YTSEJAM Digest 5794 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5793 by "Dominic H. Kallas" 2) Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia" by "Andre Navarro" 3) Re: Natural Viagra by email_address_removed 4) Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia" by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?= 5) Jimmy Johnson by "Matthew Tedesco" 6) Paul Gilbert w/Sherinian? by "Matt Molite" 7) savatage first impressions by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 8) Re: Jimmy Johnson by "Korg Ecksthrey" 9) Do it From Home... by email_address_removed.au 10) Mortgage Rates DROPPED! Act Now & Save! 13661 by email_address_removed 11) Drive Your Web Counter Ballistic 6639 by email_address_removed 12) the K word by "Alex O'Connell" 13) switching tracks by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 14) Re: switching tracks by Andrew Coutermarsh 15) derek's band by "email_address_removed.au" 16) Re: switching tracks by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 17) Re: old-timers by "Kez" 18) old-timer Ytsejammers by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 19) what is prog? by Peter Van Daele 20) Re: what is prog? by Andrew Coutermarsh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Dominic H. Kallas" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5793 Message-ID: > Two songs also feature violinist Jerry Goodman, which especially > makes the song "Astroglide" sound like a long lost U.K. track. > "Astroglide," eh? I'd ask how Derek is familiar with that product, but that would be too slippery a topic... Electronically, Dom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:10:32 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" To: Subject: Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia" Message-ID: DUH!! hehe =) How come I didnt know about this new album? > > For samples, check out http://www.xplanetx.com/ > > Oops, make that http://www.dereksherinian.com/ > > Mark Bredius ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andre Navarro "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Natural Viagra Message-ID: --WebTV-Mail-15296-3863 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hey Jammers, Just thought I'd let y'all know there is a generic form of Viagra available. It's called Micoxarising and I hear tell it's fairly cheap though I wouldn't need any since the opening sequence to "Home" always gives me a boner. Peace or in this case Piece Billy np w/myself live in the bedroom --WebTV-Mail-15296-3863 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Image by FlamingText.com
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>I would start out with Dead Winter Dead.  (And not just 'cause it was my first, hehe)  This is >a fantastic album and gives a good indication of where Savatage are now, musically - of >course I haven't heard the new one, Poets & Madmen, which has been called a "change"....

I might go with Edge of Thorns as a first Sava disc, because (even though they change members almost every CD) that was where their big transition came into play....It was the first album with Zak Stevens, their last with Criss Oliva, so it kind of foretells the next 8 years, while still looking back at the previous 8-9. The songs are more indicative of where they went afterwards, hinting at the somewhat symphonic metal direction they were to take through the end of the 90s, but with some songs retaining the crunch of where they had been.

As for Poets and Madmen, my first impressions is that they tailored it for Jon Oliva's vocals, returning to some of the riff styles that they used back in the 80s. A first couple of listens put me in the mind more of Gutter Ballet than of any of the stuff they did since, and while I'm liking it a lot, I can't help but keep thinking at certain points, " this part would have been soooo cool with Zak singing." This may well turn out to be one of those, "What might have been..." albums for me. The obvious dichotomy of zak=poets and jon=madmen (vocals wise) would have been interesting to hear.

Partha


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------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:46:49 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the K word Message-ID: >> Off Grace again the other day and was struck by the >> soft quality of Kuntz's voice.. amazing. >hehe... he said kuntz. Or rather, she said. :) Did I catch ya'll while you were still drunk? Alex, currently not drunk and also hungry from not having eaten any dinner Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown. BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and bitch-slap the motherfucker upside the head. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 04:14:25 From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: switching tracks Message-ID: hey, how come no one called me on all the html junk that was embedded in my posts? Used to be, people were all over that crap, but now no one cares any more....or maybe I've been here too long? :) apologies, if necessary partha _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: switching tracks Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote: > hey, how come no one called me on all the html junk that was embedded > in my posts? Used to be, people were all over that crap, but now no > one cares any more....or maybe I've been here too long? :) Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :) Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back... but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- "It isn't pollution that's harming the environ- ment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." - Dan Quayle ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:17:23 +1100 From: "email_address_removed.au" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: derek's band Message-ID: > Guitars are handled by Steve Lukather (Toto) and Zakk Wylde, > with Simon Phillips (also of Toto) on drums... The bassplayers > are Tony Franklin (who also plays on Derek's "Planet X" album), > Tom Kennedy (from Planet X's "Universe") and Jimmy Johnson > (never heard of him)... > Didnt Jimmy Johnson play with Allan Holdsworth? Hmm... what do people think of Steve Lukather. The only stuff of his I have is this instructional video he did and a concert with Jeff Beck and Santana both of whom completely wipe the floor with him. What's he been doing recently? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:16:12 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: switching tracks Message-ID: Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :) > > Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the > 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only > joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us > left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back... > but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously > don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years? I dont consider myself a high profile user, but i joined the list just about the time Acos was released... Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:58:24 -0500 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: old-timers Message-ID: <004101c0aafc$827414e0$0300005a@kezp3800> Andrew Count..........Courta.......Cutor.........ummmmm.........Cloak wrote: > > Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the > 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only > joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us > left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back... > but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously > don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years? Well, I'm not at all high profile, except for the brief exchange of mini-flames with MP about the Deep Purple gigs(which I'm sure no one here remembers besides me) way back in '98, but I've been here since around the same time as you, Cloak. I read it all, just don't post much. And I miss Bafu. Kez, an elder 'Jammer, kind of. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:24:15 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: old-timer Ytsejammers Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1C8F@ISDCRE00> Hmm my first Ytsejam digest was # 700 and I've been here ever since. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:31 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: switching tracks > > > Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > > > Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :) > > > > Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on > the > > 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only > > joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us > > left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back... > > but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I > obviously > > don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years? > > I dont consider myself a high profile user, but i joined the list just > about > the time Acos was released... > > > Carlos A. Alfaro > Internet Solutions, Inc > P.O. Box 29742 > San Juan, PR 00929 > Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 > =============================== > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:35:54 MET From: Peter Van Daele To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: what is prog? Message-ID: The other day, I had a discussion with my brother about progressive music= =2E We have some so-called progressive albums that we really like (full discogra= phy of DreamTheater, Spock's Beard, Vanden Plas (The God Thing actually does resemble DT a lot), PoS, and some others), so I thought I knew what was progressive. I had this tune written which I concidered to be quite progressive. So I = made my brother listen to it, and he replied:'That's not prog. Your chords are= all wrong to be prog, blablablabla' Anyway, in short, he said that in order t= o be progressive, all chords should resolve in the next, while that was not th= e case in that song. Hence, the song was plain old anything-but-prog. It made me think about something. I always thought about progressive musi= c as a complex melodic-oriented music. I never thought about theoretic characteristics, as he did. As some of you in this list are actual musicians with actual knowledge ab= out music, I'm asking you: what is it that makes prog prog? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: what is prog? Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Peter Van Daele wrote: > The other day, I had a discussion with my brother about progressive > music. We have some so-called progressive albums that we really like > (full discography of Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Vanden Plas (The > God Thing actually does resemble DT a lot), PoS, and some others), so > I thought I knew what was progressive. I had this tune written which I > concidered to be quite progressive. So I made my brother listen to it, > and he replied:'That's not prog. Your chords are all wrong to be prog, > blablablabla' Anyway, in short, he said that in order to be progres- > sive, all chords should resolve in the next, while that was not the > case in that song. Hence, the song was plain old anything-but-prog. > It made me think about something. I always thought about progressive > music as a complex melodic-oriented music. I never thought about > theoretic characteristics, as he did. As some of you in this list are > actual musicians with actual knowledge about music, I'm asking you: > what is it that makes prog prog? I suggest that, since a lot of people (especially those of us who have been on for a year or more) have seen this discussion WAY more than once, that you check the ytsejam archives and look for answers there. :) But truly, I think it's so pointless to try and put a label like progres- sive on something you write. I mean, unless you're trying to cater to a certain audience, why do you have to label your music? I dunno, I just think that if you're arguing over whether it's prog or not, somebody's missing the point of the music. I always hate these 'what is prog' discussions that start up because it encourages us to limit our thinking. Let's not do that. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- "It isn't pollution that's harming the environ- ment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." - Dan Quayle ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5794 **************************