YTSEJAM Digest 5880 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Question for transformers fans ! by Chris Oates 2) Re: Iced Earth by Robert Taylor 3) Re: Question for transformers fans ! by "Glenn Fitzgerald" 4) SPAM, Tool and many other things by "Charles Farrell" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5879 by "Mike and Susan Verstraete" 6) Yay! I'm caught up! by "Jason Birzer" 7) Save $5 at CDNOW... by Michael Kizer 8) New CD Now discount coupon by "Miguel Farah F." 9) Business Advertisement: by email_address_removed 10) Requiem for a dream by "Nicholas Sakkos" 11) Re: SPAM, Tool and many other things by Graham Borland 12) Profit Wisely by mercury99@aeci.es 13) Re: new live album/ Non DT content by "Shadow Mage" 14) Re: new live album/ Non DT content by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 15) Re: fan club rants by "Shadow Mage" 16) Re: 3CD set by "Shadow Mage" 17) Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs by "Shadow Mage" 18) Re: 3CD set by Brian D Hayden 19) Re: PoS (pun intended) by "Shadow Mage" 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5879 by Chris Elder 21) Re: Requiem for a dream by Michael Kizer 22) FREE RENTAL CAR! by email_address_removed.cl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:22:28 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question for transformers fans ! Message-ID: 1. The Touch - Stan Bush 2. Instruments Of Destruction - N.R.G. 3. Death Of Optimus Prime - Vince Dicola 4. Dare - Stan Bush 5. Nothin's Gonna Stand In Our Way - Spectre General 6. The Transformers (Theme) - Lion 7. Escape - Vince Dicola 8. Hunger - Spectre General 9. Autobot/Decepticon Battle - Vince Dicola 10. Dare To Be Stupid - 'Weird Al' Yankovic This is the same as the casette version, which I have. Never heard of a 2CD version. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:56:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Taylor To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Iced Earth Message-ID: I have Iced Earth's newest "Horrow Show." I'm not sure if it's out world-wide, yet. I think it's official release is June 26th or so. I got the limited edition through Alta Mira (it has a bonus disc with a cover of Iron Maiden's "Transylvania" and a 68 minute interview with John Schaffer (guitarist of Iced Earth)). I've only had the chance to listen to it once so far, so I can by no stretch of the imagination provide an accurate description of the CD. But from what I remember, it was good...heavy..has a couple nine minute "epic" tracks. Robert Taylor email_address_removed http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:45:44 -0400 From: "Glenn Fitzgerald" To: Subject: Re: Question for transformers fans ! Message-ID: <006401c0f2bf$de866980$message_id_removed> > > Can someone please send me the tracklist of the Original Transformers The Movie Soundtrack ? > 1. The Touch - Stan Bush 2. Instruments Of Destruction - NRG 3. Death Of Optimus Prime - Vince DiCola 4. Dare - Stan Bush 5. Nothin's Gonna Stand In Our Way - Spectre General 6. The Transformers (Theme) - Lion 7. Escape - Vince DiCola 8. Hunger - Spectre General 9. Autobot / Deception Battle - Vince DiCola 10. Dare to Be Stupid - Weird Al Yankovic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:12:12 +0100 From: "Charles Farrell" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: SPAM, Tool and many other things Message-ID: Well, one practical way we could all help to make the spam less irritating would be to increase the number of list-relevant posts we make. The last couple of Jams have actually contained some relevant content, even if it was old news to me - there used to be a time, when you'd hear things first on the Jam :-( As for Skadz, when I dared to complain, it was hinted to me that he was somewhat occupied with family matters. Anyone know if this is the case? because sometimes it might be useful to have a deputy do those tiresome list-admin things - I'm sure that the necessary expertise exists on the list. >>>"Paul Tadday" writes: >>> What was the setlist?? > > From: Graham Borland > Don't have a clue. I only know the names of two songs - > "The Grudge" and "Schism" - both of which they played. I did > recognise a few more, but I've no idea what they're called. Yeah - Schism is cool - I guess you'll do better with the setlist on Saturday night :-) I still haven't bought 'V' yet or a ticket for the Beard, but I will be there I think - I may need some help with the setlist. Who else are you bringing down from Glasgow? And talking about deadbeat list-owners :-) I tried to rejoin the Spocks Beard list last week and my subscription is still pending. And talking about blasts from the past > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:11:12 +0200 > From: Arash Ashouriha well ... I remember the time when a jam didn't go by without a posting by Arash or his brother. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:12:07 -0500 From: "Mike and Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5879 Message-ID: <000701c0f2d4$525a1dc0$985299d1@homewks> I agree with Todd and Dave, The spam has taken the fun out of this forum. Let's get this back on track before we lose more people. Mike > > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:14:31 -0500 > From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" > To: > Subject: RE: Another defector. > Message-ID: <01f201c0f20b$7d1e3e70$message_id_removed> > > > While I'm not at the point of unsubbing, I certainly share Dave's sentiment. > Can anyone see the positive impact of the supposed "SPAM filters" that are > being used? I show 14 SPAMS coming to the list so far this month. That > compares to 10 by this time in May, 15 from April 1st - 10th, and 8 from 3-1 > to 3-10. What good are these filters doing again? They certainly aren't > providing us with less SPAM. > > tk > > -----Original Message----- > ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Dave Peterson > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:05 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Another defector. > > > > That's it, guys. I'm done with this list for now. The list owner > doesn't give a shit about this place and it only is getting worse with > time. If, for some reason, this list ever rids itself of all this > spam, please spread the word and I'll happily come back. In the mean > time, I'm not going to pretend this is "okay" anymore. > > Skadz, you used to be cool - but you don't contribute anymore and you > refuse to acknowledge that this list needs to be overhauled. > > So I'm going to do what everyone else here is afraid to do. Say this: > > Fuck you, Skadz!!! > > Thanks for nothing, ya deadbeat listowner. > > - Dr. Teeth > > P.S. Damn right I'm bitter. I used to love this place. > > __________________________________________________ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:36:25 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" To: "The Jam" Subject: Yay! I'm caught up! Message-ID: <015801c0f2e0$268dd7c0$b6ca19d8@phoenix> Yes, after months of being behind reading this list, I've finally caught up, so I can actually contribute now. :^) BTW, I will be at the DC G3 show. 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------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:21:00 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new live album/ Non DT content Message-ID: A really long time ago, Kurt sed: >< And I say: That guy scares me. I first took notice of him when I was listening to Track 4 on 'Obsolete,' when it says "I will tear your mind away" and there's this huge (although short) double-bass drum roll. Then I started listening to "Zero Signal" a lot. He is definitely one of the best drummers I've ever heard. Just another handful of change from me, --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:31:53 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new live album/ Non DT content Message-ID: Shadow Mage wrote: > That guy scares me. I first took notice of him when I was listening to > Track 4 on 'Obsolete,' when it says "I will tear your mind away" and there's > this huge (although short) double-bass drum roll. Then I started listening > to "Zero Signal" a lot. He is definitely one of the best drummers I've ever > heard. > > Just another handful of change from me, > > -- He is a machine with his feet, very awesome... but IMO (other drummers may comment) he is nothing special aside from that and definately not one of the best drummers... one of the best double bass in the business yes, but from the torso up, he is nothing IMO... Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:49:42 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fan club rants Message-ID: corvin sed: >work, I just don't think it will be worth $6.25 an issue w/o the yearly CD.>< And I say: If any of you remember, the DTIFC says somewhere that you get, for $25 a year, 4 fanzines and "any other promotional material that the band wishes to send out" or something like that. In other words, the band could (if they so chose) send us Christmas CDs with rare material (like awesome Jordan Rudess techno solos:), home videos of what they're doing in the studio, posters, CDs of their progress on the new album with every newsletter, or anything else that they want to give us. The fact that they have only been doing the Christmas CDs the past few years does not mean that that is all they CAN do, or that they will not put more stuff in them in the future. I, for one, will probably renew my subscription on the off-chance that I may end up with something truly spectacular as a gift from the band. And everyone else that doesn't resubscribe will undoubtably complain when they don't get it. Somebody call a waaaaaaaaaambulance. Just one guy's opinion, --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:58:18 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 3CD set Message-ID: Graham sed: >months before it's official release. But nothing beats the feeling of knowing that the artist's hard work is pissed up against the wall and the joy of knowing that these mp3's are ripping off the bands. Like they need the money.>< I say: Well, this kinda ties in with the ancient Napster argument that I will NOT revive. Anytime you "rip off" the bands, you are in fact screwing yourself and all the other fans. How, you might ask? Well, it just kinda hit me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but some bands produce themselves, right? And those bands have total (or at least near-total) creative control, correct? Well, if a band can't afford to produce themselves, then they go to, say, Beartracks studios and let someone else take over control of their albums. So when a band like DT can't afford to have complete control over their albums due to the money they lose when people download their albums instead of buying them, we end up with albums like the studio version of 'Falling Into Infinity' instead of the awesome album it should have been, since the producers want something that will feel more "mainstream." If all you complainers want DT to be more original and put out more experimental music, then consider actually PURCHASING some of their stuff! I guess this could tie into the 3CD Live thing, too. Anyway, this all makes sense to me... I'm almost halfway through the last half-month's collection of 'Jams! --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:12:16 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs Message-ID: Somebody sed: >< OK, I don't get this. Some people complain about DT always playing the same stuff the same way, and other say that they want overdubs on a LIVE album, so it'll sound like a studio recording? The squeaks and minor changes in stuff is what makes the live album worth releasing and purchasing! --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:13:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian D Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 3CD set Message-ID: Boy, you're stupid. Creative control is determined by label pressure, not whether or not a band can afford to produce themselves. Why do you think you need money to produce yourself, anyway? If the label is paying for the studio/production costs either way (or advancing you the money to recoup out of your sales, more exactly), the only effect hiring a producer has financially is that a bigger chunk of change gets "recouped" out of your paycheck later on. You have to pay producers, remember? Sheesh. That was the lamest anti-"pirating" argument I've heard yet. -brian On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Shadow Mage wrote: > > Graham sed: > > > >months > before it's official release. > But nothing beats the feeling of knowing that the artist's hard work is > pissed up against > the wall and the joy of knowing that these mp3's are ripping off the bands. > > Like they need the money.>< > > I say: > > Well, this kinda ties in with the ancient Napster argument that I will NOT > revive. Anytime you "rip off" the bands, you are in fact screwing yourself > and all the other fans. How, you might ask? Well, it just kinda hit me. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but some bands produce themselves, right? And > those bands have total (or at least near-total) creative control, correct? > Well, if a band can't afford to produce themselves, then they go to, say, > Beartracks studios and let someone else take over control of their albums. > So when a band like DT can't afford to have complete control over their > albums due to the money they lose when people download their albums instead > of buying them, we end up with albums like the studio version of 'Falling > Into Infinity' instead of the awesome album it should have been, since the > producers want something that will feel more "mainstream." If all you > complainers want DT to be more original and put out more experimental music, > then consider actually PURCHASING some of their stuff! I guess this could > tie into the 3CD Live thing, too. Anyway, this all makes sense to me... > > I'm almost halfway through the last half-month's collection of 'Jams! > > --96 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:37:32 -0500 From: "Shadow Mage" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: Someone sed: >< Are you by chance a SymX fan? If so, have you noticed that TDWOT, from 1997, has a MUCH, MUCH better sound quality than TIO, released a year later? I personally would not have bought TDWOT if I had heard TIO first, because it sounds like an early-80's metal album, it's really retro-sounding. TDWOT, however, sounds very up-to-date, I would say as good as 'V.' --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:33:05 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5879 Message-ID: on 6/11/01 2:41 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > > Its seems to me DT is a prime candidate for going it solo. They already have > the connections, the talents and the knowledge to do it all themselves, in > many instances they have!! > > What do you all think? But doesn't the record label front the money for tours, merchandising, and such? That would be an awful lot of money DT would need to say 'later' to the record company. They would probably tour less. I for one would pay $20 for a new CD straight off their website if all the $$ is going to the band, as opposed to $15 to a record store or on-line store, where the record label gets the $$$. Sorta like the JP/JR "evening" CD. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:47:46 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Requiem for a dream Message-ID: At 12:26 AM 6/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Have you seen Pi?It's from the same director and has a killer soundtrack as >well. Yeah, Pi was a cool movie too... 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