YTSEJAM Digest 5655 Today's Topics: 1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5654 by "Steven Zebrowski" 2) Re: Napster and the price of CDs by "HJ Rivera" 3) RE: Microsoft Windows ME by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 4) RE: Microsoft Windows ME by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 5) RE: Microsoft Windows ME by Andrew Coutermarsh 6) Re: Napstah by "Jarno Tuomainen" 7) Re: Napstah by "Jarno Tuomainen" 8) Re: Napstah by "Jarno Tuomainen" 9) Overture/Pens by "Alex O'Connell" 10) Re: Napster by "Matt Molite" 11) Re: SyX-V -> The Mirror? by "Janne Jokitalo" 12) Re: Napster by Andrew Coutermarsh 13) prog power usa by Pam Nazer 14) Re: CD's for SALE (not free this time, sorry)... :) by "James Arin Colberg" 15) Godsmack by "Mike and Susan Verstraete" 16) Re: Napster and the price of CD's by Alex Ramos 17) Re: Godsmack/Awake by Adam Perkowsky 18) Re: new enchant reviews? by Chris Oates 19) Jens and MP3s by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:45:22 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5654 Message-ID: 1) re: Napster (LONG RANTY POST!!) by Jens Johansson Jens, you fucking rule. Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:48:24 EST ]From: email_address_removed Hey, anyone out there had problems with Windows ME? No, I think what you meant to say was: "Has anyone out there had trouble with Windows?" "ME!" "ME!" "ME!" Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:51:05 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: Napster and the price of CDs Message-ID: <002a01c04280$d4b7b430$message_id_removed> ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Isaac Sabetai" > How is $16 that bad for a CD. (That's the most a CD will run- I and many > others pay about $12) You obviously haven't been to a Tower Records/Sam Goody/Musicland/Waves recently, have you? Most releases there are going for $18.99, unless they're on sale. >But at $16 per CD, that averages to just $1 (!) > for a song that you will own for the rest of your life. It's not that > bad of a deal. How many albums actually have 16 songs on them?? Very few in fact. 10 is more the norm. So at $16 a cd, you're paying an average of $1.60 per song (or $1.89 if you buy them at Tower Records). I'm not attacking your position, just pointing out your "fuzzy math." :) joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:44:16 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Microsoft Windows ME Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A01FC2707@ISDCRE00> Many reviews that came out before the release of Windows Me said "do not buy this upgrade unless you have Windows 3.1"... It's not a major upgrade and is not really worth messing up a perfect Win95/98 platform. Might want to sign up at www.langa.com to get VERY informative newsletters. JM > -----Original Message----- > From: email_address_removed [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:23 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Microsoft Windows ME > > > Hey, anyone out there had problems with Windows ME? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:49:25 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Microsoft Windows ME Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A01FC2708@ISDCRE00> What type of quirks have you had? or are you just asking if others have any? > -----Original Message----- > From: email_address_removed [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:23 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Microsoft Windows ME > > > Hey, anyone out there had problems with Windows ME? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Microsoft Windows ME Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote: > Many reviews that came out before the release of Windows Me said "do > not buy this upgrade unless you have Windows 3.1"... It's not a major > upgrade and is not really worth messing up a perfect Win95/98 > platform. Amen to that. I tried installing WinME and subsequently proceeded to uninstall it a few days later. The ONLY -- I repeat, ONLY -- good thing I saw about it that was a significant improvement over Win98 was that they had these neat-o Internet games that enabled me to play Othello against a random person (or any other of a few different games, but Othello is my passion, game-wise). Anything else was no different over 98. Even the My Network Places that was included in ME was not a significant improvement. Don't bother, unless you're buying a new system, or if you are having serious problems already with your 95 or 98 installation. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. - Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:44:09 GMT From: "Jarno Tuomainen" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napstah Message-ID: >This is what scares me. Not where we are now, but where this could >lead. > >Napster is in trouble for " aiding in distribution of copyrighted >material ". So, what's next? Legal consequences as would for a magazine attaching CDs of copyrighted material as giveaways (w/o the author's consent)? >Could that be stretched to include the Internet itself? Meaning that everyone caught providing illegal content on the internet would face a lawsuit? Yes, sir. >Remember, there >are policticians out >there still lobbying for more "control" over the Internet, based on the >availability of things >such as child pornography, illegal software exchanges, cracks, >instructions on making your >bomb, etc. Do you think that child pornography and pirated software should be openly available (the two of the above mentioned that are illegal)? That no laws should apply to anything done on the internet? I'm not for restricting access to the internet, having online content pre-approved or anything similar, only that the internet as a media wouldn't differ from any other more conventional media (radio, TV, papers,...) when it comes to copyright issues, or legality of any other matter. >Could the trading of MP3's, and the possible demise of Naptster be added >to that list to >strengthen the political position that the Internet needs to be >controlled? How hard it is to control the internet now? Go to Altavista, type warez and press enter. Hell, you make my words sound like I want the internet to be shut down... That's NOT the case. All I'm saying is that Napster's activities are violating the rights of copyright holders, and I don't think that the music being on the internet should make a difference here. -Jarno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:45:15 GMT From: "Jarno Tuomainen" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napstah Message-ID: >This is what scares me. Not where we are now, but where this could >lead. > >Napster is in trouble for " aiding in distribution of copyrighted >material ". So, what's next? Legal consequences as would for a magazine attaching CDs of copyrighted material as giveaways (w/o the author's consent)? >Could that be stretched to include the Internet itself? Meaning that everyone caught providing illegal content on the internet would face a lawsuit? Yes, sir. >Remember, there >are policticians out >there still lobbying for more "control" over the Internet, based on the >availability of things >such as child pornography, illegal software exchanges, cracks, >instructions on making your >bomb, etc. Do you think that child pornography and pirated software should be openly available (the two of the above mentioned that are illegal)? That no laws should apply to anything done on the internet? I'm not for restricting access to the internet, having online content pre-approved or anything similar, only that the internet as a media wouldn't differ from any other more conventional media (radio, TV, papers,...) when it comes to copyright issues, or legality of any other matter. >Could the trading of MP3's, and the possible demise of Naptster be added >to that list to >strengthen the political position that the Internet needs to be >controlled? How hard it is to control the internet now? Go to Altavista, type warez and press enter. Hell, you make my words sound like I want the internet to be shut down... That's NOT the case. All I'm saying is that Napster's activities are violating the rights of copyright holders, and I don't think that the music being on the internet should make a difference here. -Jarno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:45:17 GMT From: "Jarno Tuomainen" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napstah Message-ID: >This is what scares me. Not where we are now, but where this could >lead. > >Napster is in trouble for " aiding in distribution of copyrighted >material ". So, what's next? Legal consequences as would for a magazine attaching CDs of copyrighted material as giveaways (w/o the author's consent)? >Could that be stretched to include the Internet itself? Meaning that everyone caught providing illegal content on the internet would face a lawsuit? Yes, sir. >Remember, there >are policticians out >there still lobbying for more "control" over the Internet, based on the >availability of things >such as child pornography, illegal software exchanges, cracks, >instructions on making your >bomb, etc. Do you think that child pornography and pirated software should be openly available (the two of the above mentioned that are illegal)? That no laws should apply to anything done on the internet? I'm not for restricting access to the internet, having online content pre-approved or anything similar, only that the internet as a media wouldn't differ from any other more conventional media (radio, TV, papers,...) when it comes to copyright issues, or legality of any other matter. >Could the trading of MP3's, and the possible demise of Naptster be added >to that list to >strengthen the political position that the Internet needs to be >controlled? How hard it is to control the internet now? Go to Altavista, type warez and press enter. Hell, you make my words sound like I want the internet to be shut down... That's NOT the case. All I'm saying is that Napster's activities are violating the rights of copyright holders, and I don't think that the music being on the internet should make a difference here. -Jarno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:49:19 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Overture/Pens Message-ID: First off, that is very cool indeed. I have noticed that hockey arenas will use some riffs/sections off DT and Savatage occassionally. Secondly, that didn't happen to be the game where the Devils totally smashed them, smeared them, broke franchise records (or matched them) in scoring, was it? *insert evil grin here* >I went to the Pittsburgh Penguins Hockey game the other night. As they were >announcing the Linesmen/Refs/Player Lineups they were playing "Overture 1928" >in the background. "The White House has always attracted the mentally ill." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:25:10 -0500 From: "Matt Molite" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napster Message-ID: <> If they're so cheap they won't pay 17 bucks to buy a CD, why would they pay 25+ bucks for a concert? Personally, I've stopped arguing with pro-napster-ers unless they're musicians. For a musician to support Napster is like digging their own musical grave, IMO. Isn't there anyway that you could make a CD that cannot be copied off of? (I'm sure some genius will figure it out sooner or later) Matt "Seek the hidden rhyme and there you'll find a new world order Feel the mystery - so much to see through the eyes of hope" - Symphony X Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:40:06 +0200 From: "Janne Jokitalo" To: Subject: Re: SyX-V -> The Mirror? Message-ID: <001701c042b1$97bffc00$af1e1e0a@boss.fi> Funny you should say that, I was thinking the same thing but didn't ever find enough energy to write about it. Yeah that's a very strange thing, it's so alike the rhythm pattern in The Mirror. Would like to hear the story (if there is one) to that. - Rock > > In track#9("Lacrymosa / The death of Balance") on SyX's V there is a rythmic > pattern that is identical to the intro in The Mirror. I find it hard to > believe that this is just coinsidence(sp?)... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Napster Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Matt Molite wrote: > Personally, I've stopped arguing with pro-napster-ers unless they're > musicians. For a musician to support Napster is like digging their > own musical grave, IMO. I don't understand why you might think this. Digging one's own grave? Come on. For unknown musicians this is a wonderful way to get revenue that they might not have got otherwise. For example: If you have a CD released, and you are getting little to no sales on that album, you could release it on Napster. Considering the fact that nobody has that particular album (say you haven't released it publicly yet and so nobody has it just yet), you could release them at a relatively low bitrate, get them out there in specific circles (say you're a jazz musician and you go to the jazz channel in Napster to distribute it), and wait for somebody to buy the CD from you. This would be much easier if you were, say, only doing online sales, or if you were handling the distribution yourself. Basically, you'd be controlling how the music was distributed because nobody wants a low-quality version of a recording. If that's all that's available (as was mentioned earlier in a post), then at least SOMEbody would be anxious to buy the album. But the sales of the album would easily outmatch the loss of revenue, due to the fact that you're not making any revenue anyway and thus can't lose any. > Isn't there anyway that you could make a CD that cannot be copied off > of? (I'm sure some genius will figure it out sooner or later) Nope. It can't be done. As long as you can hear a signal, it's impossible to prevent it from being copied. A CD is nothing more than a bunch of data that is played out a speaker (or some other audio output source). It is incredibly easy to make that signal go somewhere other than a speaker, such as a recorder. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:50:38 -0500 From: Pam Nazer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog power usa Message-ID: I talked to Glenn Harveston(he is putting prog power usa together). He mentioned that of all the internet based groups, the jam is showing the least interest and was surprised by that. So.. I am encouraging everyone to check out www.progpower.com( it is a dual site for both, usa and european prog power fests) The tickets are very limited, so check it out soon. If you do get tickets let him know you are a jammer. Pam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:42:10 -0500 From: "James Arin Colberg" To: Subject: Re: CD's for SALE (not free this time, sorry)... :) Message-ID: <004801c042cc$2970e500$e323fc40@jamesarin> I know this is really late but did those Ayreon CDs sell yet? Thanks, Jim I have seen this face a thousand times every morning of my life But I never saw these eyes so clear free of doubt and pain Like the whole world has been made again And it's all because you made me see what is false and what is true Like the inside and the outside of me is being made again by you Marillion 'Made Again' ----- Original Message ----- ]From: "David Dixon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: CD's for SALE (not free this time, sorry)... :) Hey everyone - Thanks for the response on the free CDs - I hope Todd enjoys them as much as I did... Anyway, I'm selling a few leftovers from my collection which may be of interest to fellow progheads: * Symphony X - The Damnation Game - $7 * Ayreon - Actual Fantasy - $7 * Ayreon - The Final Experiment - $7 * Ed E. Roland - S/T (rare pre-Collective Soul solo album of CS singer/songwriter) - $7 These prices include shipping if you are in the continental 48 United States. Otherwise, you pay for shipping. All four discs and cases are in great shape and were rarely used (too many damn CDs in my collection)... :) Thanks! David Dixon Senior Consultant MCSD, MCDBA, MCSE Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:03 -0600 From: "Mike and Susan Verstraete" To: "ytsejam" Subject: Godsmack Message-ID: <001501c042d8$8fa50660$6d5099d1@homewks> I noticed that Godsmack has released a new CD titled "AWAKE".....um, wonder where they came up with that? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Ramos To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napster and the price of CD's Message-ID: >Yeah, what a solution. If I can't afford something, I'll just >steal it. >In fact, right now I could use a new computer. Maybe I'll go >over to the >store, and walk out with a nice Pentium III machine. I'll also >be sure >to also take a CD burner, so I can put my downloaded/pirated >MP3s (from >CDs I can't afford) on blank CDs, which I'll also steal because >I don't >make enough money. I like this logic... > >How is $16 that bad for a CD. (That's the most a CD will run- I >and many >others pay about $12) But at $16 per CD, that averages to just >$1 (!) >for a song that you will own for the rest of your life. It's >not that >bad of a deal. > >Isaac I agree. Not only that, sometimes a trip to the used CD/tape/record stores may make that $1 figure go lower, especially for older albums. I'd be damned if my recent purchases of Martin Simpson and Judas Priest came off the web through Napster or any such similar app. (I got "Painkiller" on CD for $8.99 and a used cassette of Simpson's "Smoke and Mirrors" for $1.99 at the old stock section of Tower Records at 4th St in NYC.) Try downloading the cover art while you're at it...certainly doesn't look as good as the actual one. Whatever happened to actually appreciating the thrill of having an entire album in your hands? I can understand people who may only have one or two favorites. Sometimes you have to take a few chances. If you don't like an album, just trade it in at some used record store for another one. Or are you Napster freaks too lazy to go out to the stores?!? Eh? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:30:52 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Perkowsky To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Godsmack/Awake Message-ID: Hey everyone, --- Mike and Susan Verstraete wrote: > > I noticed that Godsmack has released a new CD titled > "AWAKE".....um, wonder > where they came up with that? Five minutes after I received the above post in my e-mail box, I read the following news story: GODSMACK `AWAKE' SPARKS TWO LAWSUITS The use of the title "Awake" for the new Godsmack CD has caused quite a legal battle. Members of the prog metal act Dream Theater have filed a lawsuit claiming that Godsmack stole the title from their third studio album, also called "Awake." Band spokesman Mike Portnoy said in a statement to the press: "We had first dibs on that name. Why call the CD `Awake' and not `Images and Words' or `Metropolis II: Scenes From a Memory'? They might as well have done that since they definitely stole the name from us. Next thing you know, they'll have a bassist who rarely speaks and three different keyboard switches." About five minutes after Dream Theater's lawsuit was filed, Webster's Dictionary filed their own lawsuit against both Godsmack and Dream Theater claiming that "we had first dibs on that word `awake.' We've been publishing that word in our dictionary even before the members of the two bands were even born." There has been no word yet on a possible lawsuit by the ancestors to the creators of the English language, who would have an even stronger case against Godsmack than Webster's or Dream Theater. Take care, Adam Perkowsky ===== "It's such a fine line between stupid and... clever" -- David St. Hubbins & Derek Smalls, Spinal Tap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:40:56 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new enchant reviews? Message-ID: At 02:14 AM 10/30/2000, you wrote: >Anyone have any opinions on the new Enchant recording? So far so good, but I got Mastermind-Excelsior! the same day, which has been getting more play-time. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:01:01 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jens and MP3s Message-ID: Jens: I understand where you're coming from. It's strange though, because I use Napster quite a bitm, and almost every MP3 I have is either 1)Unreleased Live Material, ior 2) Something I own. I actually got turned on to Stratovarius with an MP3 of "The Kiss Of Judas". An MP3 of Ä"The Divine Wings Of Tragedy" got me into Symphony X. I generally use it to get a sample of bands that are hard tro find in teh US. i HATE buying a CD via cdnow as an import for some large sum of money, and disliking it.. A simpl solution would be to 1)Increase US distruibution, or 2)Have sampler CDs as I've seen in Germany's "Rock Hard" magazine.. But for us poor folks in the states, we really donÄt have any otehr channel to get turned onto new music. let alone a genre that's dying in the US So, I support Napster as a means of Distribution, but not blatent copyright infringement., The problem is that ther's no way to regulkate this. Kindest Regards, Adam ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5655 **************************