YTSEJAM Digest 5833 Today's Topics: 1) Did You Get The #? by carlos2576@achs.cl 2) RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 3) RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate by Robb Muise 4) Faites in RI by Robert Rivers 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5832 by Dave Peterson 6) Random post from the outside, non-subscribed world by "Dave Peterson" 7) Re: Faites in RI by Robb Muise 8) Re: A post out of love by Dave Peterson 9) M2: DVD Easter Eggs? by "Charlie Korch" 10) Re: A post out of love by Graham Borland 11) SPAM .... by Ryan P Skadberg 12) Re: A post out of love by Eric George 13) Re: SPAM .... by "HJ Rivera" 14) Re: SPAM .... by Andrew Coutermarsh 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5832 by "Douglas Gray" 16) Fate worse than spam by email_address_removed 17) RE: SPAM .... by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 18) Re: SPAM .... by Robb Muise 19) RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate by "Souter, Jan-Michael" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:32:28 -0800 From: carlos2576@achs.cl To: Subject: Did You Get The #? Message-ID: <00002e666c74$00002208$000068ed@> For Serious Marketers ONLY!
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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:04:57 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33A84@ISDCRE00> Correct. No copyright stuff here. I was talking about making a CD-Copy of CDs you already own and keeping the CDR's in your automobile as backups. If those get scratched up, it's ok as you can make more copies. If your ORIGINAL gets scratched up or stolen, that's unfortunate. Let the CDR's take the abuse :) JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Muise [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: burn in hell ya stinky pirate > > > legally you can make a backup of it if you already own it. Same goes for > videogames. > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, CyberDuke wrote: > > > > > > > You guys shouldve been there when i got carjacked out of my pimp > > > > ride (j/k) and lost over 70 cds , including my > > > > dt/lte/sideproject collection :( > > > > > > That's why having a CD burner is an advantage. Burning copies of > > > special CDs I wouldn't want to get messed up or stolen out of a > > > vehicle. > > > > Oh mine, but doesn't it have to do something with the almighty > > copyrights? }o) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Robb Muise "An it harm none, do as ye will" > Escalations Manager > Shore.net Network Operations Center > Email:email_address_removed > Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 > Cell Phone: 978-884-6423 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:23:22 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate Message-ID: then again you could just say fuck it and go out and buy one of them portable mp3 cd players, burn about 100 songs to a cd in mp3 format and snub your nose at everyone.. Yes I do have a cd thats all DT :) At 08:24 AM 4/27/2001 -0700, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote: >Correct. No copyright stuff here. I was talking about making a CD-Copy of >CDs you already own and keeping the CDR's in your automobile as backups. >If those get scratched up, it's ok as you can make more copies. If your >ORIGINAL gets scratched up or stolen, that's unfortunate. Let the CDR's >take the abuse :) > > JM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Muise [SMTP:email_address_removed > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:38 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: burn in hell ya stinky pirate > > > > > > legally you can make a backup of it if you already own it. Same goes for > > videogames. > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, CyberDuke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You guys shouldve been there when i got carjacked out of my pimp > > > > > ride (j/k) and lost over 70 cds , including my > > > > > dt/lte/sideproject collection :( > > > > > > > > That's why having a CD burner is an advantage. Burning copies of > > > > special CDs I wouldn't want to get messed up or stolen out of a > > > > vehicle. > > > > > > Oh mine, but doesn't it have to do something with the almighty > > > copyrights? }o) > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > Robb Muise "An it harm none, do as ye will" > > Escalations Manager > > Shore.net Network Operations Center > > Email:email_address_removed > > Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 > > Cell Phone: 978-884-6423 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robb Muise What do we want? "Brains!" Network Monitoring Manager When do we want them? "Brains!" PRIMUS Managed Hosting Solutions Email:email_address_removed Phone:781-586-6181 Pager: 1-888-995-6645 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:48:33 -0400 From: Robert Rivers To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Faites in RI Message-ID: >>Oh and props to the d0od from the list wearing his mailing list shirt and a >>red sox hat. hey that's me. definately a kick ass show for Fates, I wish they would put Mark Zonder up on some kind of riser or something, the guy like sits on the floor, I'm 6' 2" and could only see him when Ray left the stage during the beginning of Still remains ( which blew me away!) I left after Fates also, had to drive back to NH I would have gone to the Hartford if they were headlining, that must of been cool being joined by Frank & Joe Bob oh yeah glad to see this list come back from the dead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5832 Message-ID: > From: Brian D Hayden > > ]From what I see, I don't think the "decline" of the 'jam has much to > do > with spam. It has to do with the fact that there's not many > interesting > thoughtful people posting anymore. > > :shrug: I really think it boils down to sheer numbers though. The more members of the list there are, the more active, daily posters you're going to get. This is the only mailing list I've heard of in recent years that gets spam. (In fact, the other day someone on the TEOF list mentioned the Ytsejam and the word "spam" in the same sentence. It has become synonymous). To just chalk it up to "uninteresting people" is a very passive way to look at it. If the list worked like the way it should, I'd tend to agree with you, but each Jam contains spam and it's driving people away. How can it not? When I see spam in my inbox, I trash it, plain and simple. When the Jam becomes synonymous with spam, what do you expect people to do? Does anyone have the current figures of the population of this list right now? Also, does anyone recall at what the peak volume of this list was several years back? I seem to recall numbers in the range of 1500 or more. Skadz? > From: Brad Plumb > > Actually, I thought that's where we were now... we've moved 2 or 3 > times in > the past couple of years for this very reason.... I find it hard to believe that a listowner whose list was inundated with spam would move it to another server that allows outside posts just like before. Yes, the list has moved, but there was no spam before torchsong. > From: Robert Muise > > Actually I'm surprised its not setup to not allow non members to > post. > That seems to be the default for all mailing lists... Exactly my point. To prove this (as if it needs proving), I'll log onto my Hotmail account right now that is NOT subcribed to this list and post something. You'll know it's me because it'll be from email_address_removed. - Dr. Teeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:00:53 -0400 From: "Dave Peterson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Random post from the outside, non-subscribed world Message-ID: Hey, guys. It's me. Here to sell you something. ;) We'll see if this gets through. - Dr. Teeth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:01:10 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Faites in RI Message-ID: At 09:02 AM 4/27/2001 -0700, Robert Rivers wrote: > >>Oh and props to the d0od from the list wearing his mailing list shirt >and a > >>red sox hat. > >hey that's me. > >definately a kick ass show for Fates, I wish they would put Mark Zonder >up on some kind of riser or something, the guy like sits on the floor, >I'm 6' 2" and could only see him when Ray left the stage during the >beginning of Still remains ( which blew me away!) You went absolutely apeshit during that song, my gf asked "who's that freak" My response "Oh thats a Ytsejammer, he's diggin it" LOL i was up on the laft hand alcove near the speakers, right next to the lil bar area that was there. I luckily was able to see everything. But it does seem like he sits reallllllll low... >I left after Fates also, had to drive back to NH > >I would have gone to the Hartford if they were headlining, that must of >been cool being joined by Frank & Joe > >Bob > >oh yeah glad to see this list come back from the dead --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robb Muise What do we want? "Brains!" Network Monitoring Manager When do we want them? "Brains!" PRIMUS Managed Hosting Solutions Email:email_address_removed Phone:781-586-6181 Pager: 1-888-995-6645 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Peterson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A post out of love Message-ID: Yeah, I just sent that e-mail and it should be arriving shortly. Guys, lets keep discussing this stuff though. Any ideas? Can we convert this list to a "members only" posting format? As I asked before, Is the trouble of moving (and improving) this list greater than having to watch this list's membership dwindle and have its reputation be reduced to crap? Skadz, can you chime in on this because it's ultimately your decision. I just want to stir up some discussion, that's all. See ya! - Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:15:34 -0000 From: "Charlie Korch" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: M2: DVD Easter Eggs? Message-ID: Hey guys; I was wondering if anyone has found any Easter Eggs (you know, hidden stuff) on the new DT DVD besides the pschotherapist tryouts located within the color bar test within the set-up option? This DVD is so jam packed, it makes me almost feel better about missing the show in person. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 2001 17:16:49 +0100 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: A post out of love Message-ID: Dave Peterson writes: > As I asked before, Is the trouble of moving (and improving) this > list greater than having to watch this list's membership dwindle and > have its reputation be reduced to crap? I would hate to see the Jam die. I've been here a long time and made some good friends - most of the "family" seems to have disappeared over the last year though. :-( > Skadz, can you chime in on this because it's ultimately your decision. > I just want to stir up some discussion, that's all. Skadz hasn't "been" here for many months. Maybe he's still subscribed, but he doesn't seem to *read* anything, and he certainly never posts. -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 2001 12:27:16 -0400 From: Ryan P Skadberg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SPAM .... Message-ID: Hi All ... I heard some rumors that people are complaining about the SPAM. I will work this weekend to get the SPAM filters in place which will cut down/get rid of all the SPAM. A number of people have asked me in the past why we do not enforce the subscriber only posting. The reason is that alot of people have multiple email addresses that they post from and only 1 is subscribed. Ken and I talked about this a long time ago and its easier to leave this off than turn it on, trust me. Hopefully alot of the SPAM will go away after this weekend. When you have problems like this, please email me and I will work on em, don't just get all up in arms on the list. Skadz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan P Skadberg E: email_address_removed Director of Technology U: http://www.mindstorm.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG fingerprint = 38A2 FF47 8FE3 B86A 7C68 6ECF 947D 4E9F 5FA9 637C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A post out of love Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Dave Peterson wrote: > > Yeah, I just sent that e-mail and it should be arriving shortly. > > Guys, lets keep discussing this stuff though. Any ideas? Can we > convert this list to a "members only" posting format? > > As I asked before, Is the trouble of moving (and improving) this list > greater than having to watch this list's membership dwindle and have > its reputation be reduced to crap? > > Skadz, can you chime in on this because it's ultimately your decision. > I just want to stir up some discussion, that's all. hey, for all we know, skadz has dropped off the list too. i can't remember the last time i saw a post from him, much less in response to the fact that something needs to change here. come skadz, speak up man. where the hell are you? do you even give a rip? what's the deal? -ryften N.P. - Vinnie Moore "The Maze" > > See ya! > > - Dave > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:46:34 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: SPAM .... Message-ID: <011101c0cf39$9e4dfad0$message_id_removed> >The reason is that alot of people have > multiple email addresses that they post from and only 1 is subscribed. > Ken and I talked about this a long time ago and its easier to leave this > off than turn it on, trust me. Excuse me for speaking up, but, that is bollocks! If people want to use other email accounts, then they should subscribe using those accounts as well. Allowing incoming messages from subscribers only will be a godsend. And aside from the laziness of people who want to use more than one email account without subscribing, I don't see why this rule should continue. joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SPAM .... Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, HJ Rivera wrote: > > The reason is that alot of people have multiple email addresses that > > they post from and only 1 is subscribed. Ken and I talked about this > > a long time ago and its easier to leave this off than turn it on, > > trust me. > > Excuse me for speaking up, but, that is bollocks! If people want to > use other email accounts, then they should subscribe using those > accounts as well. Allowing incoming messages from subscribers only > will be a godsend. And aside from the laziness of people who want to > use more than one email account without subscribing, I don't see why > this rule should continue. I must concur. As much as I can understand why Skadz leaves this feature off, it is the lesser of two evils to implement it. I can imagine that it would have been easier when it was only one or two messages of spam sent to the 'jam every few days, but now that it has skyrocketed to several messages per day, I believe that the benefits of turning on member-only posting outweigh the advantages of having it turned off. However, Mr. Rivera, why don't we see how well the list responds to Skadz's anti-spam attempts before we jump to any conclusions? To tell the truth, though, I don't believe it will do much good. Spam has become an all-out warfare, and every time somebody comes up with a means to inhibit it, it fights back with a vengeance. It's at these times that I hate capitalism. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:26:10 -0000 From: "Douglas Gray" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5832 Message-ID: I'm afraid I have to agree about the state of the Ytse Spam. Come on everybody, I though DT had just released a DVD or something, or Am I in a parallel universe here? Not a single post about it in the last post! Oh, BTW here's my solution for consolidating your debts - don't fucking get any in the first place! Cheers Doug _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Fate worse than spam Message-ID: Hey Jammers, Just a thought on the spam being terrible, which it is quite horrible, but isn't including the ubiquitous Original Message, or worse still several messages, just as bad, if not more maloderous ? I think the jam is in a tailspin cause no one is trying very hard . the new is worn off and other lists or forums such as mp.com or SyX are shiny and vibrant now. I dunno but I still dig da shit out of the jam myself. BTW that Get out of debt re: by Robb was just hilarious, made me waste a hit choking.Who says there are no thoughtful or funny posts anymore ( I happened to take 10 minutes coming up with big intrusive words to use on this post myself ) and the DT DVD Dialog is informative for those of us who still don't have it ( boohoo or dvd player for that matter . neener? ) How about a good flame war ? Maybe open up a forbidden can of worms just to liven things up? Or perhaps a thread of porn moments since people having sex is almost always interesting. Oh well, just trying to start something. Wanna make something of it? May the weekend find you laughing. Billy np Caught in a Web. "Spin in a cage denied and misread" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:33:56 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: SPAM .... Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33A8C@ISDCRE00> Someone please carbon copy Skadz on these so he can see them as well. (at his email address) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Coutermarsh [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:21 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: SPAM .... > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, HJ Rivera wrote: > > > > The reason is that alot of people have multiple email addresses that > > > they post from and only 1 is subscribed. Ken and I talked about this > > > a long time ago and its easier to leave this off than turn it on, > > > trust me. > > > > Excuse me for speaking up, but, that is bollocks! If people want to > > use other email accounts, then they should subscribe using those > > accounts as well. Allowing incoming messages from subscribers only > > will be a godsend. And aside from the laziness of people who want to > > use more than one email account without subscribing, I don't see why > > this rule should continue. > > I must concur. As much as I can understand why Skadz leaves this feature > off, it is the lesser of two evils to implement it. I can imagine that it > would have been easier when it was only one or two messages of spam sent > to the 'jam every few days, but now that it has skyrocketed to several > messages per day, I believe that the benefits of turning on member-only > posting outweigh the advantages of having it turned off. > > However, Mr. Rivera, why don't we see how well the list responds to > Skadz's anti-spam attempts before we jump to any conclusions? To tell the > truth, though, I don't believe it will do much good. Spam has become an > all-out warfare, and every time somebody comes up with a means to inhibit > it, it fights back with a vengeance. > > It's at these times that I hate capitalism. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Coutermarsh > email_address_removed > http://cout.dhs.org/ > ------------------------------------------------- > The average woman would rather have beauty than > brains, because the average man can see better > than he can think. > ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:35:26 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SPAM .... Message-ID: hehe of the 10 current posters on the jam, which one of us uses 2 email addresses? :) At 10:21 AM 4/27/2001 -0700, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, HJ Rivera wrote: > > > > The reason is that alot of people have multiple email addresses that > > > they post from and only 1 is subscribed. Ken and I talked about this > > > a long time ago and its easier to leave this off than turn it on, > > > trust me. > > > > Excuse me for speaking up, but, that is bollocks! If people want to > > use other email accounts, then they should subscribe using those > > accounts as well. Allowing incoming messages from subscribers only > > will be a godsend. And aside from the laziness of people who want to > > use more than one email account without subscribing, I don't see why > > this rule should continue. > >I must concur. As much as I can understand why Skadz leaves this feature >off, it is the lesser of two evils to implement it. I can imagine that it >would have been easier when it was only one or two messages of spam sent >to the 'jam every few days, but now that it has skyrocketed to several >messages per day, I believe that the benefits of turning on member-only >posting outweigh the advantages of having it turned off. > >However, Mr. Rivera, why don't we see how well the list responds to >Skadz's anti-spam attempts before we jump to any conclusions? To tell the >truth, though, I don't believe it will do much good. Spam has become an >all-out warfare, and every time somebody comes up with a means to inhibit >it, it fights back with a vengeance. > >It's at these times that I hate capitalism. > >------------------------------------------------- >Andrew Coutermarsh >email_address_removed >http://cout.dhs.org/ >------------------------------------------------- >The average woman would rather have beauty than >brains, because the average man can see better >than he can think. >------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robb Muise What do we want? "Brains!" Network Monitoring Manager When do we want them? "Brains!" PRIMUS Managed Hosting Solutions Email:email_address_removed Phone:781-586-6181 Pager: 1-888-995-6645 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:35:59 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33A8D@ISDCRE00> I'm not a fan of portable players. I like to hear the CD in audio format through my car stereo. I much prefer my sound system over headphones in the car.. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Robb Muise [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 10:41 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: burn in hell ya stinky pirate > > > then again you could just say fuck it and go out and buy one of them > portable mp3 cd players, burn about 100 songs to a cd in mp3 format and > snub your nose at everyone.. > > > > Yes I do have a cd thats all DT :) > > At 08:24 AM 4/27/2001 -0700, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote: > > >Correct. No copyright stuff here. I was talking about making a CD-Copy > of > >CDs you already own and keeping the CDR's in your automobile as backups. > >If those get scratched up, it's ok as you can make more copies. If your > >ORIGINAL gets scratched up or stolen, that's unfortunate. Let the CDR's > >take the abuse :) > > > > JM > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robert Muise [SMTP:email_address_removed > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:38 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Re: burn in hell ya stinky pirate > > > > > > > > > legally you can make a backup of it if you already own it. Same goes > for > > > videogames. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, CyberDuke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You guys shouldve been there when i got carjacked out of my pimp > > > > > > ride (j/k) and lost over 70 cds , including my > > > > > > dt/lte/sideproject collection :( > > > > > > > > > > That's why having a CD burner is an advantage. Burning copies of > > > > > special CDs I wouldn't want to get messed up or stolen out of a > > > > > vehicle. > > > > > > > > Oh mine, but doesn't it have to do something with the almighty > > > > copyrights? }o) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > Robb Muise "An it harm none, do as ye will" > > > Escalations Manager > > > Shore.net Network Operations Center > > > Email:email_address_removed > > > Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 > > > Cell Phone: 978-884-6423 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------- > Robb Muise What do we want? > "Brains!" > Network Monitoring Manager When do we want them? > "Brains!" > PRIMUS Managed Hosting Solutions > Email:email_address_removed > Phone:781-586-6181 > Pager: 1-888-995-6645 > > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5833 **************************