YTSEJAM Digest 5605 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Crack the Sky by email_address_removed (Steve Chew) 2) Boy Bands/Lip Syncing by "John DiBella" 3) by email_address_removed 4) Re: Crack The Sky? by Brooks Edman 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604 by Brooks Edman 6) RE: MTV VMAs by "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604 by Andrew Coutermarsh 8) DT gigs/ improv / limitations by CyberDuke 9) Re: MTV VMAs by email_address_removed 10) me pulls out YTSEJAM THE FLAME THROWER.. by Kurt M Hampton 11) Re: MTV VMAs by Andrew Coutermarsh 12) Re: MTV VMAs by WB Henderson 13) Re: MTV VMAs by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 14) DT interview at knac.com by cheryl 15) Re: St. Louis radio by "Dale R. Newberry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Crack the Sky Message-ID: > >Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:36:52 -0400 >From: "Dave Neff" > >A friend of mine gave me a tape of a band called >"Crack The Sky" and I think they sound almost exactly >like Echolyn. Way good stuff! Anybody know about them? > Crack the Sky is one of my favorite bands. They are from the western Pennsylvania area and eventually made Baltimore, Maryland their home. They have done a few "reunion" concerts in Baltimore over the past few years, but I don't think they plan to make any new albums. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! Their first albums are from the late 70's and early 80's. They have a kind of quirky, but enjoyable style and have some prog tendencies in the vein of Rush and Queen (though not really like either one). Their lyrics are often fairly amusing (which is what makes me think of Queen). They just make cool, fun songs, with interesting music (good use of dynamics and great melodies). In the early 90's they came out with a 'comeback' album called "From the Greenhouse". The title track got some airplay in Pittsburgh and maybe a few other places. That album is more Pink Floyd influenced. If you want to try other albums, I'd recommend their first album, which is just called "Crack the Sky". I also like "Safety in Numbers" which was the first album I heard of theirs. Animal Notes and White Music are also pretty good. I wouldn't recommend any of the albums after Safety in Numbers, execpt for "From the Greenhouse" unless you already have the others. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:54:07 -0400 From: "John DiBella" To: Subject: Boy Bands/Lip Syncing Message-ID: <000801c01b26$352fb4c0$0300bf18@ftp-server> Andrew, I used to work for Denny Dunaway, the original bass player for Alice Cooper. When New Kids On The Block were "the thing" he was forced to take his 2 daughters to one of their concerts. He actually RAVED about their back-up band, and said that for what they do, they do it really well. Apparently there's more talent there than meets the eye, but I STILL wouldn't pay for it... John D. >From: Andrew Coutermarsh > >So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first >time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in, >they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell? > >Well, I have three reasons to believe that they're actually singing. The >first is that I am a singer and I can tell when somebody is actually >singing what is shown in the television set. The second is that the >mixing job is rough; in other words, somebody is actually trying to mix >their voices together as it's going (as opposed to Britney Spears who was >most definitely lip syncing - her voice sounded too perfect like it had >been recorded not only with a condenser mic but had been through >compressors and eqs already). The third is that they had live musicians >(and we all know how hard it is to sync live music up to prerecorded >voices). > >This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the >more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to >impress me. > >I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :) ------------------------------ From: email_address_removed To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: Researched, Legitimate... Work-At-Home Jobs and Opportunities! ** HOMEWORKERS NEEDED ** Choose from hundreds of EASY JOBS and other opportunities that are now available! Over 200 legitimate companies NOW HIRING! 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Message-ID: > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:36:52 -0400 > From: "Dave Neff" > To: > Subject: Crack The Sky? > Message-ID: <000401c01a63$1f7946a0$a2dbfea9@oemcomputer> > > A friend of mine gave me a tape of a band called > "Crack The Sky" and I think they sound almost exactly > like Echolyn. Way good stuff! Anybody know about them? > > ------------------------------ Hell yeah. Crack the sky is from good old Baltimore (my hometown). They are great and I actually played a show with them once. It was a benefit show for some group called A.L.P.H.A (active locals preventing heroin addiction). It was cool and I talked with the gutarist for hours back stage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:20:09 -0400 From: Brooks Edman To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604 Message-ID: > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:34:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Coutermarsh > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: MTV VMAs > Message-ID: > > So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first > time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in, > they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell? > > Well, I have three reasons to believe that they're actually singing. The > first is that I am a singer and I can tell when somebody is actually > singing what is shown in the television set. The second is that the > mixing job is rough; in other words, somebody is actually trying to mix > their voices together as it's going (as opposed to Britney Spears who was > most definitely lip syncing - her voice sounded too perfect like it had > been recorded not only with a condenser mic but had been through > compressors and eqs already). The third is that they had live musicians > (and we all know how hard it is to sync live music up to prerecorded > voices). > > This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the > more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to > impress me. > > I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :) > > ------------------------------------------------- > Ah yes. We discussed this on friday in my Music Recording Technology Class. N'stink > was actually singing BUT they had a little technology on their side. It is called auto > tune. A little box that can correct pitch on the spot. So the boys were singing but had > some help! Also it is not very hard to sync a live band to a loop. They probably all > had in ear monitors and they could hear the click track through them (this was very > noticable in christina aguleras performance when that guy from limp butthead came up > and the drummer totally stopped playing) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:19:58 -0400 From: "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" To: Subject: RE: MTV VMAs Message-ID: >This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the >more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to >impress me. >I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :) Actually Andrew I agree with you. Despite what anybody thinks about N'Sync's music, it can't be disputed that they are hard working musicians doing what they love. And that, at the very least, must be respected. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:50:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604 Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Brooks Edman wrote: > Ah yes. We discussed this on friday in my Music Recording Technology > Class. N'stink was actually singing BUT they had a little technology > on their side. It is called auto tune. A little box that can correct > pitch on the spot. So the boys were singing but had some help! Also it > is not very hard to sync a live band to a loop. They probably all had > in ear monitors and they could hear the click track through them (this > was very noticable in christina aguleras performance when that guy > from limp butthead came up and the drummer totally stopped playing) Okay, here's the thing though: They were singing out of tune at points. So explain that with the autotune. Yes, I know they use that plugin in the studio and probably live sometimes, too, but there were definitely moments when their chords were off. I've seen that plugin at work and I know how it works as well (I've also had experience recording and using things like that - it's actually a handy plugin :), but I also have perfect pitch and trust me, I know when a chord is off. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:17:54 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT gigs/ improv / limitations Message-ID: > From: "email_address_removed.au" > Subject: keyboards > > I would say most likely Dream Theater doesn't change their setlist > because they can't remember that many songs. DT have a reputation > of being extraordinarily precise when performing OK, but what about improvisations? I think it's possible once in a while getting free and just try out some jams ... I was wondering, that Petrucci solo on Live in Tokyo, during TLF. That is by all means the best Petrucci solo act, IMO. Now, it seems like he is improvising, or you think he had prepared bits 'n pieces of it before? Occasionaly when Myung and Mike jump in with rhythmic background for what Petrucci is playing at the moment, at times it seems to good to be all improvisation. Like Myung is holding one note line and then changes into 2 notes bass background while the same time Mike starts little different drum pattern. I dunno, can please someone say something if he knows? I love that whole part, it's awesome. That's why personally I HATED the OIALT guitar solo, we didn't need yet anoter show-off, at least as far as I am concerned. Oh well, ... I'm just wondering why they don't do it, and I can't believe such a musicians are not capable of improvisations. Maybe the thing is - DT stick TOO MUCH to the prog genre and that style. Maybe they don't even think in that direction, having improvisations ... I dunno ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:18:17 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MTV VMAs Message-ID: >< So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in, they're not lip syncing. This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to impress me. >< Why would you be impressed that they're not lip syncing? Is it really become so bad that because Britney Spears and countless other kiddie pop groups have lip-synced, we just expect everyone to lip sync? And when they actaully sing their songs live, like every other band in existence does, it's impressive? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:46:46 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: me pulls out YTSEJAM THE FLAME THROWER.. Message-ID: Andrew-Nsync are bad. BSB kick there ass anyday. The difference is BSB actually have decent voices, they just sing crap. That last song from their last album, (slow they are all moping around) I don't know the name. Anyway when the guy with the pony tail gets off the bus in the video, he goes up and down the scale quite nicely. Nsync should go bye bye bye Jessica Simpson makes all the other blondes look REALLY bad. Have you ever seen her? WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWW. Kurt NP-DT Hollow Years "Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MTV VMAs Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 email_address_removed wrote: > >< So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the > first time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! > As in, they're not lip syncing. This really impresses me. As > much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the more I've seen of them the > more I appreciate them. They continue to impress me. >< > > Why would you be impressed that they're not lip syncing? Is it really > become so bad that because Britney Spears and countless other kiddie > pop groups have lip-synced, we just expect everyone to lip sync? And > when they actaully sing their songs live, like every other band in > existence does, it's impressive? Well, I didn't really mean that they impress me because they weren't lip synching. What I meant was that they sounded GOOD and they weren't lip synching, and THAT impresses me. As I said, they continue to amaze me because the harmonies they use (regardless of whether or not they use AutoTune, which I'm sure they do) and the way they perform is great. The more I've listened to the boy band/pop music of today, the more I like it. Hey, it's not rocket science music like DT's, but it's music nonetheless - and as I've said continually in the past, pop music is there for one purpose and one purpose only (if you discount the whole money thing): to have FUN. And hell, if I'm going to a dance club or a party, I don't WANT to hear Dream Theater, I want to hear pop music. It's easy to dance to, it's fun, happy, and it goes great in the background. What more could you ask for when you're in the mood to dance and drink? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President." - Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:59:20 -0700 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MTV VMAs Message-ID: >N'Sync is actually performing live! As in, >they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell? Not to dispute that, but I saw a minute or two of them on "The Today Show", and they were clearly lip synching. They were out in the middle of the street with pre-recorded backing instruments. It shouldn't be a surprise, though, that N'Sync *can* actually sing under different circumstances. The lot of them were selected from hundreds of applicants to be 'the next big thing', and singing ability was no doubt one of the requirements for selection. (And, of course, that, in terms of musical legitimacy, nullifies any talent the dudes may genuinely have!) Plus, considering the amount of money the suits have invested in the group, I'm sure they've bought their golden boys-of-the-month a singing lesson or three. What's with rerunning awards shows anyhow? FOX played those damn Teen (Clone) Choice Awards for about the fifteenth time last week. Aren't these supposed to be one-shot deals? Next thing you know, the they'll be showing "Nightline" repeats after Saturday morning cartoons. Changing the subject: To those that haven't heard, King Crimson is going on tour relatively soon. Check out elephant-talk.com for tourdates. Brian [NP...Arena -- Immortal?] ============================================== WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:22:57 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MTV VMAs Message-ID: Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > Well, I didn't really mean that they impress me because they weren't lip > synching. What I meant was that they sounded GOOD and they weren't lip > synching, and THAT impresses me. As I said, they continue to amaze me > because the harmonies they use (regardless of whether or not they use > AutoTune, which I'm sure they do) and the way they perform is great. The > more I've listened to the boy band/pop music of today, the more I like > it. Hey, it's not rocket science music like DT's, but it's music > nonetheless - and as I've said continually in the past, pop music is there > for one purpose and one purpose only (if you discount the whole money > thing): to have FUN. And hell, if I'm going to a dance club or a party, I > don't WANT to hear Dream Theater, I want to hear pop music. It's easy to > dance to, it's fun, happy, and it goes great in the background. What more > could you ask for when you're in the mood to dance and drink? > > Good! For once it's good to see someone on this list who can appreciate other types of music (im talking about pop/dance/techno/electronic) other than prog rock. Yes , prog is awesome, so is jazz and some metal, but different music serve different purposes. While i think boy bands suck, i do have to give them credit for singing live. Why? you may ask, because like it or not, theyre singing , harmonizing while doing some crazy dances for shits sake! In that sense i believe theyre more "entertainers", because theyre singers and dancers not musicians. Sure, DT are virtuoso players, but they hardly even sing while playing their instruments, IMO doing choreographed dances while singing is just as hard or even harder (at least phisically to maintain pitch and be harmonious). It sort of brings me back to a few jams ago, when people were talking about how this club had a dress code, and some of you were bitching about it and talking about the "beautiful people club" or something to that effect.. SHEESH... some of you *need* to enjoy other aspects of life. While its true that a lot of people who are into the club scene are shallow, image minded people, i found it very disturbing seeing people criticizing others just because they enjoy dressing up and going to a club. And you wonder why people think prog and prog listeners suck. Some of you need to lay off the D&D for one weekend and enjoy a night of dancing and drinking with good friends.. :Disclaimer: The preceding was just my (inflamatory) opinion. Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:16 -0700 From: cheryl To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT interview at knac.com Message-ID: Forgive me if this has already been mentioned (I've been on Maui for a week and deftly deleted all my emails when I got home due to laziness). But this is pretty damn kewl... http://www.knac.com/Feat_Page?featureID=6039 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:56:06 -0500 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: St. Louis radio Message-ID: Damn, it's been a little while since I've posted. Oh well, it's good to be back in the St. Louis area. Radio here has gotten much better the past year or so. In fact, I just heard tonight on 97.1 FM (www.97.fm) (the show Metal Shop that's on Sunday nights from 10- 12) none other than Metropolis Pt. 1. I was thnking of calling in and requesting it, but looks like either the DJ or some other listener beat me to it :). Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5605 **************************