YTSEJAM Digest 5760 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Deep Purple/Styx by "Dark Majesty" 2) Re: Amusing CD ordering... by email_address_removed (Steve Chew) 3) 20 Questions by "The Sandman" 4) deep purple/styx by Joshua Rasiel 5) Re: Avantasia question (again) by email_address_removed 6) Haggard by "Andre Navarro" 7) superior by Joshua Rasiel 8) Re: superior by "Korg Ecksthrey" 9) Re: the shirts by "Paul Tadday" 10) RE: superior by David Dixon 11) Re: deep purple/styx by Eric George 12) I've 'Discovered' a new band... by Jan Melander 13) Re: the shirts by Chris Oates 14) Home Computer Operator Needed by email_address_removed 15) RE: superior by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 16) RE: 20 Questions by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 17) Re: 20 Questions by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 18) genre wars by "Trevor Hoit" 19) RE: 20 Questions by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 20) AVANTASIA ! by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 21) RE: Avantasia by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 22) Cherone's secret ability by "Kjetil H" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:00:38 -0600 From: "Dark Majesty" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Deep Purple/Styx Message-ID: >>Well, I don't necessarily say that he should put it in alphabetical order; I mean, if he wants to categorize his collection, that's fine. But what I want to know is why he was so concerned with OTHER people's opinions of what a certain type of music is. If he's going to do something by category, he should only care about what HE thinks it is, not somebody else.<< I just want to see what everyone else thinks about these bands, since I don't really know where to put them. When people ask me, "What is this Prog you're always talking about?" I want to be able so give them some names they'll know, since Symphony X and Spock's Beard aren't really popular, whereas Deep Purple and Styx are pretty well known. Besides, I need a way to kill time, and lots of it, so I reorganize my CDs about once a week. Well, I don't want to start any flame wars, so I'm gonna stop now. Peace, everyone! --96 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:41:57 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Amusing CD ordering... Message-ID: Re: Ordering your CDs >> >> The better question is, why the hell are you worrying about fuzzy and >> meaningless "genre" distinctions? Just put all your cds in alphabetical >> order, they're easier to find. If you can't decide where to put Styx right >> now, you're not going to have a clear-cut place to look for them later on >> either no matter which way you decide. >> >> Down with genre theory! >> > >Alphabetical order is the way to go. Then there is no subjectivity involved >when looking for a CD. As pointed out, you are already confused about >classification, so why put that margin of error into the equation? > Yeah, I prefer alphabetical order. It doesn't take all that much effort if you just do it over an extended period. I'd never find anything otherwise with 700+ CDs. Don't you put them in alphabetical order within the sub-genres already? The only stumbling block for alphabetical order that I've found is deciding what to do with CDs that have various bands on them like "Tales from Yesterday" (the Yes tribute released by Magna Carta). Do they all go under "V" for Various, or do you put the tribute CDs with the band that they are a tribute to? Do you put the Majesty bootlegs in with the Dream Theater CDs? Silly stuff like that. Also, I do separate out my soundtrack, jazz and classical CDs into separate sections to make them easier to find (and since I listen to them less often). Oh, and if you do put them in alphabetical order be sure to get CD holders that do NOT have those damned slots for each CD -- don't bother with alphabetical order otherwise. I used to have one of those and every time I added a new CD I'd have to move every last CD down by one slot. Argh! Even when you leave a few slots open here and there you'll eventually have to move a large section. Use bookshelves or get some CD holders with no slots. No system is perfect. But, I definitely find it easiest to keep them in alphabetical order. The whole alphabetical system has come up recently for me since I've been ripping all my CDs to a few hard drives to I can broadcast them via FM throughout my house (my new Chrismtas toy). I've found the MusicMatch program to be a handy way to do this since it looks up the CD online at CDDB and writes the artist, album and track names to the hard drive. It put that "Tales from Yesterday" under Various -- I may have to move it. Despite having quite a few obscure prog CDs there has only been one that it didn't find on CDDB -- Curious Works' CD. Pretty amazing. I'm up to the letter "F" now. It's pretty cool to tune all my various radios to 89.9 and then walk around the house listening to the same music in every room. Now I just need to write a program which will play random songs from my CDs, allow my wife and I to rate them so my^H^H our favorite ones will come up more often, and of course change what's playing from any computer in the house. Hm, a wireless PDA might come in handy for that... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:14:52 -0500 From: "The Sandman" To: Subject: 20 Questions Message-ID: <003e01c090ab$c21d95a0$cd8efea9@sandcastle> That was pretty cool stuff. I didn't know that we didn't like Derek Sherinian... probably because I was off the Jam for a while, I guess. Well, I liked his stuff, anyway. I'm glad somebody else agreed! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:52:39 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: deep purple/styx Message-ID: If like me, you're averse to cold and logical alpha-numeric organizing, do what I do: put everything in the middle and let every album connect to those on either side of it. Instead of trying to force every band into a specific catagory, let fuzzy logic prevail. If it were a color wheel, Styx and DP would be the orange that goes between yellow and red. But more realistically, they would be the schoolbus yellow that goes between yellow and puke orange. Tertiary color combos aside, as far as metal, I go from hard to prog - I start on one side of my collection with, say, metallica, then from there you have maiden, then savatage, QR or fates, Superior, DT. Then Rush, then more and more proggy bands and less and less metal bands: alan parsons, genesis...and that brings us to floyd, which brings us to all kinds of stuff - cure, maybe...then we're in 80's/90's alternarock, so pixies, I Mother Earth, and so on. I try to establish a direction but I don't force any hard lines in there. I use whatever the hell assocations I want - in the above example I used prog and metal, but it could be "stuff that I like to fuck to" or "good road tunes". And of course, in between would be "stuff that I like to fuck to while driving". It doesn't matter, just so long as you know what you like to fuck to. josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:21:27 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Avantasia question (again) Message-ID: In a message dated 02/06/2001 8:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << Hello. Could anybody let me know where I could buy the Avantasia cd online? Thank you very much. Alexis >> Alexis, I just got mine in the mail yesterday. I ordered it from RAM Music (http://www.rammusic.com) and they're selling it for $18.99. I've been ordering from RAM for years, and they've always been great to me. Never any problems. Hope this helps... Matt T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:51:07 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" To: Subject: Haggard Message-ID: I heard Haggard released a new cd. Anyone have any info on this? or maybe haggard's official site? For those who are wondering, there like this medievil death metal or something like that, very good indeed. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andre Navarro "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:13:21 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: superior Message-ID: I've had Younique for a while now. love it. it's a truly great album. And Laser's Edge has it for a good price, so anyone who doesn't have it go there... anyone know the URL? I forgot. anyway...i wasn't sure about behind, so I didn't want to buy it until I napstered it, which i just did. Here's what I think: this is a fantastic album, but if I had to pick, I would go with younique in a heartbeat. It's sooooo much better. I'll probably still purchase Behind, but I just don't think it's even in the same league as the second album. I'm not even saying I don't like it. I like it lots! but there's some weaknesses. Like, "Tainted Silence". kind of just a formulaic prog thing goin' on there. But even there, you can see lots of promise. This is such a talented band, it's silly. josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:31:01 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: superior Message-ID: <006c01c090be$cc386d90$b14053d8@washburn> > weaknesses. Like, "Tainted Silence". kind of just a formulaic prog thing > goin' on there. But even there, you can see lots of promise. This is LOL! And I think that the Dreamtime/Tainted Silence duo is something they will have a tough time topping. :D I dunno, there's just something about the epic vibe in Tainted Silence that just fills me up with that good feeling like I just won the lottery or something. -- KorgX3 ran over his dogma with his karma. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:37:03 +1100 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Re: the shirts Message-ID: <000801c090c8$04935fc0$c73a36cb@PaulTadday> hehehe.. yeah well I've since upgraded that to Large... Aussie sizes vary from those in the US slightly. Paul. ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Souter, Jan-Michael To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: RE: the shirts > > Medium ! Man... I think the last time I wore a medium was more than 15 > years ago :) > > JM > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Tadday [SMTP:email_address_removed > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:52 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: the shirts > > > > > > Josh... > > > > I'd gladly take a yellow and a black one... > > both in Medium! > > Thanks!! > > > > Paul. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:48:44 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: superior Message-ID: Check www.lasercd.com - great site... :) -----Original Message----- ]From: Joshua Rasiel [mailto:email_address_removed Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: superior I've had Younique for a while now. love it. it's a truly great album. And Laser's Edge has it for a good price, so anyone who doesn't have it go there... anyone know the URL? I forgot. anyway...i wasn't sure about behind, so I didn't want to buy it until I napstered it, which i just did. Here's what I think: this is a fantastic album, but if I had to pick, I would go with younique in a heartbeat. It's sooooo much better. I'll probably still purchase Behind, but I just don't think it's even in the same league as the second album. I'm not even saying I don't like it. I like it lots! but there's some weaknesses. Like, "Tainted Silence". kind of just a formulaic prog thing goin' on there. But even there, you can see lots of promise. This is such a talented band, it's silly. josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: deep purple/styx Message-ID: that has to be one of the funnier things to surface in the past couple 'o weeks. On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Joshua Rasiel wrote: > > > I use whatever the hell assocations I want - in the above example I used > prog and metal, but it could be "stuff that I like to fuck to" or "good > road tunes". And of course, in between would be "stuff that I like to > fuck to while driving". It doesn't matter, just so long as you know what > you like to fuck to. > > josh > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:53:00 +0100 From: Jan Melander To: ytsejam Subject: I've 'Discovered' a new band... Message-ID: Ahhhrrgggg...... I've been living in the same city for years, heard people talk about 'em, read about 'em but been to lazy to check them out. But last week I got into a record store and picked up their latest CD and... I'm playing it almost 24/7! ...and when I'm not close to any audio equipment I go around humming and singing it myself to the annoyances of the people around me! Do check them out, I don't know how easy You can get their CD worldwide, I know they have distribution deal in Asia but if they are available in USA I don't know but You can find 'em at www.cdnow.com. Well the band is: Freak Kitchen! I can't explain how they sound, the 'Dead Soul Men' CD I bought is heavy and melodic, lots of odd meters, great guitar work (and bass & drums of course), interesting lyrics and impressive arrangements. The guitarist, singer and main composer, 'IA' Eklundh is a well know Zappa freak and does play regularly with a Zappa 'tribute' project. He was also one of the first to be signed to Vai's new record company as a solo artist after Vai had heard him perform one Zappa tune, commenting 'I've never play it that good!'. They also have a great fan site at http:www.freakkitchen.com Were You can find information on every thing FK and some! There is also sound bits and lyrics (plus personal comment from IA) to all their songs, I must say it's the best band site I've been to. Enough ranting and back to lurker mode! Cheers, Jan NP - Freak Kitchen, Dead Soul Men (Loud....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:07:19 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: the shirts Message-ID: At 09:43 PM 2/6/2001, you wrote: >yeah well I've since upgraded that to Large... >Aussie sizes vary from those in the US slightly. Kinda reminds me of those beer ads. They'd show this huge tent shirt and say "Australian for medium" ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:04:40 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Home Computer Operator Needed Message-ID: Would you like to work at home ? Home Computer Operator process orders from your own home! All you need is a PC, Email, and quality printer! Email email_address_removed for more information If you're not interested , please reply to this email, put "REMOVE " in the subject line, You'll not receive any further mailings from us. ____________________________________________________________ This message has been sent with an unregistered copy of HotCast Mass E-Mailer. < < This notice doesn't appear on the registered version > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:06:27 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: superior Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1763@ISDCRE00> Behind is a MUCH heavier CD from Superior. On Younique, the first half of the CD is fairly heavy, and then the second half of the CD kinda goes off into less heavy jamming... But Behind rocks hard just about all the way through. Depends on personal taste... if you like it heavy, you'll favor Behind. If you are more into progressive rock, you'll favor Younique. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Rasiel [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: superior > > > I've had Younique for a while now. love it. it's a truly great album. > And Laser's Edge has it for a good price, so anyone who doesn't have it > go there... anyone know the URL? I forgot. > > anyway...i wasn't sure about behind, so I didn't want to buy it until I > napstered it, which i just did. Here's what I think: this is a fantastic > album, but if I had to pick, I would go with younique in a heartbeat. > It's sooooo much better. I'll probably still purchase Behind, but I just > don't think it's even in the same league as the second album. I'm not > even saying I don't like it. I like it lots! but there's some > weaknesses. Like, "Tainted Silence". kind of just a formulaic prog thing > goin' on there. But even there, you can see lots of promise. This is > such a talented band, it's silly. > > josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:11:01 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: 20 Questions Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1765@ISDCRE00> not all the fans couldn't stand Derek, just the vast majority :) > -----Original Message----- > From: The Sandman [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:48 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 20 Questions > > > That was pretty cool stuff. I didn't know that we didn't like Derek > Sherinian... probably because I was off the Jam for a while, I guess. > Well, > I liked his stuff, anyway. I'm glad somebody else agreed! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:25:18 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 20 Questions Message-ID: i personally loved his playing style and live presence.. "Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote: > not all the fans couldn't stand Derek, just the vast majority :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The Sandman [SMTP:email_address_removed > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:48 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: 20 Questions > > > > > > That was pretty cool stuff. I didn't know that we didn't like Derek > > Sherinian... probably because I was off the Jam for a while, I guess. > > Well, > > I liked his stuff, anyway. I'm glad somebody else agreed! :) -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:59:02 -0800 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: genre wars Message-ID: <000e01c0911e$e4d2f1d0$message_id_removed> >> The better question is, why the hell are you worrying about fuzzy and >> meaningless "genre" distinctions? Just put all your cds in >> alphabetical order, they're easier to find. If you can't decide where >> to put Styx right now, you're not going to have a clear-cut place to >> look for them later on either no matter which way you decide. >> Down with genre theory! >Well, I don't necessarily say that he should put it in alphabetical order; >I mean, if he wants to categorize his collection, that's fine. But what I >want to know is why he was so concerned with OTHER people's opinions of >what a certain type of music is. If he's going to do something by >category, he should only care about what HE thinks it is, not somebody >else. I agree. Put 'em where you can find 'em. If you totally went by genre, some of Jordan Rudess' cds should go in New Age, but do I put them there? No, because when I think of JR, I think of DT, which is in the Prog Metal section. Except his Christmas one, which is in my Christmas section.... Confusing? Maybe for you. Does it work for me? Yes. Trevor NP-Lost in Twilight-Descending Mist ps. My Styx is in Rock/Pop, don't own any DP. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:17:08 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: 20 Questions Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D176D@ISDCRE00> Personally I'm glad the candles and damn lava lamps went with him :) Heh > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: 20 Questions > > > i personally loved his playing style and live presence.. > > > "Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote: > > > not all the fans couldn't stand Derek, just the vast majority :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: The Sandman [SMTP:email_address_removed > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:48 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: 20 Questions > > > > > > > > > That was pretty cool stuff. I didn't know that we didn't like Derek > > > Sherinian... probably because I was off the Jam for a while, I guess. > > > Well, > > > I liked his stuff, anyway. I'm glad somebody else agreed! :) > > -- > > > > > > Carlos A. Alfaro > Internet Solutions, Inc > P.O. Box 29742 > San Juan, PR 00929 > Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 > =============================== > Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services > Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:26:38 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" Subject: AVANTASIA ! Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D176F@ISDCRE00> I can tell you this music won't get old at all! > -----Original Message----- > From: DragonDen > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: AVANTASIA ! > > > The band is AVANTASIA and everyone on the list NEEDS this CD. I'm > serious, > > it's THAT good. > > I have it in the car today and it'll probably stay there the rest of the > > week. > > > > > RIGHT !! this is GOOD music !! > really good stuff !! > i enjoy it very much !! > > :o) > > DragonDen > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:00:30 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" Subject: RE: Avantasia Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D177D@ISDCRE00> Three bands I've really gotten into lately are EDGUY, ELDRITCH, and ARTENSION. I've had these for a while but recently started re-cycling through my CDs. Great stuff. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Ramirez (NegrocK) [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: Avantasia > > Actually I will ! =)) I think is a great Singer, I think he did excellent > job in EDGUY... those vocal harmonies(check spell on this) were very cool > =)) > Greets! =) > > Daniel NegrocK > ************************************************************************** > "...I am master, looking down from the edge of space and time > Flesh and steel interwined..." > ************************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:39:19 -0000 From: "Kjetil H" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cherone's secret ability Message-ID: CNN has been going on an on about Israel's new prime minister today. When I heard his name, I thought: This can't be! Cause you see, All this time I have been thinking of Gary Cherone as just another great singer. But now it turns out he's a big shot Israeli politician, and today he was elected prime minister. I have certainly underestimated his leadership abilities. The news also made it clear to me what happened after Van Halen III. Here's the argument: Eddie: Gary, if you think you are so fucking smart, why don't you run for the precidency? Gary: Maybe I will! But not in a country near you assholes! Michael Anthony: Try Israel, that should be Extreme enough fer ya. Their election is coming up soon. Eddie: Yeah! You can become the new Jesus or something. Gary: Are you threatening me? You think I can't do it? That's it. I'm outta here! When egoes collide... - Malkenes - NP: Trivial Act - Mindscape _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5760 **************************