YTSEJAM Digest 5659 Today's Topics: 1) the ytsejam is super by Adam Cook 2) Re: stuff by "Charlie_Farrell" 3) ProgPowerUSA by "Charlie_Farrell" 4) Re: fair use etc. long but hopefully worthwhile. by "Brian O'Brian" 5) never did, never will by CyberDuke 6) yet another napster by rob denni 7) Re: never did, never will by "A_Change Of_Seasons" 8) Re: ProgPowerUSA by Mike Patrick 9) Re: yet another napster by "James Arin Colberg" 10) AiC? by email_address_removed 11) Godhead! by Chris 12) TSO question by "Tim Detman" 13) Re: stuff by Phil Carter 14) Re: stuff by "Dan McCormack" 15) Re:TSO question by "Nissinen Tommi" 16) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5657 by Alex Ramos 17) _We Find Missing People For You..or it's FREE! by email_address_removed 18) Various items, mostly of an Ozricky nature :) by "Paul W. Cashman" 19) Napstah by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 20) Scene / Phantasmagoria by WB Henderson 21) Re: Scene / Phantasmagoria by Brian D Hayden 22) POS, SX... by "Paul Evans" 23) Re: POS, SX... by Brian D Hayden 24) Re: Jordan's on-lin conservatory by Damon Fibraio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:46:26 -0500 From: Adam Cook To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the ytsejam is super Message-ID: > From: Brian D Hayden > > This is the part that really annoys me. Anyone who cares about a > "scene" is a real fruit in my book. Listen to what you enjoy on a band by > band basis, and why should you worry about or get "depressed" over what > other people listen to? I've said it before and I'll say it again: these > attitudes simply demonstrate that you're small-minded and insecure, and > need your opinions validated by a larger group while at the same time your > prejudices invalidate any differing opinion. > > Sad. > > -Brian Brian, You're being a dick. Sincerely, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:40:51 -0000 From: "Charlie_Farrell" To: "Ytsejam@Torchsong. Com" Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:00:38 -0800 ]From: Mark Peters To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: stuff >>]From: Phil Carter: >> Mm. I wondered if anybody else was going to pick up on this. Heh. Two >> months ago, Playboy, this month, Maxim. Am I moving up in the world >> or down? :) > > What issue of Playboy was that, Phil? I assume you had a letter > printed there too. The only other time I remember a 'jammer getting > a letter in a major magazine was when Elliott Kim got one printed in > Guitar for the Practicing Musician. Anyone? Well I had a letter printed in Classic Rock Magazine here in the UK a few months back - only Graham Borland noticed though :-( Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:40:47 -0000 From: "Charlie_Farrell" To: "Ytsejam@Torchsong. Com" Subject: ProgPowerUSA Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:31:41 -0800 (PST) ]From: Mike Patrick To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ProgPowerUSA >I talked to Glenn Harveston(he is putting prog >power usa together). He mentioned that of all >the internet based groups, the jam is showing >the least interest and was surprised by that. >So.. I am encouraging everyone to check out >www.progpower.com( it is a dual site for both, >usa and european prog power fests) The tickets >are very limited, so check it out soon. If you >do get tickets let him know you are a jammer. I'd guess that it depends how you consider yourself. Quite a few people here belong to other lists and post on PM. Maybe those folks consider themselves a 'teof'er or PM'er or whatever before a 'jammer - guess that just illustrates the decline in 'prestige' of this list. There was a time when I considered myself a 'jammer' above all, but it hasn't been like that in a while. That being said Nevermore Reading Zero Zero Hour Power of Omens Evergrey PAIN OF SALVATION is a pretty damn good line-up. I'm certainly wishing Glenn every success with this venture Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:25:38 -0600 From: "Brian O'Brian" To: Subject: Re: fair use etc. long but hopefully worthwhile. Message-ID: on 11/1/00 3:38 PM, James Arin Colberg at email_address_removed scribbled in vibrant crayola: > "mostly wrong"? Just how many analog CDs do you own anyway? ;^) We are > pretty much no longer in an 'analog world'. Argh. "Mostly" was a holdover from the first draft. My bad. -Brian -- "I've been thinking...take up drinking...throw a few bad years away" - Kevin Moore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:16:47 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: never did, never will Message-ID: > From: "James Arin Colberg" > Hey Kurt, You are not the only one who doesn't use Napster. Never > touched it never will. There are plenty of other places to find > sound samples. Muahaha, more meat for us fool! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:23:30 -0800 (PST) From: rob denni To: ytsejam Subject: yet another napster Message-ID: Well, all I have to add to the napster thread is this: if anyone of you anti-napster people out there ever once copied a tape or record or cd from a friend or let a friend copy one of yours, then you are a hypocrite and have no argument. ===== Rob Denni 1657-B Elm Ct. Ft. Gordon, GA 30905 (706) 790-8937 Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ]From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:31:04 CST From: "A_Change Of_Seasons" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: never did, never will Message-ID: Jam... I'll chime in... I've never used Napster and never will. On another note... The Kansas Ytsejam will be holding a meeting on November 4th (this coming Saturday) in Kansas City, Kansas. Anyone who wants to attend should just drop me an email... Need more info? Just go to: Thanks sacredjade ****************************** "Seize the day!" I heard him say... "Life will not always be this way. Look around, hear the sounds. Cherish your life while you're still around." ****************************** A Change Of Seasons by Dream Theater _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Patrick To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ProgPowerUSA Message-ID: Oh, what chaos I inspire. Seriously, I wasn't out to pick any fights. Quite honestly (and this is my OPINION, but then that pretty much goes without saying)(no, it does go without saying, now that I think about it) there are some really great bands on the schedule, and heaven knows when you'll EVER get the chance to see the likes of Evergrey and Pain of Salvation in this country again...so I just think that if you're a DT fan and you already listen to a lot of these bands, it's a no-brainer if you can swing it. If your're not already into them, and you don't have to sell one of your childeren to attend, it'd be well worth your time, unless you condsider everyone in DT's wake a 'clone'. Someone said that DT is not the center of the musical universe, but I'll tell ya - their corner is getting pretty crowded, and while there's a lot of crap there, there's also a lot of very smart, very talented bands. I'll also point to something sort of unrealted that just depresses the crap out of me. Some time ago, someone posted LTE I & II sales figures here, and they were something like 7,000 and 3,500, respectively. Huh? How the hell can DT sell 100,000 copies of an album and then turn around and sell 3,500 copies of LTE II? I'll tell you how... I'd be willing to bet that a whole ton and a half of people who buy DT albums don't even KNOW there IS an LTE. I know, I know, I'm preaching to the chior. I mean, 'net access is obviously the main way to be plugged into all this, I guess I just am tempted to lash out in frustration at the inability to widen the circle any further than our little relatively closed group of bitheads. Ramble/rant over. Oh - one more ProgPowerUSA thought. Glenn Harveston is a wonderful guy, and I mean that. So am I hyping the fest as a way to help progmetal fans AND Glenn? Guilty as charged. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ]From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:36:47 -0500 From: "James Arin Colberg" To: Subject: Re: yet another napster Message-ID: <027601c0446d$b71e1560$b420fc40@jamesarin> I have two lists, one is a purchase this list, the other is a don't bother list. When I borrow something from a friend I do not make a copy, instead I add the artist to one list or the other. I do not make copies of full albums for friends but I will put a song or two from a bunch of different bands if they want to sample before buying. Boots of are a different story but I only copy boots of bands that don't forbid them. So far I have only made boot copies of DT stuff but that hasn't happened for a couple of years. Later, Jim I have seen this face a thousand times every morning of my life But I never saw these eyes so clear free of doubt and pain Like the whole world has been made again And it's all because you made me see what is false and what is true Like the inside and the outside of me is being made again by you Marillion 'Made Again' ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "rob denni" > Well, all I have to add to the napster thread is > this: if anyone of you anti-napster people out there > ever once copied a tape or record or cd from a friend > or let a friend copy one of yours, then you are a > hypocrite and have no argument. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:47:55 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: AiC? Message-ID: So, there's a new live album coming out? Enlighten me Kurt, where did you get this information? It was about time AiC released something new. By the way, AiC has sold something like 8 or 9 million albums (including the EPs and Unplugged) total, which is more than Godsmack's 3 million. Not trying to prove anything except respond to that one statement. When will AiC release a new studio album? GRRR. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:25:48 -0500 From: Chris To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Godhead! Message-ID: I can't believe that the name Godhead has been mentioned outside of my circle of friends haha. To me Godhead is this local band from D.C. that played in Phantasmagoria (now closed), Blackcat and the 9:30 club. When I went to their shows, there were just 30 people around. And now they have a song on the Blair Witch 2 soundtrack and they're touring with Manson. Who would've thunk it. If I ever hear them on the radio I'll scream! I can't believe they're actually on Napster. I've seen them a number of times live and they do put on an incredible show. It's very exciting and it's a lot heavier than what you hear on their albums. I'm going to see them on the Manson tour when they get to Virginia. I don't even care for Manson's music. Anyway, buy Power Tool Stigmata and Nothingness (their two albums). I've been waiting forever for their new one. I guess it's just a few more months now... Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:52:45 -0500 From: "Tim Detman" To: Subject: TSO question Message-ID: I just recieved my TSO tour email as I am sure some of you did... I am very excited to see they are coming to my home crib of Harrisburg, PA. anyway... I am wondering if Al Megatrelli is still with TSO or did he abandon that project too along with Savatage? and if he is gone, who replaced him? Halloween is over, time for Christmas! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:21:35 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids...... The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y. inquired: >What issue of Playboy was that, Phil? I assume you had a letter printed >there too. The only other time I remember a 'jammer getting a letter in >a major magazine was when Elliott Kim got one printed in Guitar for the >Practicing Musician. Yeah, it was a couple months back, in the August 2000 issue (the one with Darva Conger on the cover). This one wasn't about DT, though; it was about why Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. :) Incidentally, do comic books count? I've had about sixty-leven million letters published in most Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, and various independent comics over the past 10 years. :) Kurt M.: >> Am I the only person who does NOT use napster? No. But you're in the minority, I think. The Ozric Tentacles show tonight rocked my nadz (in a spacey, psychedelic sort of way). If they're coming near you (with, don't forget, the black-metal stylings of the Star People), make sure you go. cheers, Phil ================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed -- http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~artoo "Music is enough for a whole lifetime -- but a lifetime is not enough for music." -- Sergei Rachmaninoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:38:51 -0500 From: "Dan McCormack" To: Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <022801c0448f$2ee69790$message_id_removed> > The Ozric Tentacles show tonight rocked my nadz (in a spacey, psychedelic > sort of way). If they're coming near you (with, don't forget, the > black-metal stylings of the Star People), make sure you go. is there a website or something for the star people? i saw them when they opened for DT in march and it was very weird, but sort of funny, and i wanted to read more about them and stuff, to see if they take themselves seriously or if they are doing it to be funny. i wonder if they have anything on napster. :P hehe moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 08:00:00 +0300 From: "Nissinen Tommi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:TSO question Message-ID: I just wondered if it=B4s true that John West (vocalist from Royal Hunt, ex-Artension) is going to sing on TSO=B4s forthcoming tour=3F=3F=3F Can any= one confirm that or is it just a rumour=3F -Tommi -------------------------------------- http://personal.inet.fi/cool/tommi.dt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:53:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Ramos To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5657 Message-ID: <389509226.973148032824.JavaMail.root@web649-wra> Am I the only person who does NOT use napster? Kurt NP-Scarred from Ft lauderdale 97 ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger Trade page-www.geocities.com/Kurt_labrie/Startpage.html "Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97 NO. I don't use it at all, not because of hard disk/bandwidth limitations. Mainly because I prefer listening to samples, then buying the album(s) if I like what I hear, and actually going to live shows. Don't forget, there's radio. Some of you might say, "What...radio?!?!?" Lucky for me, I live in an area that has a good selection of radio stations... K-Rock, WSOU, WFUV, WNYC, WBGO, WDHA, etc... (NYC/NJ). I also peruse sites like launch.com, riffage.com, mp3.com; therefore I have no need for apps like Napster. Besides, there's better uses for my PC's...Quake III, C++, Photoshop, Linux, Firetalk (that's fun!)... As I type this, I'm listening to the soundtrack from a SegaSoft game. Rocket Jockey. The surf guitar (CD audio) soundtrack features Dick Dale on guitar on many of the tracks. The game rules, too. It was released in 1996, so you should be able to pick it up inexpensively. (Got mine for $3.) More info on the game: http://www.segasoft.com/gamedept/rockjock/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:57:50 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: "I'M BACK"<> Subject: _We Find Missing People For You..or it's FREE! Message-ID: We Find Missing People for YOU.....OR it's FREE!! As seen on OPRAH ....Satisfaction GUARANTEED!! www America Find your LOST LOVE from HIGH SCHOOL www America Find the Person who SKIPPED TOWN owing you MONEY www America Find the FRIEND you served with in COMBAT www America Find that DEADBEAT PARENT LET AMERICAFIND that MISSING PERSON for you! Results in 72 hours or Less! http://1068154883/users/hoop/search.html Satisfaction GUARANTEED in WRITING on our Web Site!! MANY Thousands Founds...MANY Thousands still lost. 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I couldn't stop and chat because I was racing down to the stage for the start of the show. Great show, a bit muted due to a low turnout (Moby was also in town the same evening, and that sellout show was announced first). John, from Ozrics, was at the DT show in London at the Apollo and enjoyed it muchly. :) Opening band were the familiar Star People, whose performance has either gotten better, or more familiar and less of a surprise. :) I'm bound for the Charlotte show Thursday night -- I'll be wearing a DT shirt of some kind there. :) -- +--- Paul W. Cashman, email_address_removed ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:04:37 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Napstah Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A01FC2776@ISDCRE00> Once Napstah is forced to charge for access, it can be dropped for the other programs out there that do not have the press coverage and offer the same thing (and more in some cases, such as "scour"). > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Detman [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster > > > good idea, but what about the other 100 mp3/file trading programs? they > charge too? > its like they have to draw a line between bands that are tyring to get > recognition and sucessfull bands. bands trying to get recognition think > napster is great since they get to spread their music around for free, but > bands that are already sucessfull ( metallica)don't need to spread > their music, they are already rich bastards. > what a pain in the ass, i'm glad i don't have to figure out a solution. > the > argument that will never end... > > > Napster solution...$10/month for subscriptions...legit cut goes to > > artists...with 50million+ subscribers...even if half drop after the fees > > are applied, that's still a crap-load of money...and it's advertising > > potential for artists and record labels. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:40:25 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Scene / Phantasmagoria Message-ID: Brian O'Hayden wrote: >This is the part that really annoys me. Anyone who cares about a >"scene" is a real fruit in my book. Harsh. Bettering the "scene" means more shows, better shows (bigger crowds = bigger fun), easier accessiblilty of recordings/merch (leading to lower prices), and so on. Most folks don't wish a certain type of music had increased popularity simply for the taste-validation. Or so I'd hope. Chris said: >To me Godhead is this local band from D.C. that >played in Phantasmagoria (now closed) That's a crying shame. The Phantasmagoria closing bit, I mean. Anybody know why? I saw a ton of excellent prog shows there: Flower Kings, Discipline, Gong/Porcupine Tree, Iluvatar. (And I would've gone to a lot more, had I owned a car during most of my time living near by.) It was easily one of the best venues I've ever been to: real up-close-and-personal, tables right up to the stage, pretty good sound system, and you could look through used CDs and dirt-cheap records before the concerts started. Man, all the good ones close... Brian [NP...Usurper -- Necronemesis] ============================================== WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:50:20 -0600 (CST) From: Brian D Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Scene / Phantasmagoria Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, WB Henderson wrote: > >This is the part that really annoys me. Anyone who cares about a > >"scene" is a real fruit in my book. > > Harsh. Bettering the "scene" means more shows, better shows (bigger crowds > = bigger fun), easier accessiblilty of recordings/merch (leading to lower > prices), and so on. Most folks don't wish a certain type of music had > increased popularity simply for the taste-validation. Or so I'd hope. Yeah, you'd hope. I think it's a mix of the two, in reality. I have a fondness for hyperbole, what can I say. :) -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:33:32 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" To: Subject: POS, SX... Message-ID: <006c01c044f3$061f9a50$message_id_removed> Speaking of POS, I've been listening to their new album. Pretty dense. There's a lot to get your ears around in here. I like it, but so far not as much as the last one. I think they're going to win the longest song contest :-) I first checked POS out a few months ago, after all the talk about them on the jam. They are extremely cool - very unique. It does take a while to warm up to the vocals, but now I really dig them. Really worth checking out if you're looking for something a little different... I also picked up Symphony X V (found both at a local Tower, amazingly). This is my first time hearing SX, and I'm pretty impressed. Definitely will pick up the rest of their albums. Thanks to the jam for some killer recomendations. Paul "I'm Brian, and so's my wife!" - name that quote... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:25:04 -0600 (CST) From: Brian D Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: POS, SX... Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Paul Evans wrote: > "I'm Brian, and so's my wife!" - name that quote... "I'm looking for a Brian! Have we got a Brian here?" Monty Python's Life of Brian, crucifixion scene. classic. :) -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:16:34 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jordan's on-lin conservatory Message-ID: I have seriously considered it, with the only drawback being whether or not it is accessible to the blind, since I am blind, you know. To me, I think it's a bargain at $45. At 08:19 AM 11/1/2000, you wrote: >I just wondered if anyone else is thinking about getting >involved with it. I mean, $45 per lesson sounds a bit >pricy, but this is Jordan Rudess for chrissakes! > >Thinking about it seriously, y'know. Anyone?? > > >Sign-up for free Buffy the Vampire Slayer e-mail at >http://www.buffymail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5659 **************************