YTSEJAM Digest 5875 Today's Topics: 1) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Chris Oates 2) Re: fan club rants by CyberDuke 3) Re: PoS (pun intended) by "Jenny Kim" 4) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Graham Boyle 5) YTSEWHINE by Greg Kristianson 6) cell ringtones by Joshua Rasiel 7) 3CD audio by Joshua Rasiel 8) EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT !!!!! by email_address_removed.co.uk 9) Re: PoS by Mike Patrick 10) pain of salvation by Dyne 11) Guitarist Update by Eric George 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874 by Chris Elder 13) "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" by "Paul W. Cashman" 14) re: PoS (pun intended) by Brian Hansen 15) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Graham Borland 16) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Graham Borland 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874 by Andreas Skarin 18) Perfect Father's Day Gift - FREE Satellite T.V.! 11865 by email_address_removed 19) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Graham Boyle 20) Re: PoS (pun intended) by Graham Borland 21) Xmas CD 2000: The Making Of Scenes From A Memory by "Tom White" 22) HEllo!! by "Dr. Mosh" 23) testing... by "Dr. Mosh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:41:48 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: At 12:51 PM 6/6/2001, you wrote: >Nothing inspired; nothing caught me off guard. Music like this is SUPPOSED >to catch you off guard. I dunno. I like it because even though they are playing heavy and progressive, it doesn't sound too progressive on the first listen, but it opens much deeper the more you do listen to it. Listen to the first few minutes of "Home" (the PoS song on One Hour...) -- You've got bass & drums repeating a riff in 5, while the piano plays a melody in 7 over it and drives the chord changes. That simple pulse in 5 is the same as the opening guitar riff in "Water" (the previous song) and also appears in a few other places. That kind of thing happens all over the place on this album., and that's why I thing PoS is a great band. Oh, and just so your flamesuit doesn't feel wasted, you're a complete fucking moron. You dare do disagree with me, therefore you have the brains of an ass (not the animal, the body part) :) (yes, this was a JOKE) The production is better on "The Perfect Element" but if you don't like Daniel's voice, you're kind of out of luck. He sings, plays guitar and (pretty much) writes all of the music and lyrics, so he's the main force of the band. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 00:27:30 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fan club rants Message-ID: > From: "Rob Pociluk" > Subject: Re: fan club rants > > I apologize for: 1. being stupid enough to continue this thread > and 2. for not knowing enough to turn off the fucking HTML. > DOH! > > ---- Begin Original Message ---- > Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:09:17 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Re: fan club rants > > ..... Add and HIGHLIGHT 3) For leaving the whole previous HTML mail below! :) Geez ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:28:31 -0700 From: "Jenny Kim" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID:

I've always kind of agreed about OHbtCL, but was too chickenshit to say anything about it. Everyone built it up so much that I thought I couldn't possibly go wrong buying it. Well I did. The songs just seem to wander around. Production horrible, yes. The only redeeming element (but not by much) I thought was the keyboardist. Some really crazy technical craziness...but I'd rather hear it coming from a guitar.

>From: David Dixon

>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com

>To: Multiple recipients of list

>Subject: PoS (pun intended)

>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT)

>I was very excited to see that my shipment from CDNow came today, containing

>the following:

>* Pain of Salvation - "Entropia"

>* Pain of Salvation - "One Hour by the Concrete Lake"

>* Soilwork - "A Predator's Portrait"

>I popped in OHbtCL and, after listening for a good 30 minutes, I must say I

>am pretty disappointed. Many of you guys hailed PoS like they were the

>goddamn second coming of DT. Shame on you - not even close! The production

>is bad (listen to that snare!), and the singer's voice, which was raved

>about by pretty much everybody, is nothing special. These guys sound like

>they are playing progressive and heavy JUST TO PLAY PROGRESSIVE AND HEAVY.

>Nothing inspired; nothing caught me off guard. Music like this is SUPPOSED

>to catch you off guard. I haven't listened to "Entropia" yet, but I'm not

>expecting much, especially because it predates OHbtCL, therefore the

>production will probably be worse. I don't doubt the talent of these guys,

>but the singer and engineer need to get their shit together before I will

>listen again. How is the production on their latest album?

>Now, Soilwork's disc is an entirely different story - these guys are tight!

>Very impressive. They sound very much like Nevermore TRY to sound like...

>:)

>So, anyway, for those of you still interested, my two PoS discs are up for

>sale - $9 a pop. Brand new today...

>Thanks,

>Dave Dixon

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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:32:14 +1000 From: Graham Boyle To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: David Dixon wrote: > Your gonna need it... > I popped in OHbtCL and, after listening for a good 30 minutes, I must say I > am pretty disappointed. Many of you guys hailed PoS like they were the > goddamn second coming of DT. Shame on you - not even close! The production > is bad (listen to that snare!), and the singer's voice, which was raved > about by pretty much everybody, is nothing special. First off this kind of music needs more than one listen, just like all great music. PoS are not immediate band, you time to spend more time with the CD's. Second, if you'd bothered to listen properly and for more than 30mins you hear that the production is very good indeed. And that there are different snare sounds throughout the album. With a number of songs having a different snare sounds to suit the song. > These guys sound like > they are playing progressive and heavy JUST TO PLAY PROGRESSIVE AND HEAVY. > Nothing inspired; nothing caught me off guard. Music like this is SUPPOSED > to catch you off guard. I haven't listened to "Entropia" yet, but I'm not > expecting much, especially because it predates OHbtCL, therefore the > production will probably be worse. I don't doubt the talent of these guys, > but the singer and engineer need to get their shit together before I will > listen again. How is the production on their latest album? Actually Entropia is a great album and a lot of PoS fans like it better than Concrete Lake. So again before mouthing off, at least give it a chance. Bottom line you are entitled to not like PoS, but you haven't really given them a chance. They play a different kind of prog metal, so maybe you just aren't used to their style. > Now, Soilwork's disc is an entirely different story - these guys are tight! > Very impressive. They sound very much like Nevermore TRY to sound like... > :) They sound nothing like Nevermore, try In Flames, but they are a tade more trashier. Great album though. graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:41:02 -0600 From: Greg Kristianson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: YTSEWHINE Message-ID: <3B1EB17E.51A35471@ucalgary.ca> So 'dis guy, Brian Hansen, he sez ta me... >>That would be ironic. My guess is that you're not talking about the same people though. People who love boots will probably pick up the official, live release too. On the other hand, maybe someone will want to argue the "fuckwit" case. Well, I definitely aimed that at those who used the fact that they owned boots with similar setlists to justify not buying the official release. We all know why that is unacceptable, so no need in rehashing it here. I myself enjoy boots that offer something out of the ordinary. I have the Scenes From Connecticut boot, which is identical to what was played the following night at the Roseland, but in no way could that be a viable substitute to the official live album. My balls tingle in anticipation... >>Agreed. I'm not a boot fan (as opposed to a booty fan). And you're correct, I'd much rather see a beautiful ass than hear it... Actually, one of my ex's had a nice looking *and* sounding ass. She could fart the entire Mikado on request. Heh, heh...I always had her beat with my hyper-lethal Dutch Oven, though. >>Hmmm. I think you're right there. If "fan" is really short for "fanatic", some of us must not be fans. But we still like them a lot. ;) I was using the term "fan" rather loosely, so yeah, I guess I meant to say "for people who like them a lot..." Greg-o ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:46:52 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: cell ringtones Message-ID: >So gang, where can I get some Dream Theater ringtones for my cell phone? There's a thread or two on this at mp.com. I haven't read it myself, but I'd certainly check that out. If it's not on the first page, try a subject search for "nokia". -josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:52:36 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 3CD audio Message-ID: >Why mix music in DD 5.1? *snip* My only complaint >with the mix is that the level seems really low. Well, I guess that's the main part of what I was saying. People keep complaining about the inexplicably low sound quality on this DVD, and I'm wondering if Atlantic *planned* that to insure sales of the live triple CD. That's the only reason I personally might buy it. -josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:02:55 -0400 From: email_address_removed.co.uk To: Subject: EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT !!!!! Message-ID: <0000269a2ef3$00000538$message_id_removed.ac.kr> EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT !!!!! EXPLOSIVE STOCK ALERT OPHIDIAN PHARMACEUTICALS INC (OTCBB: OPHD) HUGE NEWSLETTER COVERAGE THIS WEEK!!! This Friday OPHD will be profiled by some major newsletters. huge volume and a strong increase in price is expected for several days. The 52 week high for OPHD is $2.37 (approximately 5 times the current price). Needless to say there is huge upside potential for OPHD. We believe the stock could easily reach over $3 in a few weeks. Good luck and watch OPHD fly this week! DISCLAIMER: hotstocks cautions that stocks are high-risk investments and that some or all investment dollars can be lost. We suggest you consult a professional investment advisor before purchasing any stock. All opinions expressed in this newsletter are the opinions of hotstocks. We recommend you use the information found here as an initial starting point for conducting your own research and conduct your own due diligence on the featured company in order to determine your own personal opinion of the company before investing. for proper removal from this newsletter you must email: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Patrick To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS Message-ID: >I haven't listened to "Entropia" yet, but I'm >not expecting much, especially because it predates >OHbtCL, therefore the production will probably be >worse. Well, you may not like Gildenlow as a singer, and that'll probably whisk you right out of PoS land altogether, but... 1) Entropia is one of the greatest things ever recorded. 2) All the more stunning since it's their first album (and, yes, I too make the assumption that bands get better with time, so I shied away from Entropia at first too). Big mistake. 3) I've to say, I love Entropia and TPE, but I DON'T like Concrete Lake. It's simply too dark and brooding to me. Entropia's got all the funk and jazzy stuff, and so, really, does their latest, but OHbtCL just seems to be the band at a reall, dark, low place. Can't blame you there at all. 4) What's with me numbering everything? 5) PoS is NOT my favorite band, but I have NEVER seen a live performance from anyone like the one they pulled off at ProgPowerUSA. DT's very good live, but they're not even in the ballpark, and I think that others that were there might back me up on that. Anyway, DON'T trade Entropia until you listen at least once. It hit me like a ton of bricks and that was after I'd already been let waaaay down by OHbtCL. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:41:34 -0700 From: Dyne To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: pain of salvation Message-ID: its good to hear a lot of positives about POS. this is a great prog band, definately in the top 5 IMO. i recommend all to check out track one from the perfect element too. its no wonder why fans outside of prog like this group. a tune like that just never seems to get boring. not even close. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: "The 'Jam" Subject: Guitarist Update Message-ID: hey there jammers, the time has come to bring to your attention two fantastic guitar albums that i recently picked up. Michael Schenker's "The Odd Trio", and Tony Palacios' "Epic Tales of Whoa!" first, let's start with the schenker...... "The Odd Trio" appears right off the bat to be something totally uncharacteristic of what we've come to expect from michael over the past several albums. it, like the last few, is completely instrumental. however, whereas the last couple of albums, namely "Adventures Into the Imagination" & "Dreams and Expressions" were very lead-oriented (meaning lots of riffage & crazy soloing, weird breaks & times, etc.), this album tends to lend itself more to a groove-feel, with schenker holding back on some of the more extrenuous soloing for the sake of layering some really nice melodies & harmonies, both acoustic & electric. as before, it's only a trio (hence the name), with Harry Cobham on bass (never heard of him, but he's fantastic), and Kathy Brown on drums. this album is just a solid rock 'n roll instrumental, and shows a more groove-oriented, rhythm playing style of schenker. very tasty. now moving on to tony palacios. for those of you that have never heard of him, you NEED to check him out. he is by far one of the most inspired players i have ever heard, and "Epic Tales of Whoa!" displays this inspiration with flying colors. this album is a collection of so many different styles of playing, ranging from jazz, blues, ballad, world, to some Vai & Satch influences as well. i would say there's several glimpses of Steve Morse here as well. for you guitarists out there, as well as those that just eat guitar-instrumentals up at every chance, this is one of the most passionately played, inspired, and heartfelt collection of notes i've heard in a long, long time. this comes from one who owns every satch, vai, johnson, schenker, moore, schon, beck, & sheetz album out there. i haven't heard anything this refreshing in years. get up from the computer, get in the car, and get this now. you'll never regret it, promise. that's my review for the week. enjoy. in the next couple of days, i'll be snagging the new Sherinian disk, "Inertia". i've heard a couple tracks off of it, and it impressed the shit out of me. it's nothing like the previous two solo efforts. the line-up on the album is: Sherinian - Keys Zakk Wylde - Guitar Steve Lukather - Guitar Tony Franklin - Bass Simon Phillips - Drums and i say again, holy shit. has anyone else on the jam checked this disk out yet? what's it like all the way through? it really sounds like it explores a TON of different styles, but wondered if there were any other thoughts on it before i get it. that, as well as the "Niacin" project, with: John Novello - Hammond B3 Billy Sheehan - Bass Dennis Chambers - Drums can't wait to see what they're all about. there will most certainly be reviews once they've been good & listened too. peace out. -ryften NP - Tony Palacios "Epic Tales of Whoa!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 01:59:24 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874 Message-ID: on 6/6/01 3:20 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > Tho it appears that I am in the minority, I pay the $25 for the fanzines! I > have ever since I started subscribing to the fanzine all the way back to > when Awake was first released in 94 (well before the Xmas CDs were thought > of). So stick that in your pipe and smoke it! > > Scott Yes, but the $25 price tag is new as of '99. Before that it was $15 and probably cheaper early on. I would be satisfied with a $12-$15 fanzine. That is about $4 a pop. The $25 for just the fanzines is fucking ridiculous. I mean you can get a subscription to any magazine $5-$10+ less for a 12 months. Anyway... Corvin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:56:45 -0400 From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:09:00 -0400 > From: "Rob Pociluk" > Subject: Re: fan club rants > > > I apologize for: > 1. being stupid enough to continue this thread and > 2. for not knowing enough to turn off the fucking HTML. Uh, you forgot 3. being stupid enough to RE-quote the entire offending passage of HTML back to the Jam. Thanks SO much; it was so much more fascinating reading the second time around. :rolleyes: -- +--- Paul W. Cashman, email_address_removed ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: David Dixon wrote: > Pain of Salvation - "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" > I popped in OHbtCL and, after listening for a good 30 minutes, I must > say I am pretty disappointed. Many of you guys hailed PoS like they were the > goddamn second coming of DT. They are like DT in that everyone seems to have a different opinion of their various releases! I think the "The Perfect Element" is one of the best recordings ever, a pure 10/10. As for OHBtCL, I would probably be disappointed if that was my first listen to PoS. It's the least accessible of their recordings, IMHO. I tend to appreciate OHBtCL, but I don't love it like TPE. As for Entropia, that would be my second favorite PoS. Much easier to get into. You better pop that puppy in, and take out OHBtCL right now! > Shame on you - not even close! Well, if you're taking about TPE, I like it just as much as I&W and Awake. > The production is bad (listen to that snare!), Ah, a drum fanatic. Sorry, I never paid any attention to the miking or mix of the drummer. I hadn't noticed any production problems. I tend to listen more to the guitar and vocals. > I haven't listened to "Entropia" yet, but I'm not expecting much. That's good. You were probably suffering from overhype before your first listen to OHBtCL anyway. Better to not know what to expect, than to hear everyone rave first. > Soilwork's disc is an entirely different story - Now I may be suffering from overhype! I better check these guys out asap... my $.02, BH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 07 Jun 2001 16:26:55 +0100 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: Brian Hansen writes: > They are like DT in that everyone seems to have a different opinion > of their various releases! I think the "The Perfect Element" is one > of the best recordings ever, a pure 10/10. I bought this recently, and was very disappointed. I suppose I was also a victim of excessive hype. These guys are nowhere near DT, either in terms of musicianship or songwriting ability. Not even close. The guitar playing is sloppy and the songs all blur together and sound the same. Too repetitive. -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 07 Jun 2001 16:51:35 +0100 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: David Dixon writes: > > These guys are nowhere near DT, either in terms of musicianship or > > songwriting ability. Not even close. The guitar playing is sloppy and > > the songs all blur together and sound the same. Too repetitive. > > Dammit! Now I'm getting you two Grahams mixed up! You're all confusing me > - one of you likes PoS, one of you doesn't - AHH! ;) It's not the first time. I'm the "normal" Graham from Scotland who doesn't like PoS. The other Graham is the one from Australia who likes PoS, dresses in pink, and goes by the name of "Daisy" at weekends. -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:05:44 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5874 Message-ID: <3B1FB468.1600387F@sdts.nu> Chris Elder wrote: > The $25 for just the fanzines is fucking ridiculous. I mean you can ge= t a > subscription to any magazine $5-$10+ less for a 12 months. > Anyway... 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