YTSEJAM Digest 5855

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
 by "Dark Majesty" <email_address_removed>
  2) DT fan club CD !
 by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
  3) Douglas Adams
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
  4) Slovenian hockey sucks    :)
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
  5) Stop Dreaming and start packing !
 by email_address_removed.om
  6) Re: Douglas Adams
 by Brian D Hayden <email_address_removed>
  7) Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
 by Eric George <email_address_removed>
  8) about that rant
 by Dyne <email_address_removed>
  9) Nightfall in Middle Earth
 by Michael & Pamela Nazer <email_address_removed>
 10) new megadeth
 by Joshua Rasiel <email_address_removed>
 11) A & B
 by Robert Rivers <email_address_removed>
 12) Middle Earth, now Wheel Of Time
 by Paul Ninnis <email_address_removed.au>
 13) The World Need A Hero
 by Paul Ninnis <email_address_removed.au>
 14) In light of sleeping
 by email_address_removed
 15) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
 by email_address_removed (Jason T. Breitweg)
 16) Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
 by "Paul Tadday" <email_address_removed>
 17) Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
 by "Paul Tadday" <email_address_removed>
 18) Re: In light of sleeping
 by WB Henderson <email_address_removed>
 19) Magic Elf
 by Peter Geerts <email_address_removed>
 20) Other people's perceptions
 by "Awake ." <email_address_removed>
 21) Opeth show in PHX tonight
 by David Dixon <email_address_removed>
 22) re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
 by Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
 23) re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
 by Brian D Hayden <email_address_removed>
 24) Re: A & B
 by "Dark Majesty" <email_address_removed>
 25) Re: Other people's perceptions
 by "Nicholas Sakkos" <email_address_removed.gr>
 26) Re: Other people's perceptions
 by "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <jykke@nic.fi>

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:58:20 -0500
From: "Dark Majesty" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Which is not only the most difficult book I've ever read, but is also the 
greatest book ever written.  Tolkien is to literature what Dream Theater is 
to music.  I've got "Somewhere Far Beyond," and it rocks.  It's kinda like 
speed metal stuff with a German-accented singer, but it's melodic and cool 
and makes Metallica sound like beginners.  Just my handful of change.

--96

><its very good, very good indeed. Its based upon the story "Silmarillion"><

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:19:04 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: DT fan club CD !
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33E2E@ISDCRE00>


The DT fan club CD's have hit the USA and if you don't have yours yet, you
will soon !   Got mine today.   FUNNY STUFF !!!!!

No more spoilers..................  if you didn't order it, too bad !

  JM



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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:13:31 +0200
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Douglas Adams
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


R.I.P Douglas. 
A true genius

BTW, I heard that recently Douglas FINALLY approved a scenario for a
planned movie on the Hitchiker's Guide. Does anyoen know more about
this?


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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:10:50 +0200
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Slovenian hockey sucks    :)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


> From: "Zalozba Izolit" <email_address_removed>
> Subject: re: hockey
> 
> Actually, Slovenia just made it to the Group A and it's 
> gonna kick all your scandinavian asses :)
> Matej

And how about doing a little WORK while you're at the office and using
the job's e-mail? :)

Hey zemljak, Miladojka Youneed is playing here in few days along with
few others - Disciplin A Kitschme (YIHAAAAWWW)

BTW, I just heard of this Slovenian band but dunno what they play.

Anyone British jammer here? Ever heard of Disciplin A Kitschme? :)
Kicking ass band.

NP: Freak Kitchen



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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:45:05 -0700
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Subject: Stop Dreaming and start packing !
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:48:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


It's going to be made by disney.

In other words, don't expect any quality.

-brian

-- 
"Do you think I wouldn't be pleased to meet the devil? Ha ha, I'd shake
his hand like a long-lost friend."


On Wed, 16 May 2001, CyberDuke wrote:

> 
> R.I.P Douglas. 
> A true genius
> 
> BTW, I heard that recently Douglas FINALLY approved a scenario for a
> planned movie on the Hitchiker's Guide. Does anyoen know more about
> this?
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric George <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



oh yeah!!!!  i can't decide which one was more appropriate for the moment:
MP singing by himself, or JL & JP throwing in the harmonies!!  well done
chris.  laughed my ass off!!!  ahhhh yes, DT does RULE!!

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dark Majesty wrote:

> 
> Hehehe!  Hehe...  He...  Anybody else get this?
> 
> ><Eat my ass and balls.><
> 
> Chris, you rule!  I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a week.  DT 
> RULZ!
> 
> --96
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:15:09 -0700
From: Dyne <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: about that rant
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


haha
"one handed gimp tree sloth"
now thats fukkin funny!!
i mean
anytime someone uses the word "sloth" its gonna rule.

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:25:26 -0500
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Nightfall in Middle Earth
Message-ID: <B728AED6.E3C%message_id_removed>


> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." I've
> never heard anything by this band,
> Any comments?
> 
> -Dan.

This Cd gets heavy rotation from me.  It is different from most of the stuff
I listen to, but I enjoy and plan to get more by this band.  I like the
vocals, which include a lot of choral works.

Pam 


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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:37:48 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: new megadeth
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


OMG people! This album is amazing! Anyone that hasn't bought "The World Needs A Hero", ya gotta get this thing! One of
their best albums ever.

-josh


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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:08:17 -0400
From: Robert Rivers <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: A & B
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


No , can you please explain it, I'm a fuckin idiot.


>>>Hehehe!  Hehe...  He...  Anybody else get this?

><Eat my ass and balls.><

>>Chris, you rule!  I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a
week.  DT
>RULZ!

>--96
_____


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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:40:39 +0930
From: Paul Ninnis <email_address_removed.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Middle Earth, now Wheel Of Time
Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB320A51@EDDIE>


> From: Dan Costello <email_address_removed>
> Subject: Nightfall in Middle Earth

On a similar note, I was surprised to see the following
coming out shortly through Magna Carta... the clips sound cool:

Robert Berry - "a soundtrack for The Wheel Of Time"
<http://www.magnacarta.net/asp_bin/viewcdpage.asp?catno=ma-9052-2>" -
MA-9052-2 Robert Berry composed music for the video game version of The
Wheel Of Time novels by Robert Jordan. This album includes his
soundtrack to the game, as well as some new and reworked compositions.
Instrumental rock with a touch of Celtic flavour. For release July 10th,
2001. 

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:48:48 +0930
From: Paul Ninnis <email_address_removed.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The World Need A Hero
Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB320A54@EDDIE>


You've gotta be kidding... the new Megadeth album is great... a 
return to some of the heavier, earlier stuff, but with much 
more maturity. Mustaine is still a lyrical poet...

I wish people would stop hanging shit by always making comparisons
and dissecting every musical note and actually LISTEN for a change.

The instrumental "Silent Scorn" is cool... wish it was longer
personally...
definately got some Call Of Ktulu feel about it.
"Promises" has a lot of feeling about it, and my fav is "1000 times
goodbye"

Do yourself a favour, and give it a listen to decide yourself, and don't
listen to some unqualified rants.


> From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <email_address_removed>
> Subject: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant

> In contrast, the new Megadeth album is AMAZINGLY moronic.  Pitrelli
(though
> a fine and extremely capable guitarist) continues his chameleon-like
trend
> of soaking up someone else's style in lieu of making one for himself
(the
> album is ripe with Friedman rip offs)... it leaves me wondering why,
if all
> the blame was to fall with Friedman (I am not willing to entertain
arguments
> against the fact that he was by far the most talented member of that
band,
> past, and present) ...why is this album the same PILE OF CRAP that
they've
> BEEN making?  It's a joke... "Am I Evil" rip offs, pathetic Hangar 18
sequel
> (I don't think so) a 1:40 instrumental that a one handed gimp tree
sloth
> could have written and performed (with the exception of some totally
out of
> place horn parts).  Megadeth is crap.  But their next album will be
heavy,
> right?  I mean, it will make Rust in Piece look like candyland!
Please.

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:30:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: In light of sleeping
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Jammers,
      My response to recent threads----
I sleep very well to Animals and Awake, but the very first time I
listened to SFaM I fell asleep ( not from boredom of course I was just
tired ) and was awakened when the needle jumps of the record and the
dude screams and it scared the absolute shit out of me. However I find
that the musical style isn't what lulls me to sleep but the vocals or
rather lack thereof. My sub-conscious mind isn't trying to make sense of
words if they aren't there. So long instrumental solos or just
instrumental music is best for me. Except for Buckethead ( I can't sleep
at all to that stuff so I use it for waking up)
My personal fav for sleep is Miles Davis --Kind of Blue -- utterly
phenomenal!!! 
I'm picking up the new Tool cd tomorrow so that will be an interesting
dream sequence. BTW does anyone else dream in conjunction with music ?
Animals makes me dream of livestock in clothes Awake makes me dream of
my ex-wife for some reason and classical music of just about any
composer makes me dream of being a math teacher-- weird. Yes I too
control my dreams with the radio and the late show.
( Chroma Key reference)  I like to keep the TV on so that the flickering
light stimulates my visual mind and the music stimulates my audio mind.
Just one more thing I see that everyone still bitches about the spam (
myself included ) yet a lot of people are still including entire
messages  from previous posts within their own. The last jam was like
30% rehashed posts. I read it the first time and a couple included
previous post with previous posts in them as well and while I am quite
amused with Robb's quote about wanting brains now I don't really need to
see it 15 times in one jam.  Does anyone else think this is a waste of
space or am I alone here?
Oh well just an opinion from someone who doesn't really know. Have a Day
Y'all
                                           Billy.
np Dust for Life -- The End.
( good band ... reminds me of COC and Alice in Chains )


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Date: 17 May 2001 07:46:40 +0200
From: email_address_removed (Jason T. Breitweg)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.de>


  Dan> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle
  Dan> Earth." I've never heard anything by this band, but I ran
  Dan> across it at amazon. With The Fellowship of the Ring being
  Dan> released this December, I'm slowing becoming a bit of a Tolkien
  Dan> nut, so this album's intrigued me. The audio samples at amazon
  Dan> are ridiculously short.  One was about 5 seconds of wind
  Dan> blowing - that's it. 8-)b Any comments?

Never heard much Blind Guardian?  Go to http://www.mp3.com/bg,
download all the full length songs (something like 20) and enjoy.  Oh
yeah, then go out and buy all the CDs, you won't regret it!

BG is working on the new CD right now.  I have been seeing some of the
lyrics from Hansi and it is going to be great.  Nothing Tolkien based
this time but cool nonetheless.  I just need to hear the music that
goes with it now. :)

Jason
-- 
Jason T. Breitweg
E-Mail: email_address_removed
WWW: http://www.blind-guardian.com

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:07:04 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Nightfall in Middle Earth
Message-ID: <001301c0de97$9a063560$c43736cb@PaulTadday>


I was more a fan of Blind Guardia's earlier stuff but Nightfall is okay.
It's a bit too over the top with the whole goblin inspired thing for my
tastes.
I much preferred the Follow The Blind era between '87 and '90.
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
]From: Dan Costello <email_address_removed>

> Anybody ever heard Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle Earth." I've
> never heard anything by this band,
> but I ran across it at amazon. With The Fellowship of the Ring being
> released this December, I'm slowing
> becoming a bit of a Tolkien nut, so this album's intrigued me. The audio
> samples at amazon are ridiculously short.
> One was about 5 seconds of wind blowing - that's it. 8-)b Any comments?
>
> -Dan.



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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:15:42 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
Message-ID: <002d01c0de98$cdcaf740$c43736cb@PaulTadday>


Hehehe..
yeah!
That IS the line of the entire DVD!
That AND "Jordan Rudess - Action Figure!"

Paul.

----- Original Message -----
]From: Dark Majesty <email_address_removed>


>
> Hehehe!  Hehe...  He...  Anybody else get this?
>
> ><Eat my ass and balls.><
>
> Chris, you rule!  I'm gonna be laughing about that one for about a week.
DT
> RULZ!



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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:33:06 -0400
From: WB Henderson <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: In light of sleeping
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Billy920 wrote:

>I sleep very well to Animals and Awake, but the very first time I
>listened to SFaM I fell asleep

Personally, I can fall asleep during any album.  Or during live concerts 
even -- I was so beat by the end of day #1 of this year's NE Metal & 
Hardcore festival, that I was actually falling asleep standing up during 
Cannibal Corpse's set!  This is a 'skill' without a silver lining, as far 
as I can tell.

>BTW does anyone else dream in conjunction with music ?

Only one.  I dreamed I was doing a wicked synth run, then discovered it was 
actually Patrick Moraz when I stopped moving my fingers and the music kept 
going (disc playing: Yes "Relayer").  What a letdown.  I had a dream the 
other day that Evil Forces were trying to infiltrate our world via Grateful 
Dead concert videos.  Probably not too far from the truth...

Hoping the postman, er, postperson brings something marked "DTIFC" in 
tomorrow's mail,
Brian

[NP...Jason Becker -- Perspective]

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:25:12 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <email_address_removed>
To: YML <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Magic Elf
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105171520260.28091-100000@ace>


Just a question. Anyone ever heard of the Magic Elf? They released an
album called Elf Tales some years ago. Opinions about this one?

Also, after the release of SMPT:e I planned to check out the Flower Kings.
Now I finally did, buying Space Revolver as well as Flower Power. And
guess what... this stuff is great! But I guess y'all knew that already.

Peter

NP: Kamelot - Siege Perilous
    Threshold - Hypothetical <-- much better than Clone


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Date: 17 May 2001 14:14:12 -0000
From: "Awake ." <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Other people's perceptions
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


So I was sat in my living room watching the SFNY DVD, and my housemates got home, and groaned "Oh here we go". But I persuaded them to sit down and pay atention, and credit where it's due: they sat through AMBI and ACoS. When it was done, they both agreed that while yes, it's technically very clever, it all sounds exactly the same.

I was pretty stunned by this comment; I man, I understand that other people don't LIKE Dream Theater, but I couldn't believe that anyone could think that it all sounds the same. And certainly not those four songs!! And these are not stupid Britney Spheres people; one is a Royal Northern College of Music graduate who listens to Yes, Genesis and King Crimson along with some indie shite, the other is one of the most talented drummers (in any time sig you like) that I know. And they reckon it sounds the same.

I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them??

~SJD

p.s., but they both liked the excerpt from the Simpsons, and Jordans little piano danzas. :)



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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:35:02 -0700
From: David Dixon <email_address_removed>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Opeth show in PHX tonight
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175206734863@MESSAGING>


Yo:

Is anyone around here going to the Opeth/Nevermore show at the Mason Jar in
Phoenix tonight?  BTW - it IS all ages, so any of you young punks like me
(I'm almost there... :)) can actually get in, which is nice.  Well, if
you're going, shoot me an email - it'd be nice to meet a couple of you
people.  :)

David Dixon
email_address_removed

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:53:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



"Christopher W. Ptacek" <email_address_removed>
wrote:

> Why is it that when Metallica slowed down, when
Megadeth slowed down, 
> when Slayer got more raw, when Queensryche got more
gritty... all these 
> bands went to complete and utter SHIT?

Old age? They've used themselves up, and there's
nothing left...


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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:10:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian D Hayden <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Tool Time and Megadeth Rant
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I don't know what Slayer you guys have been listening to, but the one I've
been listening to made a major comeback with one of their best
CDs: Diabolus in Musica. They really only put out one sub-par album,
Divine Intervention. 

/me looks forward to seeing them with Pantera and Morbid Angel in july...

-brian

-- 
"Do you think I wouldn't be pleased to meet the devil? Ha ha, I'd shake
his hand like a long-lost friend."


On Thu, 17 May 2001, Brian Hansen wrote:

> > Why is it that when Metallica slowed down, when
> Megadeth slowed down, 
> > when Slayer got more raw, when Queensryche got more
> gritty... all these 
> > bands went to complete and utter SHIT?
> 
> Old age? They've used themselves up, and there's
> nothing left...


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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:35:29 -0500
From: "Dark Majesty" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: A & B
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Are you a member of the DTIFC?  If so, you'll find out soon, and if not, I'm 
sworn by my YtseHonor not to give away the "surprise."  You might be able to 
find out if you watch the DVD with the commentary on, also.  Sorry, that's 
all I can say.

--96

><No , can you please explain it, I'm a fuckin idiot.><

Hehehe!  Hehe...  He...  Anybody else get this?

><Eat my ass and balls.><

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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:19:15 +0300
From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <email_address_removed.gr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Other people's perceptions
Message-ID: <000001c0deec$72520580$69df6693@el00144>



>
> I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who
don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them??
>
> ~SJD

  DT songs are usually more than 4 minutes long.I've given people the I&W cd
to start with
and they told me they just liked Wait for Sleep.Another favorite is,playing
acid rain to someone
and getting a "there's too much noise..." comment.Indeed there is.The noise
of instruments
actually playing something,like,music.
   Although, i suspect that,about the WfS thing,people were just too bored
to listen to
the rest 7 + minute songs and didn't even bother.

my 2 drachmas

ps:i didn't wanna sound like a prog snob,but "noise" type of comments tend
to get irritating


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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:30:16 +0300
From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <jykke@nic.fi>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Other people's perceptions
Message-ID: <001c01c0df07$cddc35e0$4fee26d4@ghj>


> I thought I'd share that, because it made me wonder: what do people who
don't lke Dream Theater think of it when you guys play it to them??

Some people that I've played DT also say that most songs sound the same but
most of them only bother to listen few minutes anyway so I guess their
opinion isn't quite valid. As opposite every DT fan I know says that one
reason they like it is because the songs are so different from each other.

Another thing that I've noticed is that every single person that normally
doesn't listen to metal _loves_ Hollow Years. Metal listeners usually
dislike it. I really wonder why it hasn't got any bigger success.


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