YTSEJAM Digest 5940 Today's Topics: 1) Re: My 15 minutes of fame by "Kevin Hammer" 2) Meshuggah by Michael & Pamela Nazer 3) extreme progressive bands by "Lawrence" 4) Helloween news by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 5) Magic Bag & Spock's Beard - New Info by Andrew Coutermarsh 6) Entertainment by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 7) Re: Entertainment by "Internet Solutions Inc" 8) One more thing on Vai by "Chris Ptacek" 9) dancing, energy and fun stuff on stage by email_address_removed 10) Vai rehearsed again by rob denni 11) Angular playing (was Re: One more thing on Vai) by Rick Audet 12) pro pick 'em thingy at yahoo by Partha Mukhopadhyay 13) jelly jam!?? by "Tim Detman" 14) Ytse-Opeth fans,new video is available to download by "Emre Topuzoglu"email_address_removed.tr 15) Re: Entertainment by Eric George 16) Re: jelly jam!?? by Eric George 17) Re: Entertainment by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:02:51 -0400 From: "Kevin Hammer" To: Subject: Re: My 15 minutes of fame Message-ID: > > First.. what the Magic Bag did to Spocks Beard Sux According to the club, all of this is a mix up that has been settled and SB has agreed to post an appology on their website. > Check out Tuesday's edition of the Wall Street Journal, Page B3 > > That's me ... My only moment of fame :) Check out the September issue of Electronic Musician, page 90 That's me :) > Dream Theater are gods! No, they have to all have beards before they can be gods ;) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:06:45 -0500 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer To: ytsejam Subject: Meshuggah Message-ID: > Something else, unrelated. Tool will be touring the US soon with Meshuggah > (hot damn!) as support. Old news, most likely, but I haven't seen any > mention of it here yet. I will be going to that show in a couple of weeks, I just heard yesterday about Meshuggah opening for tool. Could someone tell me about meshuggah(I know nothing about them) and a cd recommendation or two would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Pam "Hi" John Myung, 8/23/1998 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:46:25 +1000 From: "Lawrence" To: Subject: extreme progressive bands Message-ID: <002c01c12b19$40449de0$8663a1ca@mike> Just wanted to recommend some bands Ive been getting into, for those of you who are into the more extreme bands with prog influences (like Meshuggah, strapping young lads, cradle of filth, soilwork etc) One of my favourites Dillinger Escape Plan, even better than Meshuggah and a long the same lines with polyrythyms, allan holdsworth style tension. For some really speedy, enormously complex black metal, grab some Gorguts. These guys are unparallelled. Think along the lines of Opeth's heavy sections played at double speed. For those of you looking for something a little different check out Discordance Axis. Forget 3 minute radio friendly song, or 10 minute wank fest, these guys' songs clock in around the 40 second mark mostly and are totally brutal. great great stuff. Finally, theres an incredible band people should check out called Refused. Ok we're getting out of prog territory here, but you could call these guys are progressive punk. But disregarding genre, this is a really strong band. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:56:20 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Helloween news Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A05A8ADA0@ISDCRE00> This was posted by Antoine on the Symphony X mailing list: "Posted by Tony on August 21, 2001 at 19:59:20: Well......not much to tell you other than I just got off of the phone with Weiki and we had about a 2 hour conversation. Roland and Uli are not in the band anymore. Helloween is not breaking up. The band will announce replacements sometime down the road. I will have an official statement from Sanctuary Management sometime in the next couple days. So for right now I am not revealing anymore details other than the fact Uli and Roland are not in the band. I am also not updating the News section officially until I receive the official statement. A few things are certain: 1. Helloween is not breaking up 2. I will stay in touch with Roland Grapow )he still is a good friend of mine) and I will try to keep up with Uli from time to time but I don't know him as well. Uli is the one guy in the band I never really got to know as well as the others. More to follow shortly......and more info will surely come when I interview some bandmembers on the Helloween Marathon, or a former member (Roland) whom I have not heard from in 3 weeks if he decided he still wants to be on. That's all I have to say for now. More to follow...... -Tony" And while I was at it I found another interesting one before you guys start dreaming :) : "Posted by Tony on August 22, 2001 at 04:19:31: Kai Hansen is by NO MEANS replacing Roland Grapow and there is not going to be a reunion. Any of you who think this will happen are dreaming and living in a different reality. Its just not going to happen. The band has several replacements in mind......Kai is NOT one of them. And NO, Michael Kiske is NOT joining the band either. There is not going to be any sort of reunion, so anyone who thinks its going to happen can dream on. -Tony" Antoine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Magic Bag & Spock's Beard - New Info Message-ID: Here's an email from Neal Morse that a forum member posted to Mike Portnoy's forum: Hi Jim, here's my statement re-magic bag: Magic Bag says: > "The Spock's Beard situation is a dead issue. We paid the band what > they were contracted as per their booking agent. Whatever the problem > was, it was with the band, their management and their booking agent. > The band has apologised to us for dissing us on their web-site > (they've pulled the diss from the site) and has promised us that they > would post an apology on their web-site in the future." Neal Morse says: Well, I'm sure no one in Spock's Beard has apologized or promised the Magic Bag that we're going to post a retraction. That I can tell you. This proves to me that there's some problem with the truth happening here. At any rate, I decided to pull the Magic Bag statement off the website because I felt it was time. Enough negative stuff....on to the next thing....who's got the time? Not because anything has changed. The fact remains it's the agent's word verses the club. Our agent stands by what he's said in the past. I believe the agent because a) we've done two tours with the guy and never had a conflict like this and b) the lowest guarantee we had on the whole tour was $800.00, and since The Bag was one of the first to book us, and we've played there before, why would the agent take such a low fee? It doesn't make any sense. But, since there's certainly a gray area here, let's all drop it and move on. That's all. Back to music, Neal Morse ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Never pet a burning dog. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:28:57 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Entertainment Message-ID: <001d01c12b40$b2938c40$message_id_removed> To tie this whole Vai/Petrucci/MICHAEL.ANGELO. thing together, who was I standing in front of in the line to get into G3? None other, than mister Mike A. Batio himself. Nice guy. Met him on several other occaisions. Very jaded about the way the music industry is, but very dedicated to doing the thing that is important to him. I respect that, even though his music is tough to listen to. Vai is a SHOWMAN. He SHOWS OFF, because that MAKES CROWDS GO NUTS. You may be a prog nerd. We may all be prog nerds. We may want a group of people to stand still, wearing flowy silk shirts, doing complex things with their instruments, without cracking a smile. You know what? That makes YOU THE WEIRD ONE. When NORMAL PEOPLE go to concerts, they want to be entertained differently than just spinning up a CD. They want a SHOW. If you went to see a play on tour, in Chicago, LA and NY, would you complain that it was the same show every time? Vai may not do it for you, but it seems pretty goofy to get all in a huff because he's trying to entertain people. If you didn't notice, Vai gets pretty spectacular crowd response. I have been at DT shows with much less response, and Vai generally doesn't even include VOCALS. I have boots of shows where LaBrie is frustrated with lame bored crowds. Speaking as a musician, it sucks to say this, but WHAT YOU DO on the stage is sometimes more important than what you play. I have played instrumental improv shows to 50 people who have gone nuts, even though they don't know me, and don't know what I'm about to play, and I have played in front of larger crowds who seemed uneffected even though the music was much more solid at those gigs. Most people don't care about your time sigs as much as they care about stick twirls. They don't care about a synchronized run as much as they care about something that "looks" complicated. They don't care about big chords and polyrhythms as much as they care about being able to groove. They're not wrong for that... they're just not musicians, and they're paying to have a good time, not to study your technique. Vai is playing for the people who want to enjoy the show, not for the people who want to transcribe his licks. I think that'd be about the most intelligent thing you could do, in terms of making a living, keeping fans, and getting new fans. There's no lack of integrity... just a lack of anal retentive progressive butt-rock vibe. G3: Petrucci - Most technically interesting set. Vai - Most entertaining and energetic set (and best drummer by light years) Satriani - most MUSICAL set. Chris - PS - I just heard a rumor that Sherinian is now playing keyboard for Yngwie "Fucking" Malmsteen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:45:29 -0400 From: "Internet Solutions Inc" To: Subject: Re: Entertainment Message-ID: <000f01c12b42$ff78d770$39351ec8@atenas> > > - PS - I just heard a rumor that Sherinian is now playing keyboard for > Yngwie "Fucking" Malmsteen. Yeah, according to Derek, they have an agreement, Derek plays Yngwie's tour, and yngwie plays on Dereks next solo cD.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:55:38 -0500 From: "Chris Ptacek" To: Subject: One more thing on Vai Message-ID: <002a01c12b44$6d281b40$message_id_removed> You know, I just have to say one more thing. I started playing guitar when I was 11. Vai is largely responsible for that. His stage antics and all that goofy "too cool for words" kind of stage presence in the videos really blew my mind. That, combined with the fact that he is one of the world's premiere technical players, and an incredibly innovative guitarist (he is able to make sounds with a guitar that Petrucci would have to study to figure out). When I started, there was no Dream Theater, and John Petrucci was slicing sandwiches. He's one of my favorite players, of course, but if I had seen Dream Theater videos back then, there's NO WAY they would have impacted me like Vai did. As such, Vai is largely responsible for my happiness as a player... he ignited the spark, BECAUSE he's such a bad ass, technically and visually. You may say to yourself "I'm not 11 years old." but I challenge you to do a little bit of research. Some people have a bit of a bloated impression of how complex Dream Theater's music is. Steve Vai spent years playing with Frank Zappa. The music they played is considerably more complex harmonically and in many senses, technically than what Dream Theater plays. Fast guitars, and fast drums etc, are only ONE function... there are so many other dynamics to music. I could have a student playing Erotomania in under 2 years of practice, but to get someone to be capable of playing some of that wild Zappa stuff would take a hell of a lot more. Even when it comes to speedy shred stuff, most of what JP does is pattern based, and though generally perfect, it comes from easier shred techniques (his alternate picking approach is a much simpler concept than Vai's angular playing, SWING feel, and then some. Petrucci has an extreme command over the kinesics of playing guitar, whereas Vai has a profoundly more complete command over the actual INSTRUMENT). Feel and style are SO much tougher than technique! Remember, Vai comes from the early school of bad ass shredders. He has all of the shred chops, and a bunch more... things that JP could do, but not without a great deal of practice. They're different people. Vai has really taken Frank's advice to "Keep a sense of humor in the music" to heart. Petrucci is very much more into the whole "Follow in the footsteps of your heroes" kind of thing, with all of the DiMeola and Morse in his playing etc. Those are totally divergent approaches to guitar playing and music. I pitty anyone who is unable to enjoy either one of them. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 2001 19:53:23 -0000 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: dancing, energy and fun stuff on stage Message-ID: It's me again. I saw Live in Tokyo again, (as I mentioned earlier, MP actually climbs his drum kit!) and i realized that LiT is a more energetic show than Scenes from New York. Notice how JP jumps towards the camera in Take the Time, and his communication with the fans - waving, making faces, "trying to hear what they're saying" and so on, the entire show. Myung is - of course - "The Silent Man", but still this show is better than SfNY in the sense that DT does not only perform their show, they do it to - and most importantly WITH - the fans. However - and let me make sure I am crystal clear on this - "Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York" RULES!!! (no matter how tame their stage coreography or stage-act might be...) -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni To: ytsejam Subject: Vai rehearsed again Message-ID: I think my point was missed. This guy has seen G3 three nights in a row, and he complains only of Vai being too rehearsed and repetative from night to night. I guess because JP and Satch don't were costumes and jump around and play a "show", its okay for them to be repetative and rehearsed from night to night. I'd rather put up with Vai's repetativeness than Satch's any day. ==== Rob Denni 3008 Tallwood Way Augusta, GA 30906 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Angular playing (was Re: One more thing on Vai) Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Chris Ptacek wrote: > Even when it comes to speedy shred stuff, most > of what JP does is pattern based, and though > generally perfect, it comes from easier shred > techniques (his alternate picking approach is > a much simpler concept than Vai's angular > playing, SWING feel, and then some. Please tell us more about this angular playing you mentioned. I'm not familiar with this technique. Thanks, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: email_address_removed Subject: pro pick 'em thingy at yahoo Message-ID: Just set up a group for the pro pick 'em game at yahoo, free for anyone with a yahoo ID.....I'm offering a roio from my still meager collection as prize, not only because that's what this list is all about, but since that's what we did last year (and the year before, come to think to it), so if you think you know futbol (as it's spelled on Galavision), and can handle picking against the spread, why don't you hop on over to fantasysports.yahoo.com, click on the Pro Pick 'em link, and join the private group entitled Prog pickers the Group ID you'll need to use is 1512 and the password (don't know if you'll need this) is tarkus (in all small letters) I'll set up a college pick 'em group when they offer that, with the same prize, so keep an eye out for my e-mail regarding that. Hope to get a few people in on this! Partha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:19:00 -0700 From: "Tim Detman" To: Subject: jelly jam!?? Message-ID: from hardradio.com: "On November 13th, InsideOut will be releasing a new project called THE JELLY JAM featuring Ty Tabor (KING'S X) on guitar and vocals, John Myung (DREAM THEATER) on bass and Rod Morgenstein (THE DIXIE DREGS) on drums." Anybody know anything about this? This is first I saw it. Sounds interesting. -tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 101 03:52:54 GMT From: "Emre Topuzoglu"email_address_removed.tr To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ytse-Opeth fans,new video is available to download Message-ID: check www.bootlegmania.8m.com new video is awesome,full the drapery falls live.. audio is great with a suprise. Emre, ------------------------------ ISPRO Internet Servisleri http://www.ispro.net.tr/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Entertainment Message-ID: > > > > - PS - I just heard a rumor that Sherinian is now playing keyboard for > > Yngwie "Fucking" Malmsteen. > > Yeah, according to Derek, they have an agreement, Derek plays Yngwie's > tour, and yngwie plays on Dereks next solo cD.. > please, someone tell me where they heard this through the proverbial grapevine???? very cool stuff IMO, if it's true. link, anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: jelly jam!?? Message-ID: http://www.dreamtheater.net/news.htm check out the "news" section of dreamtheater.net. the platypus segment mentions simply that platypus has disbanded, and that 2 other projects have developed from it. they are as follows: Jelly Jam (members as listed in previous post) (this other project has no name yet) Ty Tabor (again) Derek Sherinian Gregg Bissonette Matt Bissonette that's a little taste of things to come. don't know if any of the individual artists have further info on their sites or not. worth checking out though. peace. -eric On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Tim Detman wrote: > from hardradio.com: > "On November 13th, InsideOut will be releasing a new project called THE > JELLY JAM featuring Ty Tabor (KING'S X) on guitar and vocals, John Myung > (DREAM THEATER) on bass and Rod Morgenstein (THE DIXIE DREGS) on drums." > > Anybody know anything about this? This is first I saw it. Sounds > interesting. > > -tim > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:08:07 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Entertainment Message-ID: i asked derek on AIM...he confirmed it.. i first saw it posted on the mikeportnoy.com forums Eric George wrote: > > > please, someone tell me where they heard this through the proverbial > grapevine???? very cool stuff IMO, if it's true. link, anyone? -- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5940 ************************** === Contributions to ytsejam: ytsejam@torchsong.com === === Send requests to: ytsejam-request@torchsong.com === === Brought by the ghost of ytsejam@arastar.coms past === === Reach the owner of this list at: ytsejam-owner@torchsong.com ===