YTSEJAM Digest 5874 Today's Topics: 1) DD 5.1 by "Ivan Navarro" 2) Re: fan club CD by Scott Hansen 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5872 by Dan Costello 4) Re: Re: fan club rants by "Rob Pociluk" 5) Re: live again by "Rob Pociluk" 6) Re: fan club rants by "Rob Pociluk" 7) RATES FOR MORTGAGES HAVE DROPPED by email_address_removed 8) potential insight as to what JP may play on G3 tour by Scott Hansen 9) DT ringtones by Chris Elder 10) RE: Soilwork by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 11) Re: YTSEWHINE by Brian Hansen 12) PoS (pun intended) by David Dixon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:13:29 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DD 5.1 Message-ID: Why mix music in DD 5.1? (BTW all DVD's which are not DTS are DD, this one just happens to be DD 2-Channel) I would say that that is direction music recording is going (i.e., DVD-Audio and future version of Sony SACD). But I'm glad they went with 2-channel for this DVD. Multichannel is supposed to add the ambience of the venue experienced during the original performance. Of course it will always be different from what you hear live due to the dependence on where the mics are vs. how your two ears perceive ambience from whatever spot you happened to be sitting in. A recording will NEVER reproduce a live event no matter how much the rocket scientist recording engineers try! I can totally understand why KS did not go with it. It would not be accurate because the mic'ing is all direct so it's not like you have a minimalist recording of a symphony with only a few mic's. The rear channel stuff would have to be artificial, and unless you have a lot of experience mixing in multichannel, chances are it would sound artificial or more likely just plain goofy! My only complaint with the mix is that the level seems really low. I have to crank up the volume much more than I would for a CD (but it doesn't make it sound worse just - just lower in level). Also, I found that when you try using the center channel (w/Dolby Pro-Logic) it is very mid-heavy (like someone else mentioned). Stick with plain stereo when listening to this DVD. End of techno-rambling, I-Man _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:37:53 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: fan club CD Message-ID: Mike C. asked: > Right, but how many people pay the $25 for just the fanzines? Tho it appears that I am in the minority, I pay the $25 for the fanzines! I have ever since I started subscribing to the fanzine all the way back to when Awake was first released in 94 (well before the Xmas CDs were thought of). So stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:12:59 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5872 Message-ID: >You've got to be a monumental fuckwit to take a boot over an official live release, heh heh, he said "monumental fuckwit" :-) >here's what i really want to know, and i know i'm not the only one. what the hell do these two bands sound like? i mean, i've heard about them one the 'jam constantly, but i have no idea what their sounds are in comparrison to other bands/genres. just because 'jammers like them doesn't mean they sound anything like DT, so help the rest of us who don't know them out, and give some reviews of what these two bands sound like. thanks a heap. If you like DT, I'd definitely recommend checking out PoS. I don't know a whole lot of bands to use as a reference point. I have heard a couple Faith No More songs, and I think whoever it was that said it may be correct that the singers sound similar. They're very melodic, and the disc I have is rather dark sounding - but dark in a good happy way, not dark in a sad moody way. The guitar solos rarely venture into what would be considered shred territory, but they are very tasteful and well-done. Very appropriate for the music without overdoing it. you can get Blind Guardian mp3's off mp3.com/bg so you can check them out for yourself. I haven't listened to that disc much - not because it's a bad disc, but because I like PoS a lot more at the moment - and I've only got two ears. :-) >Take a listen to track 1 on The Perfect Element pt 1, which starts out as straight metal with almost rap-like vocals, and then takes a u-turn when the chorus starts. Yeah, that threw me for a loop. At first I was thinking, "ah man, I just bought a Limp Bizkit knock-off," then they start harmonizing the vocals, and I was like "whoa!" Good stuff all around - just ordere the other 2 discs off amazon - along with my $60 CORBA book. 8-)b -Dan. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:04:28 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re: fan club rants Message-ID:
Thanks for spelling the name wrong, Andy.  What I am saying is that it isn't worth it, no more than it was when Gail Flug too my cash
and ran like hell with it.  Anyone on here remember her???  Those that were the originals in the US Fan Club do.  That's why we got
the XMAS CD.  It was a pay back for getting screwed.  Nothing more.  My opinion is that we are all even.  $25 for late news ain't
happening.  That's the facts from here.  And the new XMAS CD has been filed away.  Oh well.

Rob...the asshole who is tired of this talk of Christmas
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Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: fan club rants


What neither you or Rob Pociluck seem to understand is that I'm simply st=
ating
the facts. I'm not telling you what part of the fanclub membership you sh=
ould
appreciate the most, I'm telling you that the CD is free (according to To=
D).
--
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet
http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu



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"...so I've got that going for me...which is nice."---Carl the assistant greenskeeper
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------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:07:05 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live again Message-ID: Is every guy named Rob on the Jam an opinionated pain in the ass? Oh ye= ah...nevermind. :) Rob (the other) ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:32:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: live again I really don't believe this is the same jam that talks about getting multiple boots from this last tour. =A0If I had fans like this, I'd quit jumping through the hole in my ass to please all these whinners. =A0This again proves my theory that a good percentage of DT fans are nothing but spoiled little children. =A0There aren't many bands out there that care this much about fans. =A0They decided that they would release this live cd because the demand would be great. =A0I thought it would be great too. =A0I guess we were wrong. =A0 P.S. =A0And don't start bitching about the damn same show on the same tour shit. =A0Consider yourself lucky just to be able to go to more than one show and shut the hell up! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Rob Denni 3008 Tallwood Way Augusta, GA =A030906 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroov= e/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! =A0http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---- End Original Message ---- Dream Theater : The Official Site - http://www.dreamtheater.net/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://= www.zzn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:09:00 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fan club rants Message-ID: I apologize for: 1. being stupid enough to continue this thread and 2. for not knowing enough to turn off the fucking HTML. DOH! ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:09:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re: fan club rants
Thanks for spelling the name wrong, Andy. =  What I am saying is that it isn't worth it, no more than it was when Gail Flug too my cash
and ran like hell with it.  Anyone on here remember her???  T= hose that were the originals in the US Fan Club do.  That's why we got
the XMAS CD.  It was a pay back for getting screwed.  Nothing= more.  My opinion is that we are all even.  $25 for late news ain't
happening.  That's the facts from here.  And the new XMAS CD = has been filed away.  Oh well.

Rob...the asshole who is tired of this talk of Christmas
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Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: fan club rants


What neither you or Rob Pociluck seem to understand is that I'm simply = st=3D
ating
the facts. I'm not telling you what part of the fanclub membership you = sh=3D
ould
appreciate the most, I'm telling you that the CD is free (according to = To=3D
D).
--
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater-S=3DE4llskapet
http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu



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"...so I've got that going = for me...which is nice."---Carl the assistant greenskeeper
Dream Theater : The Official Site - http://www.dreamtheater.net/
_______________________________________= _____________________
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Taken from page 18 (reporting on a clinic JP did on Oct. 2, 2000 in Lille, France) : "John told us that the songs he would be playing today were all new untitled songs that he had composed. The other night, Jordan Rudess helped him wih the background music on a very small keyboard in his hotel room. Incredible! These songs were of course very guitar-driven and showed once again what a gifted guitar player John is. All the songs had that special John Petrucci style. Very funny was 'the disco song' in which John played his riffs over some disco beat created by Jordan....The last song John played was another really fast one in the style of Acid Rain..." And taken from page 25 (reporting on a clinic JP did on Oct. 15, 2000 in Rotterdam) : "The first song contained many open-string techniques...The next song was, as John called it, his dance tune...The third song had a more mellow feeling...Then it was time for the last song which had a Paradigm Shift kind of 4-bar intro, but was not very interesting after all." Now mind you, I am *not* saying for a fact that these songs are gonna be a part of JP's set, but they *might* be. Or maybe they'll become incorporated into the latest DT album - it's anybody's guess right now (well, aside from the band). But I thought it might be something you all might appreciate. And it does go to show that the fanzine does have some worthwhile stuff in it, even tho it may be sent out late. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 03:19:19 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: DT ringtones Message-ID: So gang, where can I get some Dream Theater ringtones for my cell phone? Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:08:05 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Soilwork Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B34258@ISDCRE00> I queued up about 15 Soilwork songs on AudioGalaxy yesterday and they all downloaded.. Haven't listened to them all yet, but the ones I sampled through, I dug... JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Soilwork > > > i have one of their disc, i forget the title, but its all black and shit > on the > cover... its kick ass...but IMO theyre more like in flames with 7 string > (or > detuned) guitars than meshuggah... > they rock anyways! > > > "Dr. Mosh" wrote: > > > Anybody into Soilwork?? F*cking kick ass... almost like a melodic > Meshuggah.. > > > > -The Doc > > -- > > > Carlos A. Alfaro > Internet Solutions, Inc > P.O. Box 29742 > San Juan, PR 00929 > Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 > =============================== > Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services > Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:13:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEWHINE Message-ID: Greg Kristianson wrote: > DT wants to be released from their contract, so the live album, > being the final album in their deal, would allow for them to be > released or negotiate a new contract more quickly... Interesting take on the contract angle. I wonder if DT would look for a bigger, better deal with a big company, or shoot for more creative freedom with a smaller label?...maybe both? > rant mode on... > You've got to be a monumental fuckwit to take a boot over an official live release, That would be ironic. My guess is that you're not talking about the same people though. People who love boots will probably pick up the official, live release too. On the other hand, maybe someone will want to argue the "fuckwit" case. > as 99.9% of the SFAM boots I've heard sound like ass. Agreed. I'm not a boot fan (as opposed to a booty fan). And you're correct, I'd much rather see a beautiful ass than hear it... > keep in mind that not all of us still live with our parents... Low blow! > There only one thing that's excessive, and that's all the frickin' whining > going on... It's only whining when other people do it! > Fuck people, for the supposed fans of DT, you sure act like anything but. Hmmm. I think you're right there. If "fan" is really short for "fanatic", some of us must not be fans. But we still like them a lot. ;) my $.02, BH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:46:19 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: PoS (pun intended) Message-ID: I was very excited to see that my shipment from CDNow came today, containing the following: * Pain of Salvation - "Entropia" * Pain of Salvation - "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" * Soilwork - "A Predator's Portrait" I popped in OHbtCL and, after listening for a good 30 minutes, I must say I am pretty disappointed. Many of you guys hailed PoS like they were the goddamn second coming of DT. Shame on you - not even close! The production is bad (listen to that snare!), and the singer's voice, which was raved about by pretty much everybody, is nothing special. These guys sound like they are playing progressive and heavy JUST TO PLAY PROGRESSIVE AND HEAVY. Nothing inspired; nothing caught me off guard. Music like this is SUPPOSED to catch you off guard. I haven't listened to "Entropia" yet, but I'm not expecting much, especially because it predates OHbtCL, therefore the production will probably be worse. I don't doubt the talent of these guys, but the singer and engineer need to get their shit together before I will listen again. How is the production on their latest album? Now, Soilwork's disc is an entirely different story - these guys are tight! Very impressive. They sound very much like Nevermore TRY to sound like... :) So, anyway, for those of you still interested, my two PoS discs are up for sale - $9 a pop. Brand new today... Thanks, Dave Dixon email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5874 **************************