YTSEJAM Digest 5766

Today's Topics:

  1) cheap freak kitchen
 by "Trevor Hoit" <email_address_removed>
  2) Re: Upcoming US tour:  Opeth, Nevermore, Children of Bodom
 by email_address_removed
  3) korg and napster
 by "Craig Wuthrich" <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: korg and napster
 by Brian Hayden <email_address_removed>
  5) library book
 by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
  6) Re: Mp3 abuse
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
  7) christmas cd
 by Joshua Rasiel <email_address_removed>
  8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5765
 by email_address_removed
  9) Merchant Status Will Increase Your Sales !!!
 by ashley3h@mnx.ne.jp
 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5765
 by "Mike and Susan Verstraete" <email_address_removed>
 11) Re: Freak Kitchen
 by Mike Patrick <email_address_removed>
 12) Re: Kev Moore on bass...
 by Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
 13) Cary from UNC?
 by "Ryan Park" <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: Mp3 abuse
 by Chris Oates <email_address_removed>
 15) Re: Kev Moore on bass...
 by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <email_address_removed>
 16) Australia
 by Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
 17) AudioGnome
 by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
 18) Re: Kev Moore on bass... You Go Now
 by Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
 19) Nevermore
 by Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
 20) Re: Kev Moore on bass...
 by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
 21) RE: Mp3 abuse
 by David Dixon <email_address_removed>
 22) Re: Australia
 by Graham Boyle <email_address_removed.au>
 23) Re: Australia
 by Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
 24) Re: [Korgx3] korg and napster
 by Jens Johansson <jens+@panix.com>
 25) Re: Australia
 by Graham Boyle <email_address_removed.au>

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:57:21 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: cheap freak kitchen
Message-ID: <002401c0952e$0387f590$message_id_removed>


  Well, I'm not totally sure what you mean, but here's some links to online
  stores where you can get Freak Kitchen:

 http://www.cdzone.co.uk/
 http://www.cduniverse.com/
 http://www.cdnow.com/
 http://www.cdconnection.com/
 http://www.musicmailexpress.com/

Only if you want to pay US$26-35 each!
If you want to pay around US$16 each go to
http://www.skivhugget.se/
It helps if you speak Swedish, but even if you don't
it's not hard to figure out. I did it......

Trevor

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:38:30 -0800
From: email_address_removed
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming US tour:  Opeth, Nevermore, Children of Bodom
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Paul, I think we need to arrange a mass wedding where you can marry all the members of Ozric Tentacles, and maybe Godhead :P  That having been said, can I stay at your house if these bands never hit the east coast?  How bout you, Phil?  Never heard Nevermore but I'm definitely into Opeth and CoB and I think I'd be willing to go across country to see them.

ChromaKey:  Mark Zonder kicks ass, plain and simple.  If you like nothing else, his cymbal work and the beautiful piano introduction to "On the Page" make the first disc, at least, worth buying.  I have yet to hear the second.

~~Amanda

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:10:19 -0700
From: "Craig Wuthrich" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: korg and napster
Message-ID: <002701c09538$51689710$19f0bed8@SYSTEM001>


Wow just when you thought Korgx3 was multitalented enough...

I was talking to my GF the other day and was telling her about some of my
musical endeavors and happened to mention "Chuck from Burley."

Her:  Chuck? I bet I know him.
Me:  Whatever.
Her:  Yea does he have long hair and wears a hat all the time?
Me:  uh yeaaa...
Her:  And he's kinda big and wears Iron Maiden shirts?
Me:  Bah! Lucky guesses all!
Her:  And he's into drafting and stuff?
Me:   Ack! Maybe you do know him.  How's that?
Her:  Oh we dated a couple times a while back.
Me: <sob>

Oy vey. What are the odds?

So napster is soon to be no more.  I'd just like to know why musicians think
they are somehow better than authors.  I don't hear any writers whining
about their books being put into libraries.

woot


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:23:01 -0600
From: Brian Hayden <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: korg and napster
Message-ID: <B6ADB055.8C1C%message_id_removed>


on 2/12/01 3:18 PM, Craig Wuthrich at email_address_removed scribbled in
vibrant crayola:

> So napster is soon to be no more.  I'd just like to know why musicians think
> they are somehow better than authors.  I don't hear any writers whining
> about their books being put into libraries.

You can't keep a library book (well, theoretically...)

-Brian

-- 

only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.

-keenan


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:49 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: library book
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1857@ISDCRE00>


Al Bundy did........... and it took him several years to return it.  Same
librarian was there waiting on him to bring it back even.  
Great episode of Married with Children, that one. 

 JM



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Brian Hayden [SMTP:email_address_removed
> Sent:	Monday, February 12, 2001 3:29 PM
> To:	Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:	Re: korg and napster
> 
> 
> on 2/12/01 3:18 PM, Craig Wuthrich at email_address_removed scribbled in
> vibrant crayola:
> 
> > So napster is soon to be no more.  I'd just like to know why musicians
> think
> > they are somehow better than authors.  I don't hear any writers whining
> > about their books being put into libraries.
> 
> You can't keep a library book (well, theoretically...)
> 
> -Brian
> 
> -- 
> 
> only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.
> 
> -keenan

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:53:45 +0100
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Mp3 abuse
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


> From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
> Subject: Re: Mp3 abuse here we go again
> 
> I seem to have jumped the gun a bit, and I do apologize, even if 
> my intention was not to attack you personally. 

I know. But it's kinda annoying seeing someone immediately jumping for
these kind of things, mp3s and stuff.

> But I must say, you seem a little to defensive to be convincing :o)

Bah, ... not that 

What's next, I should take photo of my music collection to prove you
wrong?

> > PHYSICALLY I have NO WAY of buying any Freak Kitchen CD 
> > even if I have  2 more days to live.
> 
> Well, I'm not totally sure what you mean

I am. :)

> but here's some links to online stores where you 
> can get Freak Kitchen:
>
> ... http://www.cdnow.com/

Doh, like I didn't know those.
But can I PLEEEEEEAAAZZE be forgiven if I tell you NO THANX?

---------------------------------------------
Spanking Hour  CD $35.49
Freak Kitchen III (+1 Bonus Track)  CD $34.49
Dead Soul Men  CD $34.49
Appetizer  CD $35.49
---------------------------------------------
+ shipping => Falling Into Infinity

The only way I buy CDs is going in foreign country, since we don't have
originals here. But do you really wanna hear my pathetic sad story? Or
you have better things to do, ... maybe?

And by the way, I still didn't decide if I wanna buy a COMPLETE album
since I'm still in the process of checking out these guys. And just for
your sake, I promise to delete the songs I don't like. :)

NP: Freak Kitchen - The Sinking Planet   
	(this mp3 sounds so good that I wonder 
         why should I even buy their CD ;o)

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:03:07 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: christmas cd
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


couter-not-counter says:
>Wait a second here.  You're bitching about something
>that you get as a BONUS?

In all fairness, I think a lot of people signed up only for that
"bonus". I'm not sure what the details are, but isn't it supposed to be
included in the price? If they don't intend to release it at christmas
time, I don't think it's a big deal, but stop calling it a christmas CD.
it's screwin' with people's expectations.

josh




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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:08:01 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5765
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I think the fact that ChromaKey is Kevmo does indeed lead people into
listening to it as well it should.  Of course, I've read enough posts from
people who thought CK was a pile of shit to disprove your theory. :)
Personally, KevMo's stuff hit big on me even pre-CK.  I got his MMtBH demos
and thought they were the shit back then.  hehehe.  I've still yet to pick
up You Go Now, though.  I've heard that one's a bit iffy so I've been
putting it off.

WOW i cant belive you herd this is an iffy album! this is top noch not a bad track!!if you like KevMO then you have nothing to worry about!!!!!!!
wow

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:53:37 -0600
From: "Mike and Susan Verstraete" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5765
Message-ID: <000701c09557$66b364a0$1c5099d1@homewks>


I realize that this IS a bonus and we are lucky to get a Xmas CD BUT!!!!!
Christmas comes around at the same time every year, how hard is it to get it
out in time???? If we're not going to get it during the holidays, quit
calling it a Xmas CD!!!!



> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, David or Tammy Landis wrote:
>
> > I'm surprised that no one is bitching about not getting the Christmas
> > CD yet. Well, I am. I know they said a Jan/Feb release, but wasn't
> > Christmas on Dec. 25th?? Now it's the middle of February.
>
> Wait a second here.  You're bitching about something that you get as a
> BONUS?  There's nothing that says that you're gonna get a Christmas CD at
> all, and yet you're here complaining because it hasn't arrived on time.
> This is exactly what I hate about certain types of DT fans.  There is
> NOTHING that says that the band or the fan club has to do this for the
> fans and I, for one, am just glad that we GET this kind of thing, let
> alone WHEN.

>


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:32:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Patrick <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Freak Kitchen
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I just want to know how the hell a band this good can
have four albums out and we're just now discussing
them.  What's up with that?  We need a collective
clue...

Mike

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:32:34 -0800
From: Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass 
lines via keyboard.
;-)

At 10:30 AM 2/12/01 -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:

>yeah but im pretty sure he used keyboards for it :)
>
>Oddvar Lovaas wrote:
>
> > didn't kev do the basses himself on DAFR?
> >
> > < flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://www.oddvar.org/ - ICQ: 3253879 >
>

~Michael Kizer                  < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 >
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com
 >>>               Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream               <<<
 >>>      Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books       <<<
 >>>     Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com      <<<


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:13:42 -0500
From: "Ryan Park" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Cary from UNC?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Is Cary from UNC still around?  Or, does anyone have an e-mail address for
him?  I need to contact him about something.

Sorry to waste the list space.

Thanks,

Ryan


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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:49:21 -0800
From: Chris Oates <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Mp3 abuse
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


So is there a place to find good legal samples of Freak Kitchen?  Some of 
us don't use Napster.

      ~Chris


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:14:09 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Michael Kizer wrote:

> I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass
> lines via keyboard.
> ;-)
>

Really? i never knew kev could play bass...  i always thought the bass lines
were just sampled thru his boards or something..
hell thats even cooler.. i didnt know he could play anything other than
keyboards..


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Date: 13 Feb 2001 13:11:18 +0000
From: Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Australia
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



I am going to Australia sometime this year for a holiday, and I want
to know when there's anything good happening musically. It would be
cool if I could time my trip to coincide with some musical event...

So mail me if you are an Aussie.

-- 
Graham Borland                                     Picsel Technologies Ltd
email_address_removed                                        Glasgow, Scotland


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:42:46 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <email_address_removed>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: AudioGnome
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1864@ISDCRE00>


use AudioGnome.  better interface, more features, you can pick your own
servers to connect to, has resume functionality....   :)   and it's NOT
being shutdown.  

 JM


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris Oates [SMTP:email_address_removed
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:10 AM
> To:	Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:	Re: Mp3 abuse
> 
> 
> So is there a place to find good legal samples of Freak Kitchen?  Some of 
> us don't use Napster.
> 
>       ~Chris

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:50 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass... You Go Now
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


At 06:47 PM 2/12/01 -0800, you wrote:

>I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass
>lines via keyboard.

I thought Joey Vera played bass on DAFR... or did he simply play lines that 
Kev wrote? BTW, for anyone expressing doubts about You Go Now... I've heard 
bits and pieces of the album, and I like it... it's a lot more of the 
ambient stuff from DAFR (Camera 4, Hell Mary, etc), which is bad in the 
sense that Kevin is, imo, at his best in lyrical songwriting mode, but it's 
definitely not terrible. At least give a listen to "Another Permanent 
Address", that song rocks. 


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Date: 13 Feb 2001 15:06:47 +0000
From: Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Nevermore
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I have been listening, over the last couple of weeks, to the new
Nevermore album, Dead Heart In A Dead World.

It's one of the best metal albums I've heard for a *long* time. If you
can get used to Warrel Dane's rather unique vocal style, that is.

There are a couple of really incredible songs on this album. Please
buy it.

-- 
Graham Borland                                     Picsel Technologies Ltd
email_address_removed                                        Glasgow, Scotland


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:42:41 +0200
From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Kev Moore on bass...
Message-ID: <004d01c095d3$9d9994e0$29e226d4@pentium>


I'm pretty sure Kev didn't play any bass on that album. Or any real bass,
anyway. It was Joey Vera of Fates Warning who was the bassist on Dead Air
for Radios. Joey Vera's and Mark Zonder's playing on the album was one of
the things I loved (and still love) on it. =)

-WT-


----- Original Message -----
]From: "Michael Kizer" <email_address_removed>
> I am pretty sure that Kev played a "real" bass on the album, not just bass
> lines via keyboard.
> At 10:30 AM 2/12/01 -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> >yeah but im pretty sure he used keyboards for it :)
> >Oddvar Lovaas wrote:
> > > didn't kev do the basses himself on DAFR?



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:26:22 -0700
From: David Dixon <email_address_removed>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Mp3 abuse
Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E617520673456C@MESSAGING>


Yep - go to http://www.freakkitchen.com - they have a 45-second-or-so sample
of every song on each album...

-Dixon

-----Original Message-----
]From: Chris Oates [mailto:email_address_removed
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:10 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Mp3 abuse



So is there a place to find good legal samples of Freak Kitchen?  Some of 
us don't use Napster.

      ~Chris

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:00:54 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <email_address_removed.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.au>


Graham Borland wrote:

> I am going to Australia sometime this year for a holiday, and I want
> to know when there's anything good happening musically. It would be
> cool if I could time my trip to coincide with some musical event...

Are you taking the piss :) ?
No one decent ever comes here, next month Deep Purple are here, April, Kiss.
That's about it for the year.

graham


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Date: 13 Feb 2001 18:14:23 +0000
From: Graham Borland <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Graham Boyle <email_address_removed.au> writes:

> Graham Borland wrote:
> 
> > I am going to Australia sometime this year for a holiday, and I want
> > to know when there's anything good happening musically. It would be
> > cool if I could time my trip to coincide with some musical event...
> 
> Are you taking the piss :) ?
> No one decent ever comes here, next month Deep Purple are here, April, Kiss.
> That's about it for the year.

That's pretty much what I thought. :-|

Ah well, I'll just spend my time skinning kangaroos and sinking
stubbies. And brushing up on my Aussie slang.

-- 
Graham Borland                                     Picsel Technologies Ltd
email_address_removed                                        Glasgow, Scotland


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:21:20 -0500
From: Jens Johansson <jens+@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: [Korgx3] korg and napster
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010213132120.039c1580@localhost>


On 13:18 2001/02/12 -0800, you wrote:

> So napster is soon to be no more.  I'd just like to know why musicians think
> they are somehow better than authors.  I don't hear any writers whining
> about their books being put into libraries.

Libaries pay for their copies, and do not make them available to anyone with an internet connection.

But anyway, there has certainly been 'whining' about online distribution. ISTR some case a while back where some entity acquired rights for news stories (I think it even was for some internal library use) and then subsequently tried to sell access to that database over the internet.

There's also Stephen King's very recent experience.

Oh and by the way, it seems Napster Inc. lost the other day, didn't it? Breaks my heart. ;)



---
Jens. <jens+@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:29:29 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <email_address_removed.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Australia
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.au>


Graham Borland wrote:

> Ah well, I'll just spend my time skinning kangaroos and sinking
> stubbies. And brushing up on my Aussie slang.

The are couple of very good metal shops to spend your cash, in
Sydney and Melbourne. If you do come to Sydney I'd glady show you around
and have a beer or 2 with you.

graham



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