YTSEJAM Digest 5872 Today's Topics: 1) Re: G3 Tix for DC go on sale 6/8 by "Kez" 2) Soilwork by "Joe DeAngelo" 3) Re: live3CD vs. DVD by Eric George 4) new live CDs/quality/James by Steven Zebrowski 5) Live CD by "Yan Elmar" 6) 3 CD Live thing by "Paul Evans" 7) Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 by Greg Kristianson 8) re: contest confirmation! by email_address_removed 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by Scott Hansen 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by Scott Hansen 11) Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian by Dan Costello 12) Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 by Eric George 13) Re: Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian by Eric George 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by Eric George 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by Michael Kizer 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by Chris Elder 17) Re: Fan club cd by email_address_removed 18) Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs by "Paul Tadday" 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by "Barry Gilpin" 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 by "Barry Gilpin" 21) Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 by "Paul Tadday" 22) Re: Pain of Salvation by Oddvar Lovaas 23) Re: Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian by "Michael Pruchnicki" 24) Re: 3 CD Live thing by Andreas Skarin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:55:34 -0400 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: G3 Tix for DC go on sale 6/8 Message-ID: <002101c0ed27$f05e6740$0300005a@kezp3800> ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Ivan Navarro" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: G3 Tix for DC go on sale 6/8 > > For those interested in going to see G3 at the Warner Theater in DC- > > TicketBastard says that tix will go on sale Fri, 6/8/01 :-) > > BTW, since I am giving you this news, anyone who gets seats which are better > than mine must trade with me ;-) > > I-Man Ivan, You're getting mine this time, right? :) Hope to see you there. There is a bit of a gathering being put together over at joe's place in DC. I'm sure joe will post here with final details, once they are worked out, right joe? Anyone else from the DC area still reading this list? Planning on going? Wanna get me a ticket? Let me know, Kez email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:28:55 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" To: Subject: Soilwork Message-ID: <000901c0ed34$faa3e060$message_id_removed> > Anybody into Soilwork?? F*cking kick ass... almost like a melodic Meshuggah.. I have "The Chainheart Machine", and also the newest, "A Predator's Portrait." Both albums absolutely kill. - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: live3CD vs. DVD Message-ID: > > ]From: Joshua Rasiel > > That said, I know this sounds paranoid, but has anyone noticed anything > strange about all this? I have heard a multitude of complaints about the > quality of the DVD audio, how it's compressed and lacks definition, etc. > And Mike has stated that he doesn't know why they didn't use 5.1, and > that there was room for it and he's puzzled by why it wasn't mixed that > way. > -josh > > > And where did you get this information?? From what I understand, it was > Elektra that held Mike back as far as the DVD release. He would've had to > cut the bonus tracks if they put the release in 5.1 in my understanding of > the whole thing... > > sj yeah, that was my understanding of the whole thing too. since MP was directly involved in the production of the DVD, i really don't think the label had anything to do with it not having 5.1, much less Mike knowing nothing about it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Zebrowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new live CDs/quality/James Message-ID: > And since Operation LIVEcrime is part of the discussion, how many of you > will be purchasing the re-issue (remaster?) of Operation LIVEcrime (which is > just the CD - no video) since it will feature 3 "bonus" tracks (Roads to > Madness, Take Hold of the Flame and Lady Wore Black)? Holy crap! This is the first I've heard about it. you bet I'll be buying that. > fans are nothing but spoiled little children. There > aren't many bands out there that care this much about > fans. They decided that they would release this live > cd because the demand would be great. I thought it > would be great too. I guess we were wrong. Thank you for saying that. It's very true. Personally, I'm glad they're doing this for a number of reasons: the outtakes from the DVD sound fucking great...I was not looking forward to ripping the audio off the DVD and burning it onto CD-R just so I could listen in the car...and since I listen to SFaM at least once a day (and have since it came out) I'm looking forward to having choices. :) > On the other hand, I still don't understand what the benefits of a 5.1 mix > of a live concert in which all the sound is coming from the front would > be. Nor do I. I don't want it to sound like I'm sitting at MP's drum kit - I want it to sound like I'm in the audience. Stereo will do nicely for that. Now, I realize there's things you can do in a 5.1 mix that will simulate this (vocals in the center, guitars/bass/stereo keys in the l/r front, audience and stereo keys in the l/r rear). Shirley sure knows how to run a board, but why he wants to make everything sound like it was recorded 20 years ago is beyond me. retro BLOWS. technology is where it's at. > With all of the debate about the upcoming live triple-CD set, I'm wondering: > will there be any overdubs on it, or will they be taking the OiaL raw, > warts-and-all approach? Unfortunately, it's probably the latter. > This, for me, is the deciding factor in whether or not I'll buy it. It's > great to see the band live, but my god, listening to James squeak and crack > his way through songs like TTT and Voices on OiaL was freaking painful. I agree completely. I NEVER play live DT for my friends because, quite frankly, James is often embarrassing. Having said that, some of the most astonishingly beautiful sounds I have ever heard in my life have come out of that man's face. And the could be either in the studio, or live (and not always on a good night). James LaBrie simply has the most beautiful voice in the world. I think that's why it's SO frustrating to hear the live stuff where he doesn't sound so good; because I know what he's capable of. granted, it's hard to sing the stuff he does ONCE, let alone night after night after night. I am praying he'll give the in-ear monitors another chance. > That's the sort of thing that *should* be touched up on a live CD, and that > it wasn't is the reason I very rarely listen to OiaL. Yeah, I agree totally. I mean, there's a reason why LatM, ACoS live tracks, and the '96 Fanclub CD sounds freaking awesome. Vocal overdubs. If I could do it on a clear conscience, I'd tell all my friends that those CDs are EXACTLY what DT sounds like live. but it's not. > It seems to me that extraordinary live recordings > deviate quite a bit from the original studio > recordings. DT tends to stay too close to the original > on their live shows for my taste. If the DT live > recordings were significantly different from the > original studio versions, then I'd be buying them. Check out a Joe Jackson concert. (If you like his music, that is.) The stuff from the latest album is usually pretty true to the album version. The old stuff is ALWAYS reworked and probably different than you've ever heard it before. Joe rules. > Have you even HEARD the audio from this DVD? James is in top form, and > not only is he treating his voice better these days, but he also seems to > be settling into his voice, now that he's a little older. All this is true, but the several notes he has lost off the top of his range (just listen to the end of Learning to Live or Metropolis Pt. 1) are not so much lost to age as they are lost to the years of abuse under ecessive stage volume (guitars/drums). But it is comforting to se him be nicer to his voice as of late. Now if only there were away to convince him (again) that VIBRATO is our FRIEND. > But even without overdubs, this recording is without a doubt much higher > quality vocally than OIALT was. I doubt they'd need to do it. Yeah, I'm sure THEY wouldn't feel the need to, but if I ever sounded like that, *I* would want to do some overdubs before I let any of my friends/public hear it. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:38:08 -0300 From: "Yan Elmar" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Live CD Message-ID: <01c0ed36$43e0d980$8b888e18@default> Hey guys... just have to raise my opinion... Just think of us Latin american fans =) (We DO exist!) that NEVER have seen DT live. I even cant buy the DVD cuz I still can afford to buy a player! I'm just thrilled about this realease, and I really look forward to september to have it on my hands. Im done. =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:50:51 -0700 From: "Paul Evans" To: "ytsejam" Subject: 3 CD Live thing Message-ID: <003601c0ed40$6ccae520$message_id_removed> Well, count me in as wanting this, as I don't have a DVD player in my car yet :-) Also, OiaLT has always been kinda disappointing to me, performance-wise. The band seems way sharper on SFNY. Actually, I kinda think the band seems a LOT sharper live, since Jordan came on board. I think he kicks the rest of the guys asses, chops-wise. But I hope they use AutoTune on JB's solo. It's painful to listen to as it is right now. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:31:05 -0600 From: Greg Kristianson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 Message-ID: <3B1C1A39.1B6867E5@ucalgary.ca> Well, I haven't posted here in a long, long time, but all of the incessant bitching going on here lately has spurred me to chime in with my $.02 cents: On the upcoming live CD: Firstly, I had this thought: I remember (can't remember where) right after SFAM came out, Portnoy saying something tonthe effect of the band having two albums left on its' contract with Elektra. We have the upcoming studio album, which is one. The announcement of the live album seemed to be a little abrupt (don't get me wrong-I am absolutely thrilled that the Roseland show is being released on CD), but I am thinking that the live CD is being released, ultimately, for one of two reasons, aside from the possibility that the band may just feel like spoiling us yet again: -Elektra wants to release the band from their contract, so the live album is sort of like the final fulfilment of said contract, or: -DT wants to be released from their contract, so the live album, being the final album in their deal, would allow for them to be released or negotiate a new contract more quickly than leaving it for yet another studio album, which would take them into 2003-4 on the same contract. Of course, I'm being purely speculative. Now...rant mode on... I, like many others remember the days when Jammers would be clamouring to get their hands on any DT related material they could . Now the band decides to *spoil us* with a triple live album of the entire Roseland show, and all people can do is bitch, bitch, bitch about "ooh, it'll be too expensive", or "I've already got the DVD", or "I've already got all of these bootlegs, and the setlists aren't any different". You've got to be a monumental fuckwit to take a boot over an official live release, as 99.9% of the SFAM boots I've heard sound like ass. A high quality live album of what was, by all accounts, a very special show, is certainly appropriate, and a welcome addition to the DT discography. And while I have no doubt that many of you are enjoying the DVD, keep in mind that not all of us still live with our parents and have all of this disposable income to throw into a DVD player. People whined when the DVD was released because it didn't have the whole show, now they release the whole show and now people whine because they already have the DVD and the live CD is excessive. There only one thing that's excessive, and that's al the frickin' whining going on about the live album. For God's sake shut up! Appreciate what you have and be happy that DT appreciate us as much as they do. Jeez, they could really be milking it and sticking a t-shirt and shit vid in a "ytsecan" and show their "appreciation" by selling it to us for $70 dollars. I'm sure it will be a reasonably priced package (a la "Different Stages") but if it's a little more, so what? C'mon, it's DT!! Our favorite band!! Have we forgotten?? As far as the fanclub fanzine thing goes...once again I'm forced to say *quit your whining!!* It's a DT fanzine, of course it's going to be full of DT pics, and DT interviews, and DT concert reviews. What is it you want exactly?? Decoupage tips from John Petrucci? Jordan Rudess' recipe for a Headcheese? Fuck people, for the supposed fans of DT, you sure act like anything but. ...rant mode off... 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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:21:09 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: > And where did you get this information?? From what I understand, it was > Elektra that held Mike back as far as the DVD release. He would've had to > cut the bonus tracks if they put the release in 5.1 in my understanding of > the whole thing... http://www.mikeportnoy.com/cgi-bin/mpsmartfaq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=987436225& id=987436139 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:26:40 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: > On the other hand, I still don't understand what the benefits of a 5.1 mix > of a live concert in which all the sound is coming from the front would > be. I kinda wondered the same thing myself - that is until I went over to Mike Kizer's place and watched U2's Rattle and Hum, switching between stereo and 5.1 mixes. Let me tell you the 5.1 was just intense - even tho almost all the sound seemed to come from the front speakers. Then again, who's to say that the stereo mix on the R&H DVD doesn't suck? I dunno - all I know is that the 5.1 is a major step up from the stereo mix on that particular DVD. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:48:47 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian Message-ID: Well, I finally took the plunge and bought both Pain of Salvation's "The Perfect Element I" and Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." (I'm kinda cheap, so I don't usually buy stuff I'm not somewhat familiar with) NIME is pretty good. Not my favorite album, but not the worst by any means. TPE is VERY very good. I can't believe I waited this long to check out PoS. What do you guys think of their other albums? -Dan. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:03:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Greg Kristianson wrote: > > > > Well, I haven't posted here in a long, long time, but all of the incessant bitching going on > here lately has spurred me to chime in with my $.02 cents: > > Of course, I'm being purely speculative. Now...rant mode on... > > I, like many others remember the days when Jammers would be clamouring to get their > hands on any DT related material they could . Now the band decides to *spoil us* with a triple > live album of the entire Roseland show, and all people can do is bitch, bitch, bitch about "ooh, > it'll be too expensive", or "I've already got the DVD", or "I've already got all of these > bootlegs, and the setlists aren't any different". You've got to be a monumental fuckwit to take > a boot over an official live release, as 99.9% of the SFAM boots I've heard sound like ass. A > high quality live album of what was, by all accounts, a very special show, is certainly > appropriate, and a welcome addition to the DT discography. And while I have no doubt that many > of you are enjoying the DVD, keep in mind that not all of us still live with our parents and > have all of this disposable income to throw into a DVD player. People whined when the DVD was > released because it didn't have the whole show, now they release the whole show and now people > whine because they already have the DVD and the live CD is excessive. There only one thing > that's excessive, and that's al the frickin' whining going on about the live album. For God's > sake shut up! Appreciate what you have and be happy that DT appreciate us as much as they do. > Jeez, they could really be milking it and sticking a t-shirt and shit vid in a "ytsecan" and > show their "appreciation" by selling it to us for $70 dollars. I'm sure it will be a reasonably > priced package (a la "Different Stages") but if it's a little more, so what? C'mon, it's DT!! > Our favorite band!! Have we forgotten?? > > As far as the fanclub fanzine thing goes...once again I'm forced to say *quit your > whining!!* It's a DT fanzine, of course it's going to be full of DT pics, and DT interviews, and > DT concert reviews. What is it you want exactly?? Decoupage tips from John Petrucci? Jordan > Rudess' recipe for a Headcheese? Fuck people, for the supposed fans of DT, you sure act like > anything but. > > ...rant mode off... > > Greg-O> i honestly don't know why you don't post more often Greg. not only do you make one hell of an argument, but i laughed my ass off reading how you made that argument. thank you. -ryften ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian Message-ID: here's what i really want to know, and i know i'm not the only one. what the hell do these two bands sound like? i mean, i've heard about them one the 'jam constantly, but i have no idea what their sounds are in comparrison to other bands/genres. just because 'jammers like them doesn't mean they sound anything like DT, so help the rest of us who don't know them out, and give some reviews of what these two bands sound like. thanks a heap. -ryften On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Dan Costello wrote: > > Well, I finally took the plunge and bought both Pain of Salvation's "The > Perfect Element I" and > Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." (I'm kinda cheap, so I > don't usually buy stuff I'm not somewhat > familiar with) > > NIME is pretty good. Not my favorite album, but not the worst by any > means. > > TPE is VERY very good. I can't believe I waited this long to check out > PoS. What do you guys think of their other albums? > > -Dan. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: for those of you that still have unanswered questions about the lack of 5.1 on the DVD, and haven't checked this link yet, here's another chance. no more questions about it now. it wasn't MP or the label. purely shirley. hey, that rhymes........ On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Scott Hansen wrote: > > > And where did you get this information?? From what I understand, it was > > Elektra that held Mike back as far as the DVD release. He would've had to > > cut the bonus tracks if they put the release in 5.1 in my understanding of > > the whole thing... > > http://www.mikeportnoy.com/cgi-bin/mpsmartfaq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=987436225& > id=987436139 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:27:05 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: At 05:37 PM 6/4/01 -0700, you wrote: >I kinda wondered the same thing myself - that is until I went over to Mike >Kizer's place and watched U2's Rattle and Hum, switching between stereo and >5.1 mixes. Let me tell you the 5.1 was just intense - even tho almost all >the sound seemed to come from the front speakers. > >Then again, who's to say that the stereo mix on the R&H DVD doesn't suck? I >dunno - all I know is that the 5.1 is a major step up from the stereo mix on >that particular DVD. Actually, the stereo mix on that DVD is pretty good as well. Although, most every comparison of DD5.1 to DTS to Stereo is like apples to oranges since each mix is treated differently (and sometimes one mix is mixed a little "hotter" volume wise than the other formats on the DVD to give the appearance of a "way better sound" -- This type of argument goes on forever over at hometheaterforum.com about which is better DD5.1 or DTS, and really it comes down to "it depends"). But, I agree that when properly done, a 5.1 mix of a live concert can be really cool (and not just cool in a gimmicky way). The U2 concert (especially during Bullet The Blue Sky) has some awesome fades, left to right, rear left to front right, etc... The center channel really makes left to right fades alot smoother, and well adding the sub-woofer adds some kick too... Of course you can get a DVD like King Crimson's DejaVROOM for some cool use of a 5.1 mix as well... allowing you on a couple of tunes to isolate a particular player not only via video angle but also their sound into the center channel... Now I could tell what parts Trey Gunn was playing alot easier... a very cool DVD even for casual KC fans (like me)... ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:48:08 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: on 6/4/01 1:10 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > And don't start bitching about the damn same > show on the same tour shit. Consider yourself lucky > just to be able to see them. No shit! Those were my thoughts exactly. Corvin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 01:41:28 EDT From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Re: Fan club cd Message-ID: Andreas Skarin: >With all due respect, you didn't pay $25 on a "a > fan club CD with 10 tracks from > various live shows throughout the tour". Correct > me if I'm wrong , but as a > member of the DTIFC you paid absolutely NOTHING > for "a fan club CD with 10 > tracks from various live shows throughout the > tour". The Xmas CD is absolutely > free when you subscribe to the ToD fanzines, > remember? Right, but how many people pay the $25 for just the fanzines? I, as well as many other people I'm sure, pay the money specifically for th X-Mas cd. The fanzines are a bonus. They are well put together with a lot of care but let's face it. The information in there is generally 8 months old at the point when we actualy get the magazine. I completely respect and thank the effort and dedication that the makers of it put into it, but I pay mainly for the cd. As for this year's X-Mas cd, I'm a bit disappointed as well. The worst thing is that the first track is merely a tease of them doing Heaven and Hell, a song which I absolutely love. UGH. No one likes a tease! :) I'm not bitching at all though, as it's still an interesting thing to own and that JP solo is terrific and worth it alone. -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:12:20 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs Message-ID: <002701c0ed86$7b652280$fd3736cb@PaulTadday> I have to agree Andrew... James doesnt' sound as if he's straining his voice as much as he used to previously. ACoS and Learning To Live are very impressive on the DVD. Judging by the tracks you can hear in the background during the behind the scenes stuff I doubt that they'd have to do a Kiss Alive job to it at all!! Paul. ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Andrew Coutermarsh > Have you even HEARD the audio from this DVD? James is in top form, and > not only is he treating his voice better these days, but he also seems to > be settling into his voice, now that he's a little older. > > But even without overdubs, this recording is without a doubt much higher > quality vocally than OIALT was. I doubt they'd need to do it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:08:23 -0500 From: "Barry Gilpin" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: <001d01c0ed85$edc4b9e0$message_id_removed> Oh yeah, that bitch is mine. > And since Operation LIVEcrime is part of the discussion, how many of you > will be purchasing the re-issue (remaster?) of Operation LIVEcrime (which is > just the CD - no video) since it will feature 3 "bonus" tracks (Roads to > Madness, Take Hold of the Flame and Lady Wore Black)? > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:11:56 -0500 From: "Barry Gilpin" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5871 Message-ID: <002301c0ed86$6c660600$message_id_removed> I agree with the below statement wholeheartedly. "I really don't believe this is the same jam that talks about getting multiple boots from this last tour. If I had fans like this, I'd quit jumping through the hole in my ass to please all these whinners. This again proves my theory that a good percentage of DT fans are nothing but spoiled little children. There aren't many bands out there that care this much about fans. They decided that they would release this live cd because the demand would be great. I thought it would be great too. I guess we were wrong. P.S. And don't start bitching about the damn same show on the same tour shit. Consider yourself lucky just to be able to go to more than one show and shut the hell up! " ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:23:18 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Re: YTSEWHINE digest 5871 Message-ID: <004501c0ed88$031ad840$fd3736cb@PaulTadday> Way to go Greg-o!! :) Paul. ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Greg Kristianson >Fuck people, for the supposed fans of DT, you sure act like > anything but. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:11:50 +0200 From: Oddvar Lovaas To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <0eef82820070561PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> >TPE is VERY very good. I can't believe I waited this long to check out >PoS. What do you guys think of their other albums? One word: amazing... One Hour By the Concrete Lake still tops the three IMO, although TPE is absolutely terrific! I only got Entropia a couple of months ago, and I really love it! It is more heavy, but still loaded with really emotional parts and great lyrical concept, that IMO is very PoS'ish. Go get them!:) >here's what i really want to know, and i know i'm not the only one. what >the hell do these two bands sound like? As for PoS, they're by far the most original band these days. You never know what to expect, although they always return to their own style. Take a listen to track 1 on The Perfect Element pt 1, which starts out as straight metal with almost rap-like vocals, and then takes a u-turn when the chorus starts. Great progressivity here! And Daniel's voice is just amazing, his range and power should be enough for everyone!:) I sincerly recommend any PoS album. < flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://www.oddvar.org/ - ICQ: 3253879 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:04:25 +0200 From: "Michael Pruchnicki" To: Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation & Blind Guardian Message-ID: > here's what i really want to know, and i know i'm not the=20 > only one. what > the hell do these two bands sound like? =20 I can't comment on BG, but here's my take on Pain Of Salvation. They remind me a lot of Faith No More to start with. Their singer, Daniel Gildenl=F6w, often sounds quite a bit like Mike Patton. He's extremely versatile, going from low grunting vox to clean high ones within seconds, and his range is pretty amazing. I'd say he's not as annoying as some people think Ray Alder and Geoff Tate are, because he doesn't sing high all that much. Musically they have a pretty guitar oriented sound (with two guitarist no surprise there), but they DO have a pretty competent keyboardist who does a lot of layering and some nice piano stuff. NO synth solos though. They can get pretty heavy at times, but they also have really nice ballad-type songs with cello and acoustic guitar. Speaking of guitar, both guitarists can play pretty tasty and melodic solos. The songwriting is pretty proggy, although they rarely come close to the 10 minute mark. The typical PoS song doesn't end the way=20 it has begun, there's some nice twist in almost each of them. They have some almost DT-like jamming / instrumental sections with sweet band interplay in odd time signatures, too. They're definitely one of my favorite bands right now and they seem to attract many non-prog-listeners as well. Coming back to Dan's question about the other albums - I consider TPE not that great, really. There are some amazing songs (Used in particular), but some are just too meandering. They don't seem to handle the longer songs all that great yet. One Hour By The Concrete Lake seems a lot more focused to me, which is not surprising considering it has no song even=20 as long as 7 minutes. The production is a bit weaker than TPE's, but I think musically it's one of the best progmetal albums. Their debut Entropia is also pretty good, although it sounds more like a straight metal album at times. They had a different guitarist back then and the difference in style really shows. There are several really good songs on it anyway, even some pretty proggy ones, and there's some nice funk-metal stuff going in which they haven't done again ever since.=20 After all I guess I have to recommend all PoS albums :P - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:59:59 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 3 CD Live thing Message-ID: <3B1CBBAF.3777A2D9@sdts.nu> Paul Evans wrote: > But I hope they use AutoTune on JB's solo. It's painful to listen to a= s it > is right now. The day Dream Theater needs autotune is the day I start questioning what they've become. Btw, who's JB? -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5872 **************************