YTSEJAM Digest 5651 Today's Topics: 1) napster by robert cox 2) Re: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster by OPeCKiE Productions 3) RE: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster by "Tim Detman" 4) Re: Napster inc of puppets by Brian D Hayden 5) Kansas Ytsejam Meeting by "Mike and Susan Verstraete" 6) Re: *rude* fans at dt shows ... by Chris Oates 7) Re: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster by OPeCKiE Productions 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5650 by email_address_removed 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5650 by email_address_removed 10) Sha-na-napster by WB Henderson 11) Napster by "Chris Ptacek" 12) Re: Napster by Brad Plumb 13) Napster by CyberDuke 14) RE: Napster by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" 15) DC Jammers -- Trans-Siberian Orchestra Concert by "Ryan Park" 16) Re: Napster by Andrew Coutermarsh 17) Re: Napster by Graham Borland 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5650 by Chris Oates 19) Re: Napster by Chris Oates 20) re: Napster by Jim 21) Re: Napster by Michael Kizer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: robert cox To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: napster Message-ID: ok, i just want to say that i support napster in that it gets more music to more people,and i think that's important, being somewhat of a musician as well as a big fan of music in general, the only problem is the massive music industry, if we came up with another way for musicians to earn enough money to eat. i think if musicians recorded their own music and set it up on napster, sent it to the radio stations or whatever, then started touring with other bands, they could get some media attention, then other bands would start to do the same, and they would make money from concert ticket sales, merchandise, etc. and they wouldn't have to pay the record companies cds would be obsolete, mp3 players would be just as good, maybe better, and everyone would be happy except the people who are getting rich for free, the record companies there were my latest thoughts on napster to stay on the right topic, dream theater rules! -robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:12:36 -0400 From: OPeCKiE Productions To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster Message-ID: Napster solution...$10/month for subscriptions...legit cut goes to artists...with 50million+ subscribers...even if half drop after the fees are applied, that's still a crap-load of money...and it's advertising potential for artists and record labels. Michael Kizer wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:20:32 -0400 From: "Tim Detman" To: Subject: RE: [ Symphony X, ] and Napster Message-ID: good idea, but what about the other 100 mp3/file trading programs? they charge too? its like they have to draw a line between bands that are tyring to get recognition and sucessfull bands. bands trying to get recognition think napster is great since they get to spread their music around for free, but bands that are already sucessfull ( metallica)don't need to spread their music, they are already rich bastards. what a pain in the ass, i'm glad i don't have to figure out a solution. the argument that will never end... > Napster solution...$10/month for subscriptions...legit cut goes to > artists...with 50million+ subscribers...even if half drop after the fees > are applied, that's still a crap-load of money...and it's advertising > potential for artists and record labels. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:56:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian D Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Napster inc of puppets Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > And here's a little food for thought, people: Do you realize that Mozart's > Requiem (by the way, you can download a performance of my choir singing > the Mozart Requiem last April -- with me singing the bass solo -- at > http://cout.dhs.org/mozart_requiem/) was commissioned by a nobleman who > then took the completed work (which was completed by Mozart's student, > Sussmayr, after Mozart's death left it unfinished) and performed it for > his wife's memorial service as his OWN work? Not to mention the fact that > MANY of J.S. Bach's works have been stolen by other composers and used as > their own. > > This is what happens without copyright legislation. Completely incorrect and irrelevant. You're talking about PLAGIARISM, which is completely different from copyright. IT's time for a history lesson, people. The modern idea of copyright basically started with Thomas Jefferson. The basic notion was that ideas should be as widespread as possible in order to create an enlightened and cultured society. Since they are not physical possessions which only one person at a time can own, there would be no association of "ownership" to an idea, though there is obviously an originator who deserves credit. This is where copyright came in. Copyright, as originally envisioned, ensured that for a certain period, say 20 years, the originator of an idea - a writer, composer, cartoonist, etc, would have exclusive right over how a work was distributed; ie, over how money was made from the sale/licensing of said idea or work. My personal take is in line with this notion....I think there should be a set time, at most up until the death of the artist, after which time the work enters teh public domain for non-profit use and commercial use must be approved by the artist or his/her heirs. This used to be a common idea, and was part of teh "fair use doctrine" of US Copyright law, but this doctrine was effectively castrated by teh DMCA, if not earlier. Did you know that using any part of a copyrighted work online is now a federal crime? If you put your thesis containing a quote from Harold Bloom on your website, his publisher can and will have you rotting in jail and ruin your family financially. Time Warner has been especially fun about this one. This is what we get for sitting idly by while our government is bought out by corporate empires. Four companies control almost every aspect of media you will encounter today. Four. And take a guess who the greatest contributors to american political campaigns are. Don't think too hard. When it comes down to it, the reasons that these great theories and high ideals don't work in practice has a lot less to do with some college student computer geek being an evil greedy selfish pig than it does with the fact that large media conglomerates have been allowed to form near monopolies which subvert good copyright law and artist's rights far more than any mp3 listener could hope to do. I think any musician who is crying about Napster and has ever entered voluntarily into the serf/slave system imposed by a major label is a disgusting hypocrite who needs to look at the big picture. It would be like Martin Luther King Jr being more worried about Amos 'n' Andy than lynchings. Get real. WAke up. Fight the power. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:37:32 -0500 From: "Mike and Susan Verstraete" To: "ytsejam" Subject: Kansas Ytsejam Meeting Message-ID: <002901c03e1b$c42e9480$a25099d1@homewks> Hey Kansas and Missouri Jammers, We're planning another meeting of the "Kansas Jam" on Saturday November 4th at 3:00 p.m. in Overland Park KS. (Kansas City suburb). Anyone interested can either e-mail me or get more info at: