YTSEJAM Digest 5611 Today's Topics: 1) FATES TOUR by "Trevor Hoit" 2) EVENT News - Press Release by email_address_removed 3) Re: Funny James Story by email_address_removed 4) VideoCD by "Logo.sys" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610 by Sum WhiteGuy 6) Re: the setlist to die for :) by Adam Pye 7) RE: the setlist to die for :) by "Tim Willis" 8) Trey Gunn Tour by "Chris Ptacek" 9) Spinal Tap by CyberDuke 10) Re: Re: Kevin's solo material by "Rob Pociluk" 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610 by Chris Elder 12) Theatre Of Tragedy by Nicholas Sakkos 13) Re: Theatre Of Tragedy by "Carlos A. Alfaro" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:04:16 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" To: Subject: FATES TOUR Message-ID: <000c01c01f2e$9a2beae0$message_id_removed> I hope that 11-16 TBA will be Seattle, but I doubt it.... Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:55:18 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: EVENT News - Press Release Message-ID: Shaun Michaud of EVENT will be on tour with Fates Warning in late october as their backup guitarist/keyboardist. Shaun will take a short leave of absence from teaching at Berklee College of Music to join the four week tour. visit http://www.eventband.com or http://www.fateswarning.com for more info and tour dates ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:22:15 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Re: Funny James Story Message-ID: Lol Jared, that was great, even if you did post it twice :) ALmost as good as the Yngvie-fish episode Jens posted, which I need to get a hard copy of. That one's a keeper. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:34:05 +0300 From: "Logo.sys" To: Subject: VideoCD Message-ID: <000701c01f43$9f76b240$5676e2c1@default> Hi! I'm looking for some DT recordings on VideoCD format. I wonder if anyone can help me. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sum WhiteGuy To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610 Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:47:57 EET-2 >From: "Tanja Sorsa" >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >Subject: Finn prog in Baltimore! >Message-ID: > > >Hey! > >http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ > >Two brilliant prog bands from Finland - Alamaailman >Vasarat and >Höyry-kone - will be playing at the Orion Sound >Studios on October >14. If I was you, I'd be there! :) Both bands are >amazing live... > Being a regular attendee at the Orion Studio shows, I am already planning to be there. But hearing that Höyry-kone plays some Iron Maiden, I can't wait!! :-) I'll dig out the IM shirt for this one. And to reiterate: Trey Gunn at Orion tomorrow night. Also at Orion: Richard Leo Johnson on 9/23. He'll be with an avant garde drummer (whose name eludes me). RLJ and this drummer opened for KC at the Nashville warmup shows. I've seen RLJ twice at Orion and if you like wacky acoustic guitar music, go see him. He plays this cool lookin' double neck acoustic. Unfortunately, this is the same night I'm driving to Philly to see California Guitar Trio at the Tin Angel. If you like acoustic guitar music (classical, surf, rock covers, whatever....) you should check these guys out. On the Hammerjacks thread: The City Paper ad I saw has a web address: www.hammerjacks.org (with .net and com coming soon). I looked at it this morniong but it also has little info, but a promise of things to come. Only 177 hits, too. Jon. email_address_removed email_address_removed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:41:55 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: the setlist to die for :) Message-ID: At 08:49 AM 9/15/00 -0700, you wrote: >I usually HATE those wishlists, but I must say this was one hell of an >imagination. And a very good idea damn it. :) > >Many bands did some kind of coreograohy (sp?) for their gigs, so let's >hope DT gets more popular (=more budget for tours) and do this kind of >thing some day. :) LOL, agan it was AWESOME idea for a gig. Well, it would be a great setlist if 1) they hadn't played SFAM in its entirety every show in the past 6 months or so, and 2) they didn't have any other songs. :) They just did M2 and M1 (both in their entirety) at the Roseland show. And trust me - the actors and video were, for the most part, very cheesy. Dream Theater are musicians, not Broadway musical actors. They need to concentrate on making a good musical show - not on half-baked videos, costumes, and hired actors. It was pretty cool for the Roseland just because it was new and different (and was only going to be done once, thankfully). The narrator, as Bogie put it to me, simply "sucked monkey ass.." Hehe.. I think I'd stop going to see DT if they choreographed all of their shows. With Jordan in the band there's already way too little spontaneity in their live shows - I'd hate to see them turn into true robots. Queensryche's a good example - Geoff saying the EXACT same things to the crowd during every show is a joke to me. Are they musicians or stand-up comedians? I long for the days during Derek's "stint" when they would do completely random covers or joke around on stage (Nicky Lemmons, Nightmare Cinema, Ice Cream Man, etc). Jordan's a great technician, but I'd say he definitely hurts the band in terms of "fun factor." Oh, and as for the multiple solos.. I guarentee you that would get boring after about 5 minutes.. It's a live show, not a clinic.. Just my 2 cents... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:45:15 -0500 From: "Tim Willis" To: Subject: RE: the setlist to die for :) Message-ID: I guess it's true then - art is dead. > Well, it would be a great setlist if 1) they hadn't played SFAM in its > entirety every show in the past 6 months or so, and 2) they > didn't have any > other songs. :) They just did M2 and M1 (both in their > entirety) at the > Roseland show. And trust me - the actors and video were, for the most > part, very cheesy. Dream Theater are musicians, not Broadway musical > actors. They need to concentrate on making a good musical show - not on > half-baked videos, costumes, and hired actors. It was pretty > cool for the > Roseland just because it was new and different (and was only going to be > done once, thankfully). The narrator, as Bogie put it to me, simply > "sucked monkey ass.." Hehe.. > > I think I'd stop going to see DT if they choreographed all of their > shows. With Jordan in the band there's already way too little > spontaneity > in their live shows - I'd hate to see them turn into true > robots. Queensryche's a good example - Geoff saying the EXACT > same things > to the crowd during every show is a joke to me. Are they musicians or > stand-up comedians? I long for the days during Derek's "stint" when they > would do completely random covers or joke around on stage (Nicky Lemmons, > Nightmare Cinema, Ice Cream Man, etc). Jordan's a great technician, but > I'd say he definitely hurts the band in terms of "fun factor." > > Oh, and as for the multiple solos.. I guarentee you that would get boring > after about 5 minutes.. It's a live show, not a clinic.. > > Just my 2 cents... > > Adam > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:23:46 -0500 From: "Chris Ptacek" To: Subject: Trey Gunn Tour Message-ID: <006401c01f5b$3ca67200$8184e5cf@someone> I was never a huge Crimson fan. I like them, but sometimes I think they need more of a dynamic range... like, maybe some real leads, and some really emotional melody stuff... I find them to be sort of like a mad scientist band, but without a research grant (they're all great players, and they're really experimental, but they don't ever fully explore the possibilities of their experiments). My first exposure to KC and to Trey Gunn (other than Thrakattak, which I don't get) was their DVD. On the Crimson DVD there's a LOT of great musicianship... but none of it touches what I saw at the Trey Gunn show at Martyr's here in Chicago. Warr guitar (to me) sounds much better than Stick. It's to the point where I think I would switch instruments if I could afford a Warr (so much of my playing is touchstyle anyways, now, and you CAN pick on a Warr). Trey has chops! I have 3 of his albums, and I didn't think he had shred chops... I thought he was all layers and soundscapes... he has chops. Since I first heard of the Stick (92-93) I have been waiting to see someone play one with something similar to Holdsworth or Helmerich chops... this is finally getting there (Trey Gunn plays Warr Guitar... a theoretical offshoot of the Chapman Stick). All of the stick and Warr players I've seen and heard, up to this point, either play the traditional way, which usually entails comping a progression and soloing with the other hand... USUALLY at the expense of one another. I have heard of some amazing players who can play some mean Coltrane and all kinds of nutty stuff, but I haven't seen it. Trey Gunn will IMMEDIATELY appeal to ANY DT fan who likes instrumental music. I don't think his CDs do... the new one is really good, but still lacks the dynamic of what he can do live. If you have the opportunity to see him on this tour, GO AND SEE HIM! It's probably cheap, too... in Chicago it was like $15. Great melodies, and beautiful songs, with plenty of balls behind them, on an instrument you've probably never seen played up close... you can't NOT go! - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:14:37 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Spinal Tap Message-ID: What is the title of the movie please? I only saw a clip and it was hillarious (the part he explain to the customer about the amplifier volume switch up to 11" LOLOLOL > From: Sum WhiteGuy > > "mmmmmmm.......two Warr Guitars" Say it with Homer Simpson voice, silly! :))) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:48:39 -0700 From: "Rob Pociluk" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re: Kevin's solo material Message-ID: Yet all that was mentioned was still metal. In any case, there is more = to music than progmetal as you have mentioned. I am more into standard prog BUT do e= njoy your standard metal...jazz, pop rock, etc. As for Kev's solo stuff, it's getting dull. The new CD is background m= usic and nothing more. I think Dead Air For Radios had some good tracks, most of which I had alr= eady owned in demo form. It's not the style that's the problem, it's the songs. They jus= t aren't that interesting. Rob ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kevin's solo material ---- Original Message ----- ]From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" > Very interesting thread you have started Carlos... > To me (opinion =A0 =A0opinion) =A0I don't personally care for Kevin M= oore's solo > material. =A0It's very spacey and very 'mellow'... a far cry from wha= t he > played with DT for years. =A0 It isn't bad - I just don't care for it= > personally. =A0 I'm so glad that Kevin finished up Awake before depar= ting to > his softer solo style. Of course, i mean everythings a matter of personal taste. I for one enj= oy Kev's new stuff =A0A LOT. =A0Different strokes for different folks, as = with everything in life (almost). Although well I have to admit im one of th= e few who even prefer Derek's style to jordan's. I hardly listen to "prog" anymore, basically just DT, Fates (which have gone in a very interestin= g direction themselves IMO) and Spocks Beard. =A0Im listening to a lot of= heavier stuff (Opeth, My Dying Bride, Meshuggah, In Flames, some black = metal etc.) and lighter stuff (Gathering, newer anathema/tiamat etc) I just feel ive grown out of the more "pompous" prog stylings like lots= of solos, neoclassical, operatic bla bla. While im not ready to "give up" = on the genre itself, mainly becaus i simply LOVE dt, =A0and because of fre= sh sounding stuff like what fates is doing and Spock's beard which is like= retro but fresh sounding :P . Ive said it before and ill say it again (ferris?) one of the most progressive and incredible albums ive heard i= n a LONG time has been Opeth's Still Life. No meandering solos, no operatic= vocals, just plain tight musicianship, great melodies, and just ...its overwhelming. ---- End Original Message ---- "...so I've got that going for me...which is nice."---Carl the assistan= t greenskeeper Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 03:11:09 -0600 From: Chris Elder To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610 Message-ID: on 9/15/00 9:49 AM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > I usually HATE those wishlists, but I must say this was one hell of an > imagination. And a very good idea damn it. :) >=20 > Many bands did some kind of coreograohy (sp?) for their gigs, so let's > hope DT gets more popular (=3Dmore budget for tours) and do this kind of > thing some day. :) LOL, agan it was AWESOME idea for a gig. I personally hope they don't get any bigger. This is like some elite club. I love listing to stuff no one else does, DT hits TRL the genre becomes hot then Symphony X, Nightwish, and Strato follow. No thanks. (Not that I don't want the band to make lots of money so they stick with it= ) > the DVD could be different dude...the DVD is ALWAYS different...Far SUPERIOR. After DVD, watching VHS is like going from CD to 8-track tapes. Not to mention the DVD includes: =80 Over One Hour of Extra Footage. =80 New Audio Commentary by Spinal Tap in Character =80 New Interview with Rob Reiner =80 Trailers and TV Spots =80 Music Videos =80 Rare TV Appearances =80 Widescreen anamorphic format DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD= ! -chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:19:29 +0300 From: Nicholas Sakkos To: ytsejam Subject: Theatre Of Tragedy Message-ID: <39C34930.875E4987@x-treme.gr> Has anyone got any info on the new album? I've heard some rumors that they've changed their music style quite drastically. Thanks in advance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:08:06 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Theatre Of Tragedy Message-ID: Nicholas Sakkos wrote: > Has anyone got any info on the new album? > I've heard some rumors that they've changed their > music style quite drastically. > Thanks in advance its true... www.theatreoftragedy.com -- Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It´s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5611 **************************