YTSEJAM Digest 5639 Today's Topics: 1) Spam on the Jam by "Gallop, Neil" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by "email_address_removed.au" 3) Jordan Rudess interview online! by "Vaughn, Brandon" 4) venue change by Joshua Rasiel 5) wah wah wahhhhhhhhh by Joshua Rasiel 6) Playing slide guitar without slide by "Wojtek Pilat" 7) kurt by "Trevor Hoit" 8) G War by "Chris Ptacek" 9) I'll meet the guys this evening... by Superior - Bernd Basmer 10) RE: I'll meet the guys this evening... by "Jan-Michael" 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by "Matt Molite" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by email_address_removed 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by email_address_removed 15) Double Jay by email_address_removed 16) Symphony X "V" $13.99 by "Jan-Michael" 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by email_address_removed 18) Re: Cobain and Vai. by Brian Larkin 19) Short on cash? We'll give you $900 in free merchandise ... by email_address_removed.de 20) ISO: Dream Theater's 8/27 and 8/29 shows by Adam Pye 21) Re: jammers on guitarwar? by email_address_removed 22) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5638 by "Roberto Scheffler" 23) Re: Cobain and Vai. by "TheCowGod" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:15:12 +0200 From: "Gallop, Neil" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Spam on the Jam Message-ID: Hi all all this talk of Spam made me think it was perhaps time for me to unleash another YTSE cocktail on the unsuspecting members of this list. So sit back and enjoy the SPAM SHAKE 1 tin of Spam 1 tin of anchovies 2 12oz cans of beer 4 oz tomato juice 1 teaspoon Dijon mustard 1/2 cup chopped parsley 1/4 cup chopped onions dash of Tabasco salt (as if you'd need it), pepper to taste Put everything in blender and blend until smooth. I have it on good authority that James LaBrie uses this to oil his vocal chords before going on stage. stay safe and happy drinking Neil Gallop (email_address_removed) Currentl playing: THE AWESOME MACHINE - Ugly Or Nothing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:39:26 +1000 From: "email_address_removed.au" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: > I never got "what" the big deal was about Nirvana. They came out, and > true they offered a sound that was unique BUT alice in chains AND > soundgarden were doing it first, and much better I might add. There was > absolutely NOTHING technical or challenging about the music, lyrically or > musically. Well whilst soundgarden and alice in chains and pearl jam all had that same Seattle sound in some way, they were all pretty much just Led Zep bands. When Nirvana came out they had that more 80s sound (like the Cure, the Posies, the Saints all them), but they also had that really heavy punk sound. Plus Kurt did have a very charismatic voice, and it was so fucking terrible, that it became good. He also had a great sense of melody and his riffs were killer. Plus Dave Grohl's drumming was very creative and quite good compared to your typical garage punk band. > Someone should right a song about this. I think you should learn to spell. > My girlfriend was listening to Passion and Warfare with me in the car. > her remark : "this is sanatana without the latin influence" True to some > extent, but I replied "Vai is a guitar god, Sanatana WAS one until that > piece of crap he released to make $$." Once again I come to the defence of musicians who are better than you. If you listen to most of Santana's stuff, its all just pop. Ever since the 1960s. (Well apart from the obvious stuff, like Plus he's always tried to colloborate where ever he can with famous bands and musicians. I think its great that he got famous and all, and that people are listening to real music not just synthesized, band-in-a-box stuff, for a change. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:57:08 -0500 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jordan Rudess interview online! Message-ID: Guys, An interview that I did with Jordan Rudess is now out in the October issue of Keyboard magazine. Most of the interview, plus an extended interview is available on their website: http://www.keyboardmag.com Also, Jordan is about to get an Online Conservatory started up. So, if you ever wanted to take online lessons from him, here is your chance! Carpe Diem, Brandon Vaughn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:20:37 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: venue change Message-ID: >How am I going to be able to enjoy a show where I know the band members >are pissed off and depressed about the crappy venue and pathetic turnout? >I am dreading it. If DT is even remotely professional - and I have a hunch they are - then they'll remember not to take their anger out on the fans that showed up. doing stand-up comedy, i can't count the times I got placed near the end of the list, after a string of bad performers. One time half the club left just as I went on, because three people before me had bombed. what am I going to do, get bitchy at the ones that STAYED? Of course not. I tried even harder, and won over the pittance of an audience that remained. And that's what it's about. I mean, otherwise, why be in the business? well i guess in my case it's not quite a business, seeing as how that would imply financial transactions(not counting free coke). -josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:30:39 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: wah wah wahhhhhhhhh Message-ID: >That was BEFORE Kurt decided to go blow his head off. Such a cool name t>oo, he brings shame to my name. Anyways after his death he was >immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold >more etc etc. >Someone should right a song about this. it could go, "shannon hoon, and kurt cobain...make themselves household names..." >Har Har Har (diminished chord played chromatically descending like in >the Bozo show) Chris, I believe you mean "WAH WAH WAHHHHHH" -josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:44:16 CEST From: "Wojtek Pilat" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Playing slide guitar without slide Message-ID: Recently I've had a chance to see a guitarist performing. He was playing some great stuff, which in terms of phrasing, tone and articulation sounded like killer slide guitar licks. The point is: He wasn't using slide to play this! I've started to work on emulating slide playing with my whammy. It's a totally new thing for me tho, so if anyone could give some hints on that matter, I'd be very happy. Thanks in advance Wojtek _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:44:17 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: kurt Message-ID: <000901c03524$112bc5b0$message_id_removed> Anyways after his death he was immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold more etc etc. Someone should right a song about this. Just Let Me Breathe. I like the one about Courtney by Primus called "Riding the Coattails of a Dead Man". T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:56:14 -0500 From: "Chris Ptacek" To: Subject: G War Message-ID: <001501c03525$bdabf840$8184e5cf@someone> re: cowgod, Brian, I've posted 4 pieces (2 victories, 2 losses... soon to be 3 and 3) I use a different nick there, because I didn't want any Ytse-spill over. :) I'll keep my identity pseudo-secret for now. :) - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:17:09 +0200 From: Superior - Bernd Basmer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I'll meet the guys this evening... Message-ID: Hi! I just wanted to tell you that I will meet the guys of DT backstage in a few hours. They liked our album Younique so much, that they invited us to come to their concert in Trier so we'll be there. :) Don't kill me... :)) Greetings Bernd -------------------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior For info about Superior look at http://www.meet-superior.de/ -------------------------------------------------------------- It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:40:26 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: Subject: RE: I'll meet the guys this evening... Message-ID: <001301c0352b$e8902300$message_id_removed> That would kick ass if Superior could open for DT in the States! -----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of Superior - Bernd Basmer Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I'll meet the guys this evening... Hi! I just wanted to tell you that I will meet the guys of DT backstage in a few hours. They liked our album Younique so much, that they invited us to come to their concert in Trier so we'll be there. :) Don't kill me... :)) Greetings Bernd -------------------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior For info about Superior look at http://www.meet-superior.de/ -------------------------------------------------------------- It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:53:26 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: The new Steve Vai "The 7th Song" will be out Nov. 7th. It will be a collection of the 7th song from each of his records plus 3 new tracks. 777 of the cd booklets will be signed and numbered by Vai himself and randomly sent to record stores. This will be the first of 12 'Archives' albums that he will release over the next several years. << When does the new Vai cd come out? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:11:10 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: Brian Larkin hath spaketh: <> Well, *I* recently switched from blacks to reds simply because they produced less friction. I think they make sweeping easier simply because they glide over the string better, and I never had problems with control. In fact, it almost feels like I have more control with the reds. When I tried witching back, the blacks felt TOO stiff. On a side note about strings: I recently started tuning my 10 set down to D standard (ala Romeo and Gilbert) and the feel is pretty damn cool :-). Nice thick strings feeling as slinky as 9s...whee! Of course, this is all my opinion. I could be completely wrong ;-). Matt "Seek the hidden rhyme and there you'll find a new world order Feel the mystery - so much to see through the eyes of hope" - Symphony X Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:54:59 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/00 1:17:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << www.geocities.com/Kurt_labrie/startpage.html >> i THINK this was the url for kurt's awesome labrie quote...but the site says they cant find it. is this the rite address??? im dying to hear this... any help would be great. thanks! rose NP: bozzio/levin/stevens "situation dangerous..." WOW good stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:08:03 EDT From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: it is people like Double Jay that make this list suck now!! hehe Im soooooooo pissed about not having my new Symphony X...I have been waiting for a very long time now and no a single record store has it...i guss im going to have to order it online.... pissed off dustro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:08:58 EDT From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Double Jay Message-ID: you have got to check out this band i have been jammen with!! YES! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:34:26 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: Subject: Symphony X "V" $13.99 Message-ID: <002c01c03544$37c24260$message_id_removed> towerrecords.com $13.99 I've been ordering Progressive Metal CD's ONLINE for some time now. Not many record stores carry the GOOD stuff http://www.towerrecords.com/product.asp?pfid=1913878 click there. -----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of email_address_removed Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 it is people like Double Jay that make this list suck now!! hehe Im soooooooo pissed about not having my new Symphony X...I have been waiting for a very long time now and no a single record store has it...i guss im going to have to order it online.... pissed off dustro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:19:35 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: << I never got "what" the big deal was about Nirvana. They came out, and true they offered a sound that was unique BUT alice in chains AND soundgarden were doing it first, and much better I might add. There was absolutely NOTHING technical or challenging about the music, lyrically or musically. >> Right on Kurt! Nirvana is one band that I absoutely cannot stand. I despise every note that came out of that band. Your entire post was great. Next Vai cd-7th Heaven-A collection of all the 7th songs, (all ballads), off his past cd's, including 3 new tracks. That's released on Nov. 7th, (apropriatley). After that, we get a live disc of songs that were recorded on the Ultra Zone tour, (all overseas), which Steve has promised to not do any overdubs on. (Definitely a big Yay). Eric Johnson is also releasing his live Alien Love Child stuff soon, probably has something about that on FavordedNations.com, (I know it's one EricJohnson.com). If any of you happen to be in Malaysia, the original G3 line up, (Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, and Joe Satriani), are doing a string of shows over there. And After Thanksgiving, Steve is doing a small tour of South America, on his own. The infamous box set is due out mid-to-late 2001. If you haven't heard the new song from 7th Heaven that was posted on Vai.com, try Napster. It's a great song called "Boston Rain Melody", one of his absolute best. <<2 of jps guitars that were on his website last week are now on ebay. The blueburst 7 string, and the P1 graphics 7 string....way cheaper than $5k....>> Uh, sorry buddy, but the guitars were started off at $5K, and the reserve wasn't even met. So he's planning on selling them for a lot more than he paid for them. The guy who bought them spent half his years sallary on them, and his wife didn't know. Once she found out, she wasn't to pleased. (No, that's not a guess...). If I only had $5K last week... I registered at GuitarWar.com the other day, I'm on as EvoReaper. I won't be posting anything up until I get some recording software and A LOT more memory, but I'll judge and whatnot. I think the site kicks ass. It's great how we can do so much stuff on the internet. I think this also gives us the chance to eat some of that humble pie we all need at times when we're sitting there thinking, "Man, I can play every Vai and DT song known to man, and I can write some really great stuff. As a matter of fact, I'm probably one of the best guitarist in my area....". Then you go onto GuitarWar.com and listen to some of these Mp3's and hear that *some* of these guys are writing some REALLY creative stuff....that kicks your stuff's ass. :-) I did notice a lot of Satriani freaks on there. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Of course your going to see Eddie Van Halen wannabe's everywhere...haven't heard any Vai type's yet though. Not much for Petrucci either.... Anyways, later! Andy- "Yeah, I'd say your my biggest fan I've met so far, just don't shoot me, K?" Steve Vai 11-23-99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:19:24 -0400 From: Brian Larkin To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Cobain and Vai. Message-ID: >From: Kurt M Hampton >Subject: Re:Vai and Cobain comment *sigh* Here we go. I'm sure taking this stance on a Dream Theater mailing list undoubtedly gets a person flamed to a crisp, but so be it. Get out your blowtorches, folks; I'm ready. >I never got "what" the big deal was about Nirvana. They came out, and >true they offered a sound that was unique BUT alice in chains AND >soundgarden were doing it first, and much better I might add. There was >absolutely NOTHING technical or challenging about the music, lyrically or >musically. Does music have to be technical and challenging? Do technique and "challenge" alone give music its value? Or are other aspects involved, like creativity and expressiveness? I've heard a lot of "technical" and "challenging" music that sounds stale, uninspired, and overdone ... and frankly, I'd rather hear "Lithium" or "In Bloom" over that music any day. Why? Those songs are cohesive, simple, creative, energetic ... done well for what they were. And that's why they connected with people - that's "what" the big deal was about Nirvana. Do fucking LYRICS have to be "technical" or "challenging"?!?! I have a suggestion for you, friend. Go listen to everyone's favorite album, Scenes from a Memory. Tell me you find more than 10-20% of the lyrics on that album thought-provoking and well-written. Or if you agree that the lyrics suffered for the purpose of tying together Met. 2's storyline, how about a song like "Burning My Soul"? Now does the fact that I'm not impressed with the lyrics impact my overall enjoyment of the music? Of course not. SFAM is probably my favorite album of all time, definitely in the top 5 if anything. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the written lyric when it's done well. But was Cobain going for literature awards, or was he trying to be freely poetic, abstract? What kind of audience was he trying to appeal to? Etc. >To put it another way they just plained sucked. Tastelessly put, and with grammatical errors to boot. ;) >That was BEFORE Kurt decided to go blow his head off. Such a cool name >too, he brings shame to my name. You're kidding, right? >Anyways after his death he was >immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold >more etc etc. What's your point here? Is this something we don't know? >Someone should right a song about this. Better yet, someone should "write" a song about it. Maybe I will. I'll call it "Why 64th Notes and College Dictionary Words Do Not Always a Good Musical Statement Make", and I'll load it up with 64th notes and the most difficult of college dictionary words. Top 40, here I come! >My girlfriend was listening to Passion and Warfare with me in the car. >her remark : "this is sanatana without the latin influence" True to some >extent, but I replied "Vai is a guitar god, Sanatana WAS one until that >piece of crap he released to make $$." Not true to any extent. Hey, guess what! I think Steve Vai might have released "Passion and Warfare" with the intent of making some money (aside from the obvious intent of furthering his "guitar god" status with a revolutionary instrumental album). >Umm I think thats all. Umm ok. >When does the new Vai cd come out? I can't wait >for that and the new nir-wait I forgot he's dead. You know, it's this level of ignorance and thoughtless disrespect that often gives this list a bad name. Grow up, dude. By the way, I'm sure James LaBrie wouuld appreciate you exploiting his unfortunate situation at that show in your signature to get attention. I know I'd be upset. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:39:07 -0400 From: email_address_removed.de To: Subject: Short on cash? We'll give you $900 in free merchandise ... Message-ID: <0000531f6d35$00000fec$0000537f@> FREE Satellite T.V. System and FREE Installation For a limited time we'll give you this top of the line Digital Satellite System for FREE! 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I'm looking for the Mexico City and Wallingford, CT shows from the recent leg of the North American tour. I've got plenty to trade, so let me know if you've got a copy of either of these.. Thanks.. Adam _________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:43:15 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: jammers on guitarwar? Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, TheCowGod squirted chocolate milk all over his keyboard in hopes that he would short circuit his computer to email ytsejam@torchsong.com a message that goes a little bit like this: > So have any of our resident Shreddi actually posted anything on GuitarWar? > I've been watching for familiar handles, but I have yet to see a > PtacekTheDestroyer or Eckielicious on there yet. :) moo. I won't give away Ptacek's secret identity (yet), but I'm registered as Shredi Eckie on there. Of course, I'm too much of a pansy (and a lazy bastard) to have anything recorded to post there yet. Hey, gimme a few more days, maybe weeks... but not months.... I still have a logo and some term papers to create :) ~Shredi Eckie senses there will be much pain, like a million voices screaming out in pain and vanishing all at once ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:36:41 -0600 From: "Roberto Scheffler" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5638 Message-ID: <006101c03587$96955500$message_id_removed.mx> >That was BEFORE Kurt decided to go blow his head off. Such a cool name >too, he brings shame to my name. Anyways after his death he was >immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold >more etc etc. > >Someone should right a song about this. Someone did write a song about this. At list that=B4s what I heard. Check= out the album Afraid of Sunlight by Marillion. The last song "King" is somewh= at Cobain=B4s story. Actually the whole album is about the same theme. I am = not sure if the song is inspired by Cobain=B4s life, but it comes to mind whe= n you hear the last verse: "And they call you a genious, cause you=B4re easier to sell. But the fire in your belly, that gave you the songs, is suddenly gone. And you feel like a fake. Is that what you want. I hope for your sake, you what what it takes, to be spoiled to death" In my opinion one of Hogarth=B4s best lyrics. And great song. Check it ou= t.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:58:51 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: Cobain and Vai. Message-ID: <006e01c03582$4c899700$message_id_removed> ]From: "Brian Larkin" Subject: Re: Cobain and Vai. > >Anyways after his death he was > >immortilized and Nirvana's music all of a sudden was even greater, sold > >more etc etc. > > What's your point here? Is this something we don't know? > > >Someone should right a song about this. > > Better yet, someone should "write" a song about it. Maybe I will. I'll um, i think everyone who has replied seems to be missing the joke in this line. i think he was referring to JLMB... or maybe not, who knows, but if not, then this is the sound of me pointing out that DT *did* write a song about it, hehe. > By the way, I'm sure James LaBrie wouuld appreciate you exploiting his > unfortunate situation at that show in your signature to get attention. I > know I'd be upset. haha its posts like that that make the jam great. if we weren't all a bunch of uptight prog snobs with no sense of humor, this list would be a whole lot more boring. :) moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5639 **************************