YTSEJAM Digest 5768 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5766 by "Janne Lunnas" 2) RE: Annual Fan Club CD Bitching by "Mark Bredius" 3) Re: Australia by Graham Borland 4) Re: Australia by Graham Borland 5) Re: Australia by Graham Borland 6) Freak Kitchen by Kevin Rios 7) Re: Kev Moore on bass... by Michael Kizer 8) Re: Jens and napster by Michael Kizer 9) bonus cd/ rent 2cd by "Trevor Hoit" 10) Napstah! Buh-bye! by "Chris Ptacek" 11) Re: bonus cd/ rent 2cd by Graham Boyle 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5767 by Superior - Bernd Basmer 13) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! by Coldfire The Gallery Mistress 14) AudioGalaxy by "Jan-Michael" 15) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! by David Dixon 16) breath of fresh air....... by Eric George 17) Napster by CyberDuke 18) cd's for sale (no DT) by "Sarah Hallum (nee Fontes)" 19) Re: Napstah! Buh-bye! by "Andre Navarro" 20) RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! by Andrew Coutermarsh 21) re: Kitchen Freaks by Brian Hansen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:12:13 +0200 From: "Janne Lunnas" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5766 Message-ID:

couter-not-counter says: >>Wait a second here. You're bitching about something >>that you get as a BONUS? >In all fairness, I think a lot of people signed up only for that >"bonus". I'm not sure what the details are, but isn't it supposed to be >included in the price? If they don't intend to release it at christmas >time, I don't think it's a big deal, but stop calling it a christmas CD. >it's screwin' with people's expectations. > josh You're right man! I totally don't have that kind of money to buy just a couple of little magazines, that CD is the biggest reason to sign in for me.. Janne

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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:09:55 +0100 From: "Mark Bredius" To: Subject: RE: Annual Fan Club CD Bitching Message-ID: <001101c0967f$0ae581c0$0100007f@localhost> Charlie Farrell wrote: > I don't know if the 'Theater of Dreams' Fanzine is affected by > the same problem, however, it does surprise me that no one has > put out a message (via Itchy's news list or whatever) to calm > peoples worries. The new "Theater Of Dreams" fanzine has been collecting dust for five or six weeks now... The cover specifically mentions that it includes the CD, so the fanzine can't be sent out without it... There has been talk of sending out an official statement from the fanclubs about the delay, but I haven't received anything yet... Once I do, it'll be posted on dreamtheater.net, the newsletter and of course the DTIFC site... For what it's worth, Marillion's Christmas CD was delayed also... I received mine in the mail yesterday... The difference is that Marillion themselves are in charge of putting together the CD's... As a result, the fans are less likely to complain about the delay... "They must be busy working on the new album"... Know what I mean?... Mark Bredius ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.TRANSATLANTICweb.com/ Double Live Album out in March New *Exclusive* MP3 available at: http://www.PorcupineTree.com/ http://www.DreamTheater.net/ Live DVD/VHS out on March 20, 2001 The Official Spock's Beard Website: http://www.SpocksBeard.com/ http://www.HappyCoupons.com/ Coupons for your favourite stores ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:24:18 +0000 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Australia Message-ID: Graham Boyle writes: > The are couple of very good metal shops to spend your cash, in > Sydney and Melbourne. If you do come to Sydney I'd glady show you > around and have a beer or 2 with you. I'll bear that in mind. Cheers. :-) -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:25:03 +0000 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Australia Message-ID: Brian Kirk writes: > Anyone else starting to feel like they're watching a Python skit? > > Brian "Mind if we call you 'Graham'? It's less confusing." Kirk No, Graham and I are much funnier. -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 12:26:32 +0000 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Australia Message-ID: "Paul Tadday" writes: > As summer ends here in Oz so to do the festivals. Not that there > were really many heavy bands here this year for those anyway. Deep > Purple will be here in March followed by Kiss in April. There are > also rumours of Tool, Dio, Slash, Bon Jovi, Creed, Devin Townsend I would love to see Devin Townsend... > Vanishing Point, Pegazus, Mortification and heaps of others. Look > out for Krane also! (hehehe... had to get that plug in there!) > ;) .. and Vanishing Point. Where can I find out more about live shows in Oz? -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Rios To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Freak Kitchen Message-ID: WOW! I would like to extend a big Thank You to the individual who brought these guys up. I now have a new favorite band. The only disc I have not heard so far is the newest. Also, I would HIGHLY suggest picking up their 3rd self-titled release (or "Bull" is it?). That one is definately my fav so far. Someone said that it wasn't one to start off with, but I think it holds it's own just fine. Excellent melodies and guitar work. Once again, THANK YOU! WilsonCat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:20:13 -0800 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass... Message-ID: Gotta read those liner notes... DAFR: Joey Vera bass (on 3,4,5) & Moore This Is A Recording: Kevin Moore - Vocals, Keyboards, Bass You Go Now: Kevin Moore - Vocals, Keyboards, Bass and I had heard some time ago from a good source that Kev does indeed have a bass guitar lying around. ;-) ~Mike At 07:47 AM 2/13/01 -0800, you wrote: >I'm pretty sure Kev didn't play any bass on that album. Or any real bass, >anyway. It was Joey Vera of Fates Warning who was the bassist on Dead Air >for Radios. Joey Vera's and Mark Zonder's playing on the album was one of >the things I loved (and still love) on it. =) > >-WT- > > >----- Original Message ----- >]From: "Michael Kizer" > > I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass > > lines via keyboard. > > At 10:30 AM 2/12/01 -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > >yeah but im pretty sure he used keyboards for it :) > > >Oddvar Lovaas wrote: > > > > didn't kev do the basses himself on DAFR? ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:36:19 -0800 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jens and napster Message-ID: At 09:31 PM 2/13/01 -0800, you wrote: >And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability of >mp3's on Napster!! >I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have >had the chance to hear. But how did you know what band to search for on Napster? If someone told you the name of the band to check out, why wouldn't it be just as easy to go to that band's website and download the MP3 songs and/or samples that the artist themselves have placed there (and bands that aren't already doing this need to get with the program). Then once you hear a few tracks or whatever the artist wants to put on their website (hell, many might put the whole album up if _they choose to_) you can buy the album. >Jens I'm sure that there are alot more people in the world that are now >tuned in to your music thanks to those evil mp3's! I doubt that Jens thinks MP3s are evil, but rather the wholesale facilitation-of-mass-distribution that Napster provides. >It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's >worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!! >*things that make you go "hmmmmmm"* But who says that those sales figures wouldn't be at least that high if Napster never existed? There is no way of telling what Napster's impact was on record sales (and I have spoken to many people who no longer buy ANY CDs at all because they can just download the songs and burn their own CDs). Also, I found it interesting that Napster, Inc. stated that if they started charging a measly $4.95 for their service, they expect the 50 million users they now have on the free system to drop to about 20,000 (that's a lot of cheap skates!) ;-) ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:23:43 -0800 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: bonus cd/ rent 2cd Message-ID: <002101c096a2$808397f0$message_id_removed> >> In all fairness, I think a lot of people signed up only for that >> "bonus". I'm not sure what the details are, but isn't it supposed to be >> included in the price? >Then a lot of people signed up for the wrong reason, unless one of the fan >clubs used it as a selling point to signing up. The cd is the only reason I am a member. All the info in the mags is horrible dated by the time you get it (no offense to the publishers) thanks to this list and the DT website. I have a feeling membership will go way down, once the bonus cds stop. > I was going to buy the Rent 2 disc soundtrack for my girl for >V-Day, but the only place that had it was Camelot for a price of $48. Damn, you got a computer, use it!! Used: Ebay $15-$24 Spun $15.49 Half $17-$26 New: VHQmusic $20 Djanjos $23 playcentric $20 or there's always napster.... :) Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:50:55 -0600 From: "Chris Ptacek" To: Subject: Napstah! Buh-bye! Message-ID: <008201c096ae$af1d9000$80b0fea9@madstation> > From: Chris Elder > Subject: Napster woes Wow. Denial is a powerful thing. You made some good points (cd costs, etc) which most musicians are pissed about as well... but half of what you said can ONLY be described as pure rubbish. > good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band. Most people don't keep > whole albums in their library. It is also a pain to download full CDs. You are the FIRST person I've met who used Napster and didn't go for full albums. You're ALSO the ONLY person I've ever heard complain about the inconvenience of DLing music for free, from your chair instead of going out and buying it. "Oh no, I have to go to a web page and keep track of what I'm going to steal! This sucks." Pardon me if I fail to shed any tears. > Anyway, I - apparently unlike anyone else on the jam, am not made of > $money$. Well, you don't seem to SPEND your money on music, so I'd have to be left with the conclusion that you have plenty of it lying around. > I don't have foreign contacts, and if some band from podunk Thailand or > wherever is worried about a couple(hundred) people downloading their album > overseas, then they should release it domestically. Should and could are different things. Do you honestly believe that there are many musicians in the world who DON'T want their music released in the US? Do you know ANYTHING about the process of recording and releasing music? Do you know anything about record contracts and distribution? > And don't give me the band makes money in there somewhere thing. Crap. > Total crap. I've read many times that a band makes little to nothing on CD > sales, they all make it on touring, and merchandising. Stuff the record > company doesn't control. Total denial. You have musicians on this list who have said in numerous posts that they get paid for the cds people buy. I know a few independent artists who make half of every cd sold, after they recoup production costs. You aren't making an argument. You're putting up a wall to shield yourself from having to acknowledge that you don't care about supporting music... you only care about yourself. You wouldn't even spend money on your GF... hehehe you sound like a cheap-ass. > Lets try something. The way sales should be done is like this $1-$2 for > manufacturing. $5 for the record company, and $5 for the band. A CD should > be no more than $12. When I walk into Camelot or Sam Goody and see a SINGLE > CD for $17.99 or $18.99 I just laugh. This is PURE GENIUS! Why didn't I THINK OF THIS! $5 for the label... $5 for the artist, and $1-2 for costs... awesome! I think this is going to work perfectly, with all of the not-for-profit record stores out there, and the benevolent and philanthropic distributers out there. Dude, you shouldn't have brought this idea up on a public forum... someone is BOUND to steal it and revolutionize the industry. You don't have to pay $17.99 for a cd. When you see a price like that, turn your back on the establishment that's selling it to you. Most shops pay $7-12 per cd, depending on the artist/label/availability etc. You can find any domestic release for $14 or so, and you can find most european imports for $15-17. Maybe you're just not willing to try. > Maybe that is why a Disc Jockey, Camelot, NRM, and HMV(I think that's what > it was) all closed near me in the past couple of years. Actually, that's probably a result of Best Buy, who used to sell cds at low prices, until the competition was beaten down, and now they suck just as bad as everyone else. > In conclusion: > Napster to me was not about getting free music. It was about sticking it to > the record companies, telling them we aren't going to take it anymore. Here > let me put the lube on for them. YEAH! STICK IT TO THE MAN! YOUR VOICE IS HEARD! YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DENT! Way to go. I'm proud of you. You're full of shit. > From: "Paul Tadday" > Subject: Jens and napster > > And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability of > mp3's on Napster!! > I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have > had the chance to hear. Why can't you let the bands decide if they want their music available for free? Why do you have to take that initiative yourself, and why do you assume that you have that right, and that it's just fine and dandy? Don't get me wrong, I agree, MP3s can help bands. And I think it rules that you buy what you DL (no sarcasm) but why is that a justification for copyright violation/piracy? Isn't there any alternative? I know I remember a day when we would dl small wav files or ra clips, or even a rare MP3 or 2 from a web site, that we would use to sample a band. I know that was enough for me to buy albums. Maybe I'm wacky, but I don't think people need to DL full albums of cd quality music to decide whether or not they want to support a band that they think rocks. > It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's > worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!! > *things that make you go "hmmmmmm"* I challenge you to show how the two are statistically or factually related. I would like to know how that's related to Napster and not a booming economy. It's a point that so many Napster users love to dangle and prance about, but I have yet to see the two points linked. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:01:16 +1100 From: Graham Boyle To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: bonus cd/ rent 2cd Message-ID: Trevor Hoit wrote: > The cd is the only reason I am a member. All the info in the mags is > horrible dated by the time you get it (no offense to the publishers) > thanks to this list and the DT website. I have a feeling membership > will go way down, once the bonus cds stop. What most of you are forgetting, is tha not all members of the DTIFC have computers and internet access, so the magazine is there only source of information. on DT. graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:23:03 +0100 From: Superior - Bernd Basmer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5767 Message-ID: Hi! Charlie wrote: >yeah, but the last one I received was mid-september 2000. >guess you've been otherwise occupied :-)) Heh, yeah... I know. But I haven't been lazy for sure. :) The next one will be out tomorrow. Greetings Bernd -------------------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior For info about Superior look at http://www.meet-superior.de/ -------------------------------------------------------------- It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: Coldfire The Gallery Mistress To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! Message-ID: <385203842.982175569943.JavaMail.root@web431-wrb> Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jam He's baaaaaaaack! Welcome back Mads...long time no post. Coldie ------Original Message------ ]From: "Chris Ptacek" To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: February 14, 2001 5:55:26 PM GMT Subject: Napstah! Buh-bye! > From: Chris Elder > Subject: Napster woes Wow. Denial is a powerful thing. You made some good points (cd costs, etc) which most musicians are pissed about as well... but half of what you said can ONLY be described as pure rubbish. > good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band. Most people don't keep > whole albums in their library. It is also a pain to download full CDs. You are the FIRST person I've met who used Napster and didn't go for full albums. You're ALSO the ONLY person I've ever heard complain about the inconvenience of DLing music for free, from your chair instead of going out and buying it. "Oh no, I have to go to a web page and keep track of what I'm going to steal! This sucks." Pardon me if I fail to shed any tears. > Anyway, I - apparently unlike anyone else on the jam, am not made of > $money$. Well, you don't seem to SPEND your money on music, so I'd have to be left with the conclusion that you have plenty of it lying around. > I don't have foreign contacts, and if some band from podunk Thailand or > wherever is worried about a couple(hundred) people downloading their album > overseas, then they should release it domestically. Should and could are different things. Do you honestly believe that there are many musicians in the world who DON'T want their music released in the US? Do you know ANYTHING about the process of recording and releasing music? Do you know anything about record contracts and distribution? > And don't give me the band makes money in there somewhere thing. Crap. > Total crap. I've read many times that a band makes little to nothing on CD > sales, they all make it on touring, and merchandising. Stuff the record > company doesn't control. Total denial. You have musicians on this list who have said in numerous posts that they get paid for the cds people buy. I know a few independent artists who make half of every cd sold, after they recoup production costs. You aren't making an argument. You're putting up a wall to shield yourself from having to acknowledge that you don't care about supporting music... you only care about yourself. You wouldn't even spend money on your GF... hehehe you sound like a cheap-ass. > Lets try something. The way sales should be done is like this $1-$2 for > manufacturing. $5 for the record company, and $5 for the band. A CD should > be no more than $12. When I walk into Camelot or Sam Goody and see a SINGLE > CD for $17.99 or $18.99 I just laugh. This is PURE GENIUS! Why didn't I THINK OF THIS! $5 for the label... $5 for the artist, and $1-2 for costs... awesome! I think this is going to work perfectly, with all of the not-for-profit record stores out there, and the benevolent and philanthropic distributers out there. Dude, you shouldn't have brought this idea up on a public forum... someone is BOUND to steal it and revolutionize the industry. You don't have to pay $17.99 for a cd. When you see a price like that, turn your back on the establishment that's selling it to you. Most shops pay $7-12 per cd, depending on the artist/label/availability etc. You can find any domestic release for $14 or so, and you can find most european imports for $15-17. Maybe you're just not willing to try. > Maybe that is why a Disc Jockey, Camelot, NRM, and HMV(I think that's what > it was) all closed near me in the past couple of years. Actually, that's probably a result of Best Buy, who used to sell cds at low prices, until the competition was beaten down, and now they suck just as bad as everyone else. > In conclusion: > Napster to me was not about getting free music. It was about sticking it to > the record companies, telling them we aren't going to take it anymore. Here > let me put the lube on for them. YEAH! STICK IT TO THE MAN! YOUR VOICE IS HEARD! YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DENT! Way to go. I'm proud of you. You're full of shit. > From: "Paul Tadday" > Subject: Jens and napster > > And I wonder how many new fans Stratovarious has due to the availability of > mp3's on Napster!! > I for one have discovered a heap of bands that I otherwise would not have > had the chance to hear. Why can't you let the bands decide if they want their music available for free? Why do you have to take that initiative yourself, and why do you assume that you have that right, and that it's just fine and dandy? Don't get me wrong, I agree, MP3s can help bands. And I think it rules that you buy what you DL (no sarcasm) but why is that a justification for copyright violation/piracy? Isn't there any alternative? I know I remember a day when we would dl small wav files or ra clips, or even a rare MP3 or 2 from a web site, that we would use to sample a band. I know that was enough for me to buy albums. Maybe I'm wacky, but I don't think people need to DL full albums of cd quality music to decide whether or not they want to support a band that they think rocks. > It's funny how Napster has over 500 million users yet the sales of cd's > worldwide has risen 6% in the last year!! > *things that make you go "hmmmmmm"* I challenge you to show how the two are statistically or factually related. I would like to know how that's related to Napster and not a booming economy. It's a point that so many Napster users love to dangle and prance about, but I have yet to see the two points linked. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:50:50 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" To: Subject: AudioGalaxy Message-ID: <001d01c096c7$d0389000$message_id_removed> I've got to pass the word about AudioGalaxy being a fine replacement for file-sharing software. It's actually web-based for file lookups and automatically chooses the best bandwidth path from you to grab your files. It has auto-resume, and it will queue files you are searching for even if those files aren't "online" at the time. It will keep them queued until someone with those files comes online. Very nice interface. Check it out. www.AudioGalaxy.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:30:15 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! Message-ID: First off, Ptacek - great post. Second - I also don't see why you have to have an entire album DL'd to sample a band. I probably couldn't count with 10 people's fingers and toes the bands whose albums I have purchased solely because of a low-quality, partial-song MP3 or two. Spock's Beard, Symphony X, Ayreon, Freak Kitchen, Gordian Knot, Sean Malone, Michael Manring, Tony Levin, and Shadow Gallery are just a few of them. And I was a part-time-working high school student at the time. Let's face it - music (listening AND performing) is an EXPENSIVE hobby. It's all a matter of priorities. I don't find myself spending so much money on albums these days - I'm getting married, entering a new apartment lease, gotta fix my car, gotta buy furniture, etc. But I don't spend my days cruising Napster DL'ing full albums because I can't afford to buy the damn things. If you have to spend the money on life essentials (food, cars, and houses, etc.), and can't afford to buy CD's, don't rip off the artist and the record company by circumventing the system. Not cool. -Dixon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:27:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eric George To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: breath of fresh air....... Message-ID: aaahhhhhhh, that was wonderful. ptacek, thank you for returning to grace the jam with what it has desperately needed for a while: an inteligent arguement. it felt damn good. -ryften ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:24:50 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Napster Message-ID: > Freak Kitchen is a band who really supports Napster You see? ;oP > From: Chris Elder > > Napster sucks. I do use it but really, it does suck. It is > only good if you want a couple of hit songs from a band. LOL, you gotta be kidding right? Then how come I got all Flower Kings albums, all Freak Kitchen ones etc etc etc. :) Naturally, it's still possible to improve Napster's way of work. For everything else you said, I'm up with you Chris. :) > Napster to me was not about getting free music. For me it is/was discovering new music, getting rare stuff and some songs that I would never buy the WHOLE album. Examples like: Tina Turner - Addicted To Love [live] Twin Peaks - Laura Palmer's Theme Eric Clapton & Lenny Kravitz - All Along The Watchtower etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Sarah Hallum (nee Fontes)" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: cd's for sale (no DT) Message-ID: Okay, Well, Jeremy and I are moving in just about 6 weeks time, and finally realized we *need* to get rid of some of our cd's (doubles, bad choices, what not), so I'm spamming you all: http://www.subtlerage.com/sarah/cdsale.txt If you see something you want, please let us know, and we'll work out pricing and trades... (mostly, we just want them gone!) Thanks! Sarah, who never posts on topic email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.subtlerage.com/sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:33:11 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" To: Subject: Re: Napstah! Buh-bye! Message-ID: Are we gonna start the napster thing all over again? *sigh* We all love music. Some can afford to buy cds, some can't. It's as simple as that. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andre Navarro "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Napstah! Buh-bye! Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Coldfire The Gallery Mistress wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jam > > He's baaaaaaaack! > > Welcome back Mads...long time no post. > > Coldie Yeah, I was rather happy to see Ptacek writing in again. I wonder if, like Al, he's just been sitting back and reading the jam and laughing his ass off at all the crap that's been going on. :) ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- "I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." - Dan Quayle ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Kitchen Freaks Message-ID: Chris Oates wrote about Freak Kitchen: > Good music. Reminds me of the early Galactic Cowboys > stuff. Too bad about the lyrics. Agreed. Music good, good vocals, lyrics lacking. > Is it just me or is anybody else tired of the complete lack of subtlety > in "social commentary" lyrics? I've had enough of "World BAD! Angst > GOOD!" to last me a lifetime. Disagreements with the political content of the lyrics aside, they also suffer a bit from the Yngwie school of "not quite proper" English at times. Only an issue if you're a picky bastard. ;o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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