YTSEJAM Digest 5661 Today's Topics: 1) more levels theory by Joshua Rasiel 2) Re: boots by "James Arin Colberg" 3) Re: more levels theory by "Paul Tadday" 4) Re: Windows ME by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:14:14 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more levels theory Message-ID: >Copying from cd's for your buddy IS just as "wrong" (as you put it) to >someone using Napster. So if you were the artist trying to make a buck, you would be equally pissed with a) the tape trader who copies a low-quality tape of your music and b) the surfer that downloades CD-quality bootlegs of every song you've ever written, including ones you may not finished writing, instantly??? These two actions are equally bad? If you had to choose between them, you would have trouble deciding, right? Since there's no difference? >But... as the saying goes, >Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!! >I'm pretty sure that we have all violated copyright at some point in our >lives! Whether it's copying videos, cd's, taping from tv, or any form of >copyrighted material, we've all probably been guilty at some time. Which goes back to the hypocrite thing. I think it's really cool that you have that attitude - everyone hates hypocrites, and I respect you for being wary of a double standard. But again, it's just not the same thing, so there is no double standard. Copying videos and tapes isn't nearly as bad, so it's ok for you and me to do it and still feel that napster is wrong. -josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:17:01 -0500 From: "James Arin Colberg" To: Subject: Re: boots Message-ID: <00f101c045ec$2f50d980$b420fc40@jamesarin> Ummm, no I only copied the Mike Bahr stuff that the band (MP mainly) allowed. Those, by the way, are the only boots I own. Actually the band did say to stop coping them and I did. I never made a penny and I still have all the recipts to prove it. I saved all that stuff for my own peice of mind. :^) I was a DJ for years and saw how bands got screwed no matter which way they turned which is why I got out of the industry after going to school for 5 years. I have seen this face a thousand times every morning of my life But I never saw these eyes so clear free of doubt and pain Like the whole world has been made again And it's all because you made me see what is false and what is true Like the inside and the outside of me is being made again by you Marillion 'Made Again' ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "CyberDuke" > > Boots are a different story but I only > > copy boots of bands that don't forbid them > > Ummm, why do I have problems with this statement? > > So like, if we're being 100% honest, you shouldn't be owning any DT > boots, since anyway not all of the DT gang approve it. > > And what's that anyway, > - if the band says OK, then I copy the boots (that anyway won't ever get > released and will continue to be exchanged strictly within the fan > community); > - and if they say NO, OK, I won't ever copy any of that stuff. > > Why I find this VERY hard to believe? So like, you bump across some > amazing John Petrucci boot material piece which inspires you for the > rest of your guitarist life, and then you hear John says a No-NO for > boots so you will go and delete it? Ugghghh .... yeah right. > > And what, are you going around asking the bands if they approve boots > whenever you come across some boot materials? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:21:53 +1100 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Re: more levels theory Message-ID: <002d01c045f5$3d3bb0c0$be4436cb@dreamryche> > So if you were the artist trying to make a buck, you would be equally > pissed with a) the tape trader who copies a low-quality tape of your > music and b) the surfer that downloades CD-quality bootlegs of every > song you've ever written, including ones you may not finished writing, > instantly??? When people refer to mp3's as "CD quality" it really makes me wonder what type of inferior equipment they normally listen to regular CD's on to not be able to hear the difference between an mp3 and the real thing! Also, anything that I have taped from my cd collection to play in my car stereo is hardly what I would consider to be "low quality". Even though they are recorded on a cassette they are better quality than a highly compressed mp3 file, but that's another argument altogether and is not the point here. > These two actions are equally bad? If you had to choose between them, > you would have trouble deciding, right? Since there's no difference? "Legally" there is no difference. They both still infringe copyright. ;) > But again, it's just not the same thing, so there is no double standard. > Copying videos and tapes isn't nearly as bad, so it's ok for you and me > to do it and still feel that napster is wrong. We've all heard the points of argument for and against the use of mp3's but if it means that I can sample something from the net to decide whether or not to buy the cd, I will do it! The radio plays little or no heavy music where I am and I don't have the cash to just take a punt on an unknown album anymore. My cd collection stands at well over 500 at the moment and probably 1/3 of those are punts that I have taken without hearing anything first and as a result have been bitterly disappointed with. My point is that either way you could argue that it is still revenue being lost to the artist and the "fat cat" record labels. As a music lover who has been guilty of doing all of these "prohibited activities" just like probably every other person in the world, I'm not saying that I don't and won't in future tape stuff to listen to in the car (until I get a cd player for the car that is!) or even download mp3's from the net. I'm just making the point that infringement is infringement, however it's done. So call me a criminal.... I'll get over it! Paul email_address_removed __________________________________ "I Wave My Private Parts At Your Aunties" - Monty Python __________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:27:29 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Windows ME Message-ID: Thanks for the replies on this subject! I bought a new computer which already has Windows ME. I have had a few problems (mainly with shutting down the computer). The main reason for buying this particular one was the separate DVDRom and CDRewriter drives, very useful if you want to record your own music! I am thinking of Cubase Audio as the recording program - any comments? ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5661 **************************