YTSEJAM Digest 5743 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5742 by Kurt M Hampton 2) Fwd: Virus Alert: ""Melissa-X"" Virus by Jogobass 3) Re: vanishing points-little DTC by "HJ Rivera" 4) Saviour Machine by "Dale Newberry" 5) Re: Saviour Machine by "Korg Ecksthrey" 6) Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts) by Ryan Veety 7) Re: DT Samples Legal Issues by Graham Borland 8) ADV: High Search Engine Placement by email_address_removed 9) Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts) by Jay Omega 10) Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts) by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= 11) NAMM by "Andre Navarro" 12) Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts) by Andrew Coutermarsh 13) Re: NAMM by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:09:14 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5742 Message-ID: Alice in Chains live- Its a collection of various stuff throughout the years ala the GNR live album. Its pretty good, they kick ass live. TA live-sounds cool I can't wait for the boots of this to start going around. I wonder if thats the cover song they recorded in nashville? Kurt ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger Trade page-www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html "So do me a favor...f*ck off"-James Labrie 11-18-94 Houston "Shut the f*ck up. Ill come down there and kick yer f*ckin ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97 Holland ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:19 +0100 From: Jogobass To: Jorrit Godeke Subject: Fwd: Virus Alert: ""Melissa-X"" Virus Message-ID: <1371712453.20010122170819@hetnet.nl> This is a forwarded message from: CNET Virus Alert Dispatch (email_address_removed) =======Beginning of forwarded message======= Virus Alert A newsletter from CNET Help.com http://www.help.com/ January 19, 2001 *************************************************** Virus Alert: "Melissa-X" Virus Computer virus experts say a new variant of the Melissa virus is spreading, this time in the guise of a Macintosh-formatted Microsoft Office document. The latest variation arrives as an email with the words "Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-)" in the body, along with an attachment called "anniv.doc." The virus, dubbed alternatively Melissa-X and Melissa 2001, was set loose on the Net after a Macintosh Office 2001 user saved a document infected with the virus as an Office 2001 file. The document was sent to a Windows 97 user, who opened the infected email and started the latest round of infection. The virus can be spread on either a PC or a Macintosh. Like other Melissa variants, though, only Windows PCs will send mass email copies of the infected file. Most antivirus companies are in the process of updating their signature files to recognize this new variation. To protect yourself, don't open any suspicious email attachments. Also, make sure you have the latest antivirus definitions running on your system. 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[$]_____//\______ _______ \_____________________ \___[$] \_____/LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL\_____________________ \_________/__/ \LLLLLLLLLL'T _T \__________/ I |________________/ | T | | .--. | | _.-----._ | | | / ][ \ | | |///|\\\| | | | | ,][, | | | +---+---+ | | | | ][ | | | ||||||||| | _____________| |___+------+____|__|___|___|___|___|________________ \___|\\_______________________________\\ \_I___________H__________H_________H_____________ \______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:29:55 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: vanishing points-little DTC Message-ID: <01de01c08498$ef7bd760$message_id_removed> Trevor said: > Not a bad cd, but not as prog as they would like you to think. Who cares how much it weighs on the prog scale? Just because they don't change tempos 520 times per song doesn't mean it's not a good "prog" album. A good album is a good album and Tangled in Dreams has become one of my most played CDs in recent history (bought from CDNow after downloading a few songs off Napster, for those keeping track :)) On the other hand, PoS - who are as prog as prog can be - bores me to tears. joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:48:36 -0600 From: "Dale Newberry" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Saviour Machine Message-ID:
Man, I just about crapped my pants yesterday.  I found out that yes, Saviour Machine is supposed to play the Cornerstone Festival in Bushnell, IL this summer.  FOr those not familiar with the event, it is a huge ass Christian music/arts festival.  I recommend it for anyone interested in seeing some good music they might not otherwise hear, though.  According to the brochure I have for the event, they're supposed to play a three hour set presenting the entire Legend trilogy :).
 
Dale R. Newberry

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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:00:41 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: Saviour Machine Message-ID: <000f01c0849e$dfd96740$0301010a@chuck> > According to the brochure I have for the event, they're supposed to > play a three hour set presenting the entire Legend trilogy :) Bad Dale! Bad HTML! :) Good news! Good Dale! I would think that the Legend trilogy would be longer than 3 hours, tho, considering Legend, Pt 3 is supposed to be a double album. Either way, who could complain about 3 hours of Saviour Machine live? :) I wish I could. No chance to see them around these parts, most likely. -- KorgX3 picks his nose and discreetly wipes it under the Ytsejam. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Veety To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts) Message-ID: The only way to buy audio equipment is to go to the store and listen to everything and pick the one that sounds the best to you. But good info always helps the selection. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > > Stats-wise, I'm too dense to really know what the hell they're talking > about. I see that surprisingly the cheaper 'Specialty' stuff has pretty > beefy wattage-numbers compared to the slighty more expensive 'Home' line > stuff (for example the AVR 981 which retails at around $799 lists the > wattage as 135 X 5, whereas the AVR 3300 which retails at $899 or $999 lists > the wattage as 105 X 5). That alone kinda confuses me! ;) > Wattage means absolutely nothing. 50W is more than enough to blow your brains out if done properly. Take a look at the specs such as SNR (signal to noise ratio) a number over 100 is good. Look at the THD (total harmonic distortion) which should be as small as possible. If the company if nice enough to print the IMD (inter-modulation distortion) you are lucky and that number should be small as well. If they don't print these numbers they are hiding something from you and the product is probably not so good. Remember that in most consumer models they try to cheat you by saying that its 800W or some nonsense. That means on some planet, for a fraction of a second, 800W can be pushed with no reliability of quality. They will also many times post the PEAK output, which is not the true output. You always want your ratings measured in RMS (root mean square). Also try to find out if the specs (THD, SNR, IMD) are measured at full rated output. Some manufaturers will measure them at 1 watt and claim excelent specs while in reality they suck. > One thing I noticed that was different (not sure if it's important or not > though...) is that the 'Home Audio' ones list that power as being into "8 > ohms", whereas the cheaper 'Specialty' models list the wattage "into 6 > ohms". What the heck does that mean? Is 8 ohms better? > An ohm is a measurement of resistance. Normal home speakers are generally 8 ohms. The less resistance in the speaker the more current will flow through and the louder it will play. Normally a amplifier manufacturer will post wattage ratings based on a 8 ohm load and its up to the buyer to figure out what the wattage will be for their speakers. For example, if the amp says it pushes 100W into 8 ohms, it will push 200W into 4 ohms. This probably won't matter in your case if you have normal 8 ohm speakers. > I definitely want somethhing that has Dolby Digital 5.1 and also DTS, and > I'm probably looking at one of the mid-priced models (leaning towards the > 3300 I think, or the 2801, or possibly the 981). I've seen the 3300 (on > the internet) for around $660 or so, which seems pretty reasonable, and I > could also buy the 981 at a local store for $515 (I have a friend who works > there). > DD and DTS kick major ass. Movies in my house sound far better than they do in most theaters. Definatly get a reciever with both. If you are interested, I am using the Sony DB-930 receiver (the DB line is made from the ES line's parts put into the DE line's chasis at a mid range price) connected to the Energy Take 5 home theater speakers, which totally rule. Don't blow all your money on a good amp unless you have good speakers to play it on. I suggest you read around on www.audioreview.com about different model receivers. There are hundreds of models and thousands of reviews by regular people and audio professionals. Then go to a mid/high end audio store and listen to everything. Circuit city or best buy don't count! You can generally find better equipment at lower prices elsewhere. Later Ryan __________________________________________________________ .' Ryan Veety - http://www.ryanspc.com `. | PGP Key: http://www.ryanspc.com/pgp.txt | `----------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2001 19:58:16 +0000 From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT Samples Legal Issues Message-ID: Andrew Coutermarsh writes: > Well, I would assume that movie quotes (up to a certain length) fall > under the same aspect as a musical quote: It's okay to quote a small > piece of it, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain length. I don't > know if fair use really applies to movie clips, though. I also wondered if the video clips they have been showing during the intermission at their recent live shows have been used with proper permission and royalty payments, etc. They showed really long excerpts from the South Park film and Dead Poets' Society... -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: email_address_removed To: Subject: ADV: High Search Engine Placement Message-ID: Removal instructions below I saw your listing on the internet. I work for a company that specializes in getting clients web sites listed as close to the top of the major search engines as possible. Our fee is only $29.95 per month to submit your site at least twice a month to over 350 search engines and directories. To get started and put your web site in the fast lane, call our toll free number below. Mike Bender 888-532-8842 To be removed call: 888-800-6339 X1377 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:26:43 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Omega To: Just Words Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts) Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Ryan Veety wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > The only way to buy audio equipment is to go to the store and listen to > everything and pick the one that sounds the best to you. But good info > always helps the selection. This is the key bit of advice in this message. The second most important bit of advice on this subject is to pick -speakers- first. The differences between the sound of various speakers will completely swamp the differences between amps or processors or CD/DVD players. The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three right, and you'll do OK. > Wattage means absolutely nothing. 50W is more than enough to blow your > brains out if done properly. Basically, 'watts' is half the equation. You also need to know the sensitivity of the speaker; usually given in "dB/W/m"; that is, the sound level in decibels they produce 1 meter (~3 feet) away when fed with one watt. It scales up like this: for every +3 dB, you need to double the wattage of the amp. For every +10 dB, you need ten times as much power. Also note that having more speakers does the same thing; having 2 front speakers makes twice as much sound, which is worth +3dB. So, if you want 120dB (enough to deafen you very quickly; don't do this :-), and your speakers are 91dB/W/m efficient, you need: 91dB 1W with one speaker 94dB 1W with both speakers :) 97dB 2W 100dB 4W 110dB 40W 120dB 400W > Take a look at the specs such as SNR (signal to noise ratio) a number > over 100 is good. Look at the THD (total harmonic distortion) which > should be as small as possible. If the company if nice enough to print > the IMD (inter-modulation distortion) you are lucky and that number > should be small as well. If they don't print these numbers they are > hiding something from you and the product is probably not so good. Yup. Also note that the "damping factor" is a social-science number; the amplifier's damping has f*ck-all to do with the performance of the system. (Unless you're looking at some very questionable tube-driven gear, driving some very weird speakers, maybe.) > Remember that in most consumer models they try to cheat you by > saying that its 800W or some nonsense. That means on some planet, for > a fraction of a second, 800W can be pushed with no reliability of > quality. This is often listed as "PMPO": Peak Music Power Output. Again, a social-science number. Run away. Run far away. Buy another brand name entirely if you see this. :-) > They will also many times post the PEAK output, which is not the true > output. You always want your ratings measured in RMS (root mean > square). If they do list peak, divide by 1.414 to get RMS. Though, again, if they're listing peak, they're just doctoring the numbers and probably are hiding other things as well. > Also try to find out if the specs (THD, SNR, IMD) are measured at full > rated output. Some manufaturers will measure them at 1 watt and claim > excelent specs while in reality they suck. True. They can still be worthwhile even if they are measured at low output, of course. Listening is the only way to tell. > > One thing I noticed that was different (not sure if it's important or > > not though...) is that the 'Home Audio' ones list that power as being > > into "8 ohms", whereas the cheaper 'Specialty' models list the wattage > > "into 6 ohms". What the heck does that mean? Is 8 ohms better? > > An ohm is a measurement of resistance. Normal home speakers are > generally 8 ohms. The less resistance in the speaker the more current > will flow through and the louder it will play. Normally a amplifier > manufacturer will post wattage ratings based on a 8 ohm load and its up > to the buyer to figure out what the wattage will be for their speakers. > For example, if the amp says it pushes 100W into 8 ohms, it will push > 200W into 4 ohms. A good amp will do this. A poor amp won't. Amplifiers that have low-ohm speaker capability usually advertise themselves as such, possibly using a term like "High Current Amplifier", or rating power into a lower-ohm speaker (like your 6 ohm amp, above). > This probably won't matter in your case if you have normal 8 ohm > speakers. Speaker impedances vary wildly, though. Mine are "nominal 8 ohms", but they dip to 2.5 ohms at one freqency in the bass region. This means I need a pretty beefy amp. At the very worst, give the amp the "lift test". Heavy amps are heavy because they have big capacitors, big transformers, and big heat sinks, all necessary for driving large amounts of current. > Don't blow all your money on a good amp unless you have good > speakers to play it on. Yup. The standard rule of thumb (for 2-channel stereo equipment) is half your $$$ on speakers, half on everything else. My split is more like 80% speakers, 20% ancillary equipment right now, but I'll update the electronics eventually. It'll never get to half-and-half though; maybe 2-to-1 by the time I've got the full DVD/surround system built. Also, don't fall for the wire gag. Low-end Monster interconnects and Home Depot 12-gauge 'zip cord' is just as good sounding as the high-priced stuff. I actually have Radio Shack 'gold' interconnects for half of my stuff. If you've got a $50,000 system, and you're a pre-teen female, you might hear the difference between 12-gauge zip cord and hundred-dollar cables. Otherwise, save the money and buy a few more CDs/DVDs. :-) > I suggest you read around on www.audioreview.com > about different model receivers. Usenet is a decent place to look, as well. rec.audio.* newsgroups (except rec.audio.opinion, which is a constant flamewar) have much more knowledge on the subjects than you'll find on the 'Jam. I'm an electrical engineer, but I do chips. There, you can find EEs that actually work in audio. :-) > Then go to a mid/high end audio store and listen to everything. > Circuit city or best buy don't count! Can I get an "amen, brother"? Audio King at least. Look to see if the store is selling "high-end" type equipment; B&W, Paradigm, Paragon, Rotel, Bryston, Adcom, Arcam, etc. (My system is B&W/Rotel.) > You can generally find better equipment at lower > prices elsewhere. --Jay "posting about audio stuff... again" Omega --NP: DJGeorge on http://www.ytseradio.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:16:03 -0600 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= To: Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts) Message-ID: <008401c084da$0e3d28c0$16a8f094@ernie> > > The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three > right, and you'll do OK. > i dont get this......i dont own a bose system, but i heard one, and sounded pretty good to my ears. anybody can explain me why bose is often trashed here? Mauricio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:17:35 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" To: Subject: NAMM Message-ID: Dumb question here. What does NAMM stand for? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andre Navarro "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:23:08 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts) Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, [iso-8859-1] Mauricio Mart=EDnez wrote: > > The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three > > right, and you'll do OK. >=20 > i dont get this......i dont own a bose system, but i heard one, and > sounded pretty good to my ears. anybody can explain me why bose is > often trashed here? The thing is that most people who don't own high-end systems can't hear the difference between Bose and anything higher-end because you haven't actually HEARD higher-end stuff. Let's put it this way: Bose manages to get decent sound out of their system by adding a subwoofer. Without the subwoofer all you hear is high frequencies and upper-middle frequencies. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to get decent frequency response in such a small cube. If you were to listen to a high fidelity system and then listen immediately afterward to a Bose system, you would hear an enormous difference. Also, Bose charges incredibly high amounts of money for their systems. =20 With the same amount of money, you could buy a MUCH higher quality system without the name-brand oomph that Bose carries. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Procrastinators UNITE... tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:31:44 -0600 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= To: Subject: Re: NAMM Message-ID: <00f101c084ed$08f0faa0$16a8f094@ernie> National Association of Music Merchants. Mauricio ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Andre Navarro" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: NAMM > > Dumb question here. What does NAMM stand for? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andre Navarro > "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5743 **************************