YTSEJAM Digest 5763 Today's Topics: 1) Freak Kitchen by CyberDuke 2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5762 by "Trevor Hoit" 3) Mp3 abuse (was Freak Kitchen) by Andreas Skarin 4) Fates Warning by "Joe DeAngelo" 5) YOUnique (Dominique's little brother?) by email_address_removed 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5758 by Barbara Battaglia 7) sooper-dooperior by Joshua Rasiel 8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5762 by Michael Kizer 9) DJ JAX is going on YtseRadio by "Jan-Michael" 10) Re: fatez question........ by Eric George 11) The videos from the LITS by CyberDuke 12) Boost Your Windows Reliability... by email_address_removed 13) Some Overkill US Tour Dates Announced by email_address_removed 14) Re: fatez question........ by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 15) The good, the bad, the ugly by "Matthew Tedesco" 16) on a list like this.... by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 17) chroma key/fatez/symphx by email_address_removed 18) REALLY obscure DT happening to me last night by Andrew Coutermarsh 19) Re: chroma key/fatez/symphx by "Carlos A. Alfaro" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:10:53 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Freak Kitchen Message-ID: Just wanted to add few comments. I guess the thing that really made me check them out after one jammer suggestion, was that Vai comment about a Zappa tune that this guitarist played, on which Vai commented that he never played it that good. :) So with a little help of the unique Napster I got some 30 songs so far and I must say these guys are great!!! Have some chopping riffs, but also very cool vocal arrangements and melodies. The guitarist is really awesome. I always hated mindless riffing, but this guy can really pull out some good ones. Variety of styles mixed. Go check them out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:10:55 -0800 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5762 Message-ID: <000b01c092ed$8efbe070$message_id_removed> Now I'm listening to the new Savatage single Commissar..just got it...and even though Zach is gone -this totally kicks ass!! God that I'm waiting for the album Poets and Madmen. This is so powerfull stuff and Jon sings superb! On these 3 songs can every elements of good Savatage material be heard...GREAT!!!! Later, Janne Where did you get it? Fates doesn't really have any outstanding videos yet... but hopefully Metal Blade will get rolling on the Fates DVD that has been hinted about for a little while (live & backstage footage, videos, etc.)... FW already has a DVD and IMO it sucks ass. I'll sell it for $11. Trevor NP-Mastermind-Angels of the Apocolypse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:54:18 +0100 From: Andreas Skarin To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mp3 abuse (was Freak Kitchen) Message-ID: <3A84913A.C39E9038@sdts.nu> CyberDuke wrote: > So with a little help of the unique Napster I got some 30 songs so far > and I must say these guys are great!!! You've got 30 mp3's and you still haven't bought any of their albums? What's up with that? I don't know the whole situation, and I'm not attacking you personally, but when people abuse mp3's like that, I'm almo= st inclined to side with Mr. Ulrich in the mp3 debate. -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:17:14 -0500 From: "Joe DeAngelo" To: Cc: Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <002501c09307$95643380$message_id_removed> Eric George asked: > I have the two most recent fates warning albums, APSoG and Disconnected. > I really think both are fantastic albums, but what are their earlier > albums like? OK, firstly the remaining Ray Alder albums......... I'd get "Perfect Symmetry" next. It's not as as moody/trippy as APSoG and Disconnected, but it's really an excellent prog-metal album. "Parallels" and "Inside Out" are both pretty good too, although they are more poppy and less progressive, IMO (of the two, I prefer "Parallels"... just because "Inside Out" is TOO poppy). "No Exit" (the first disc with Ray Alder on vox) is heavier, faster, and feautures a somewhat different vocal approach (Alder sings REALLY HIGH on this one). The vox on this one aren't my cup of tea, really...... but the album does feature the awesome epic-track, The Ivory Gate of Dreams. I'm not too familiar with the Jon Arch era discs ("Night on Brocken", "The Spectre Within", and "Awaken the Guardian"), but I can tell you that the style is like a proggier Iron Maiden. Of these three, I believe "Awaken the Guardian" is generally considered the best. Another good bet for you would be to pick up "Chasing Time" which is a compilation disc, containing a few tracks from every album (excluding the last two). Also, the double-live CD "Still Life" is probably one of the best live discs ever. One disc feautures the song A Pleasant Shade of Gray in it's entirety, and the second disc includes another 8 or so songs, including The Ivory Gate of Dreams (a superior version of the song, compared to the "No Exit" version, IMO). Hope that helps, - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:53:27 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: YOUnique (Dominique's little brother?) Message-ID: I always thought YOUnique was Superior's "Holy Land" so to speak -- a place where they took some chances, added some non-traditional elements, and unfortunately, took heat for breaking the mold. I have to say the results were more uneven than were those of Angra, but nonetheless, that disc gets more play than the debut... NP: Digital Ruin - Demo 98 Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:26:47 -0500 From: Barbara Battaglia To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5758 Message-ID: >My question is this: Girls, what's the most typical size you buy in a >t-shirt? Sorry it took so long for me to get back with you on this Josh. The t-shirt I have from metal sludge is put out by a company called Anvil. It's a pre-shrunk, 100% cotton, and says "styled for women" on the tag. I went w/ a large because I've got hooters (snort, prolly shouldn't say that to a list full of guys). Anyways, the shirt fits a little big, but I know it will shrink. It's supposed to be cropped, but because I'm short, it fits me like a regular shirt (laugh). I'll be wearing it at Progpower, so if any other girls on this list want to check it out let me know. BABS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:57:57 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: sooper-dooperior Message-ID: glad to have ignited something here, but it wasn't hard. superior's a great band. except for Behind.... that's a joke, folks. just kidding. I be here all ze week. Hey, bernd, I wasn't making fun of you there, that's that beer commercial with the german guy doing comedy. bernd says >I already wonder how you will like our next album... how 'bout some samples???? mark says >I think that Younique pushes many more envelopes and as such is more progressive. well, I meant progressive the genre, not the adjective. And by the by, I think that last sentence might have just ended years of arguing - could it be? Anyway, Behind is all about wicked fast crazy classical metal, all that stuff. Hence progressive the genre. My thing, typically - and I touched on this a bit in the last 'jam - is that progressive (the genre) alone won't really do much for me. progressive plus a certain essence and you have behind, perhaps. but when you take that essence(i use that word cuz I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, does it show?) and bring it to the forefront, like in younique, then you have something really special. maybe I'm talking about the skill of the artist seperated from the genre they're working in. korg says >I listen to metal and Free-minded is >too funky to be metal, imo), but altogether it still rocks. :) yes, well... actually...that song is pretty annoying. :) But every other song on Younique is outstanding. josh kosh b'gosh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:21:38 -0800 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5762 Message-ID: At 03:20 PM 2/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > hopefully Metal Blade will get rolling on the Fates DVD that has been > hinted about for a little while (live & backstage footage, videos, >etc.)... > >FW already has a DVD and IMO it sucks ass. >I'll sell it for $11. Yeah, that's the Dynamo video (straight transfer to DVD)... Jim Matheos and Brian Slagel both told me that they are planning a big Fates DVD package, with lots of material on it... ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:51:57 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" To: Subject: DJ JAX is going on YtseRadio Message-ID: <000101c0930c$6eff7560$message_id_removed> C'mon guys...........everyone get on IRC and go to IRC.DREAMT.ORG:2112 /join #YTSERADIO Let's fill up the room again ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: carlos, thanks for being the first to clue me in on that little nugget 'o info. i think apsog & disconnected are great, and am not what you would call the most avid fan of iron maiden-sounding stuff. a little to boring/repetitive for my tastes. just never really did anything for me. i'll probably still give some of the older fates a try, but at least now i know what i'm getting into. thanks man. -ryften On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > "Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote: > > > Fates Warning EARLY albums are light years better than the newer stuff. > > Definitely check them out. They have a sort of "best of" CD out that I > > can't recall the name of here at work... but that will give you a good > > taste of their earlier, better albums. Mileage will vary. > > > > > > And that is your opinion :) ... > IMO, APSOG and disconnected are fates two best albums..because > they dare to do something different.. IMO inside out/parallels era Fates was > just plain old boring music with some exciting parts, and older era fates was > just another iron maiden sounding power metal type band... now if youre into > both those things then fine :) but if that guy liked apsog and disconnected > he should be warned that nothing else on their back catalog sounds like those > cds > > > Carlos A. Alfaro > Internet Solutions, Inc > P.O. Box 29742 > San Juan, PR 00929 > Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 > =============================== > Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services > Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:13:39 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: Ytsejam Subject: The videos from the LITS Message-ID: What is needed to play these videos? 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To be removed from future mailings: http://www.speedquality.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:02:03 EST From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Some Overkill US Tour Dates Announced Message-ID: I just found the following info on the official Overkill website (www.wreckingcrew.com), in case anyone is interested. Some confirmed US tour dates: 03/01/01 USA Rochester, NY Penny Arcade 03/02/01 USA Niagara Falls, NY Evening Star Concert Hall 03/03/01 USA Detroit, MI Harpos 03/04/01 USA Rockport, IL Riley's Rock 03/05/01 USA Sauget, IL Pop's Annex 03/06/01 USA St. Paul, MN The Lab 03/07/01 USA Lansing, IL JJ Kelleys 03/08/01 USA Cincinnati, OH Bogarts 03/09/01 USA Pittsburg, PA The Beehive Theatre 03/10/01 USA Cleveland, OH Agora Ballroom 03/11/01 USA Columbus, OH Newport Music Hall 03/22/01 USA New Haven, CT Toads Place 03/23/01 USA Old Bridge, NJ Birch Hill 03/24/01 USA Attleboro, MA Jarrod's 03/25/01 USA Clifton Park, NY Northern Lights 04/19/01 USA Hartford, CT Webster Theatre 04/20/01 USA SURPRISE TO BE ANNOUNCED 04/21/01 USA Springfield, VA Jaxx 04/22/01 USA Springfield, VA Jaxx ]From what I've heard, the surprise gig they're talking about is a gig at L'Amours in Brooklyn. Laterz... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:31:51 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: Eric George wrote: > carlos, thanks for being the first to clue me in on that little nugget 'o > info. i think apsog & disconnected are great, and am not what you would > call the most avid fan of iron maiden-sounding stuff. a little to > boring/repetitive for my tastes. just never really did anything for me. > i'll probably still give some of the older fates a try, but at least now i > know what i'm getting into. thanks man. > > -ryften > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > > > > "Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote: > > > > > Fates Warning EARLY albums are light years better than the newer stuff. > > > Definitely check them out. They have a sort of "best of" CD out that I > > > can't recall the name of here at work... but that will give you a good > > > taste of their earlier, better albums. Mileage will vary. > > > > > > > > > > And that is your opinion :) ... > > IMO, APSOG and disconnected are fates two best albums..because > > they dare to do something different.. IMO inside out/parallels era Fates was > > just plain old boring music with some exciting parts, and older era fates was > > just another iron maiden sounding power metal type band... now if youre into > > both those things then fine :) but if that guy liked apsog and disconnected > > he should be warned that nothing else on their back catalog sounds like those > > cds > > > > > > Carlos A. Alfaro > > Internet Solutions, Inc > > P.O. Box 29742 > > San Juan, PR 00929 > > Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 > > =============================== > > Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services > > Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking > > > > > > If you have someone close who can lend you the discs that would be the best way to go... or if you can download some mp3s.. if not, get either Still life (live album with a couple of older songs) or better yet Chasing Time which is a compilation or "best of" ... -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:12:56 -0700 From: "Matthew Tedesco" To: Subject: The good, the bad, the ugly Message-ID: <000e01c09384$b7007300$c2598a80@fx1f00b> In reverse order.... THE UGLY: > From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" > IMO, APSOG and disconnected are fates two best albums..because > they dare to do something different.. IMO inside out/parallels era Fates was Already from some of the recent posts, it's clear that some widely varying opinions about Fates Warning are out there. Fair enough. For what it's worth, I'd echo Carlos' opinion, that the most recent two are by far and away the best. Although Kevin Moore apparently did very little more than play what Jim Matheos handed him, something about his sound still comes through in the music. Going backwards, Inside Out and Parallels have a more accessible, radio-friendly sound. I would say that people on the whole prefer Parallels, and the band themselves have admitted in interviews that they felt like, in retrospect, they were trying a bit too hard to repeat Parallels with IO, I actually prefer IO. One further back is Perfect Symmetry, which has great prog moments but IMO Alder does too much of that high squealy 80s vibrato for my taste. No Exit the same, only much worse... and everything before that can be tossed in with the rest of the standard 80s mediocre Priest/Maiden metal. Which, incidentally, is the ugly. THE BAD: > From: "Francesco Racioppa" > PAY YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE > I TOOK THIS FROM SPOCK'S BEARD OFFICIAL SITE: > "George Pappanostas, who subbed for Dave Meros on the European and American > Dream Theater tours, > has been diagnosed with brain cancer. The doctors say he has 3 to 6 months According to Tiffany D'Virgilio, the wife of SB's drummer and a frequent poster on Thoughts, George passed a few days ago. Tragic news. THE GOOD: Now a recommendation. Pat Matheny's "BRIGHT SIZE LIFE". Finally got this CD last week, and I *cannot* believe how incredible it is. Be warned, it is *definitely* a jazz album, if you're not familiar with Matheny, but oh what an album it is. Regardless of how you regard Matheny, this album stands out because it's got Jaco on bass. (If you don't know who Jaco is... well, get this album. Or get Jaco's "Birthday Concert," particularly the first track, Soul Intro/The Chicken, which I count as the very definition of a perfect bassline.) Anyhow, if you have any taste at all for great jazz, and you have any regard at all for the guitar and/or the bass, you should own this album. --matt tedesco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:19:09 From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: on a list like this.... Message-ID:
>Younique really is very analagous to Awake. And really, Behind goes
>right with I&W. I wonder if like me, everyone that likes awake prefers
>younique, and those that like behind prefer I&W?
Nope....I'd go with Younique in a heartbeat, and I&W still resides in my top 5 album list, so I guess I don't fit that bill....
 
As for the t-shirt thingy, looks like I missed the discussions, but I was wondering why the fact that it's being done in honor of the ytsejam mailing list has to be so prominent on the shirt (that stuff at the bottom of the back of the shirt). The reason I love the original ytse-shirt (beside the glow in the dark "let the light surround you") is that it can be worn as a Dream Theater shirt, and not scream to the world, "I am a nerd" (not that enough people know who Dream Theater are for that to matter).
 
I never bought Josh's last shirt for the simple fact that he put that definition of progressive on there (apologies if i'm mixing up shirtmakers here). For me, that was like admitting to all those critics who have been damning prog music for the last thirty years that, yes, indeed, we are pretentious arses. Other than that, it was a good design, but that one little detail turned me off. Similarly, Gabbo's 2nd generation ytse-shirt....kick ass design up front, big old Majesty symbol, and prominent details on the ytsejam all over the back. I have one, but I don't wear it too much. That original one, though, the letters might be cracking after 5 and a half years, and the glow might be fading, but I still wear that regularly.
 
Has anyone made a ytsejam hat recently?

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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:40:19 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: chroma key/fatez/symphx Message-ID: hello fellow jammers, i was at borders last night and was reading some drum magazine and there was a blurb about mark zonder. he was talking about disconnected. i thought, "when did fates put out a new album?" so i go check the cds and find disconnected. what do you think? is it similar to APSoG? i love that album, so i am thinking about getting the latest one. i dig all fates stuff too, and yes, they do have a "greatest hits" album but i cant remember what it is called either (someone posted something about it). also, i found two chroma key albums. could someone give me some feedback on these? finally, i couldnt locate symphx albums. do have to get them from magna carta or something? i WANT V really badly, all ive heard is great stuff. thanks much! i need some serious work on my cd collection obviously! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: REALLY obscure DT happening to me last night Message-ID: I came home last night to wash my clothes and get away from campus for a weekend (for those of you who don't pay attention to the MP.com forum, there was a fire in my dorm the other night, and it was about five doors down from my own room, so I've had to move out of my dorm, and all of my shit from clothes to my computer to my sheets smell like a mixture of wood smoke and burned plastic, but hey, nobody got hurt, so it's a small price to pay). While I was home, I decided to go out with my sister and her fiancee to the bar in my hometown. Well, I was checking out the jukebox, and Dan (the fiancee) mentions "Hey look at this, Dream Theater." Sure enough, there on one of the CDs called "Hot Rock Hits, Vol. 57" was Burning My Soul. Talk about random DT occurrences... A small-town Vermont bar has Dream Theater in its jukebox? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- If Helen Keller were psychic, would we say that she had a fourth sense? ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:03:54 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: chroma key/fatez/symphx Message-ID: If you love apsog, get disconected, definately! and listen to it over and over and over (worked for me!!!) email_address_removed wrote: > hello fellow jammers, > i was at borders last night and was reading some drum magazine and there was > a blurb about mark zonder. he was talking about disconnected. i thought, > "when did fates put out a new album?" so i go check the cds and find > disconnected. what do you think? is it similar to APSoG? i love that album, > so i am thinking about getting the latest one. i dig all fates stuff too, and > yes, they do have a "greatest hits" album but i cant remember what it is > called either (someone posted something about it). also, i found two chroma > key albums. could someone give me some feedback on these? finally, i couldnt > locate symphx albums. do have to get them from magna carta or something? i > WANT V really badly, all ive heard is great stuff. > thanks much! > i need some serious work on my cd collection obviously! -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5763 **************************