna > Carta Records)." > > dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:09:13 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A05A8AEA6@ISDCRE00> Shadow Gallery has -Never- played a single LIVE show. They do not tour. They are a studio band. So you won't hear any boots.. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: email_address_removed [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Shadow Gallery > > I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was > wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to > tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have > toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they > are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks. > > GreG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:55:19 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Yit C Jam Message-ID: <001301c12fea$9c774740$message_id_removed> > From: "Mariano Gil" > Friends, I would love to do this fantasy Metallica/Megadeth tour, but > only after knowing that James is ok. A lot of love in this room. > From: Scott Hansen > Well, apparently it was Vai instead of Petrucci who had something to say in > Chi-town then - at all three southern CA shows, Petrucci was a helluva lot > more talkative than Vai. At the first G3 show, a few years back, Vai was talking a lot, and had the most crowd interaction out of any show I've ever seen, up until then, and still, today. If you have the cd, there's that whole part where he's controlling the volume of the crowds screams etc. It was wild. The second G3 show a year or so later, he was more quiet, but still spoke now and then. This show, I clearly remember him introducing some tunes, and talking up Virgil etc. But his show was more about a dream team band this year than ever I have seen him. And he had less time to stretch than he would at a normal show. > > I deny that Vai put on the EXACT same show every night. It's not possible. > > OK fine - Vai's performance in LA sucked compared to the first two gigs - > not that he played bad that night, but he certainly was not "on" like he was > the previous two nights. Other than his actual performance it was the same > EXACT show - I saw three shows - how many did you see? "You misunderstand my point" Scott. :) Maybe you have to be a guitarist or extremely well versed in Vai's note choice to hear these things, but there are clearly spots in most of the songs he played where he was improvising. Having seen Vai about 6 times in my life, I don't believe he played the same things on those spots. You're talking about "jokes" and "setlists" and "crowd interactions" etc, and I'm talking about music. And you're conveniently ignoring the whole thing about theater as compared to music. You want to talk about boring? I went on the last east coast tour following DT. You know what kicked so much ass about that? Hanging out with all of the Ytses all over the east coast that I would otherwise never have met in person. Dream Theater played just about the exact same sets every night. They didn't have any special jokes to tell etc. It was just the playing etc. To this day, I still can not listen to Peruvian Skies. In fact, I haven't listened to any Dream Theater since the last time they came through Chicago, except for that B Sides rarities disc you hooked me up with. > I said something along the lines of "he didn't seem to know what to do - he > was definitely out of his element". I don't think I read that. My mistake. > Wrong Chris - you ASSumed that I want to see "stationary" prog Bah. Nice. You only LOOK 17, Scott. You don't have to ACT it. Hehehe > turned off. The one thing you seem to neglect to really address was my point > of spontaneity. I don't expect Vai to change his setlist, I don't expect him > not to pull all the fancy tricks - what I *do* expect is that each show feel > unique and fresh (if you happen to see him multiple nights), and that my > friend was what was lacking when I saw him the second and third nights - it > seemed as if he was on autopilot. It's possible. He's human (or at least half-human... I'm not sure on that) But I'm just as inclined to say it could be YOU. You're human too. I have ruined concerts for myself because I wasn't in the right state of mind... I was purely miserable on my first Iron Maiden show because I wasn't in the mood to be sweated on and pushed by a crowd. I just don't see Vai being as cookie cutter as you point him out to be, and I KNOW that Dream Theater can be that cookie cutter and I have never seen you complain. I think you're picking and choosing who you're going to allow to bore you. :) > > It is precisely like someone else said, with stand up comics. > > Most do NOT ad lib much of their shows. > > I agree - BUT if you go to see them at multiple shows, I'm sure you still > feel that you've seen them at a different show - one night they might pick > on a couple sitting in the front row - the next night they might hit on some > cute chick sitting a row or two back, etc. No, I mean I have seen the guys I named do pretty much the EXACT same bits on multiple occasions, in the same order. > > At least within the context of the songs, there is often some significant > > change and experimentation. > > Ah, but there wasn't on this tour, or at least I certainly didn't hear any > changes, save for Virgil Donati's killer drum solo. Again, I am inclined to believe, hate me if you will, that you must be a G (as in Guitarist hehehe) to understand everything that goes on in a Vai set. It's just like how I had NO IDEA that Mike Mangini was on Virgil's level, and ABOVE Virgil's level, in many ways (including double bass) after seeing him with Vai several times. Being a G and not a D, I missed a lot of the complex subtleties and several of the technical variations. Vai improvises parts of most of his tunes. He changes the way he physically plays many of the parts of his tunes. Perhaps you have to know what to look for, or you have to be paying attention to him, rather than the whole show in order to truly see what's up. > On a little side note - Chris, are you coming to NAMM this year? Waiting to hear from Smutpants (Jeff Storck... the dude I went with the last 2 years). I am teaching again instead of selling my soul for web dev $$$ so maybe my shop can get me my own passes... otherwise, I hope it's not too late for the Dr_Mosh hook-up. :) This year should be an important year there for me, because I should have a CD done that I can hand out and beg for free loot. :) - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: another yahoo football pick 'em game Message-ID: college football this time, but I'm offering the same prize, a single disc roio from my yet meager collection.....go to fantasysports.yahoo.com and click on the "college football pick 'em" on the left side panel group ID: 3000 group password: tarkus and, just in case the last msg on this topic didn't make it through, i got a pro pick 'em thing set up at the same site, with group ID: 1512 group password: tarkus (So I got no imagination) only 6 signed up for the pro thingy....them's pretty good odds, I think, and if you win both, you can grab a 2 disc boot..... partha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fielding Mellish To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SPANISH MAILINGLIST Message-ID: Hi! for those who speak spanish in this list there's now a good DT mailing list. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Metropolis-t and join!! Nos vemos ahi!! ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni To: ytsejam Subject: G3 again Message-ID: I hate to keep this thread going, so I swear this is the last I say. Chris brags consistently that he went to 3 G3 shows in California. First off, I wish I could just AFFORD 3 G3 tix in California(i maybe mistaken, but I think those were the most expensive tix on the tour) much less GO to 3 shows! Some of us have lives and live too far away from most of the tour to make it practicle to go to multiple shows. Second, if I could go to more than one show on a tour, it would not bother me to see the exact same show. If you don't want the same show from the same ppl, start going to jazz shows or stop going to multiple shows period. Oh, and remember, it is a "SHOW". ==== Rob Denni 3008 Tallwood Way Augusta, GA 30906 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:31:48 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SPANISH MAILINGLIST Message-ID: >< Hi! for those who speak spanish in this list there's now a good DT mailing list. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Metropolis-t and join!! Nos vemos ahi!! >< just in case you didnt know, there alredy exists a spanish DT mailing list, pretty good too... www.venskies.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:18:35 -0700 From: cheryl To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mullmuzzler review Message-ID: This should rock! :-) http://www.knac.com/servlet/Article_Page?articleID 373 cheryl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:03:21 -0400 From: Bruce Duesterhoeft To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ProgDay and Shadow Gallery Message-ID: I will be at ProgDay this coming weekend. Hopefully a few jammers will be in attendance. I will be in a Blue 10X10 Canopy Tent - either wearing a Dream Theater shirt or I will hang a shirt outside on the tent. Look to see you there. - BRUCE > DAVE NEFF SAID: > > In the late 80's, I was lucky enough to be at the right place > at the right time and saw them play many times in their former > incarnation known as "Sorcerer". One of my most favorite local > bands! That Ron guy that used to play guitar for them was great. > If memory serves, Carl was a projectionist at the Boyd theater > in Bethlehem at the time. :) > "Osiris, god of the underworld" > Heh, after all this time, I still remember that one. > > -Dave from Nazareth (back then) > > ------------------------------ AND YOU DIDN'T CALL ME TO GO - YOU OLD BASTARD!!! - DUESTER ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5946 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===