YTSEJAM Digest 5538 Today's Topics: 1) Re: selling out? by email_address_removed 2) Re: Megadeth by email_address_removed 3) Re: Mustaine/Metallica by email_address_removed 4) Want to trade for Yngwie's Concerto Suite And DT Tribute discs by email_address_removed 5) Re:selling out by email_address_removed 6) RE: Megadeth/Metallica/DT??? by Ibanez Dan 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 by Scott Hansen 8) FUCK YOU, DIE... by "Aris" 9) King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists by email_address_removed 10) Re: King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists by Brian Hayden 11) Re: All this selling out talk.... by Angelo Lombardi 12) D-man's sensible Metallica sell-out story (but not really) by email_address_removed 13) Re: FUCK YOU, DIE... by "TheCowGod" 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 by email_address_removed 15) RE: King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists by "Tim Detman" 16) Dream Theater In Roma by "Ricardo Testa" 17) Summer Sanitarium by "Chris Elder" 18) Re: All this selling out talk.... by email_address_removed 19) Re: home stereo help by "Rachel Goldenberg" 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 by email_address_removed 21) Re: popularity (NDTC) by email_address_removed 22) Re: Yankees-Mets (was: popularity (NDTC)) by Adam Perkowsky 23) Re: fake Yankees & Lakers fans by "Wes Foll" 24) Re: fake Yankees & Lakers fans by "Korg Ecksthrey" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:08:00 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: selling out? Message-ID: Magnus12551 wrote: << However, DT did not CHOOSE to sell out. They were under mondo label pressure... and glad things worked out the way they did :) >> There's ALWAYS a choice. And for the record, I enjoy FII but love SFAM sooooo much. -mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:17:50 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Megadeth Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/00 4:51:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << > Funny thing is that I remember hearing that Megadeth plays nothing from their > first four albums in concert. Probably one of the big reasons I don't bother > going to Megadeth shows. Brian Hayden: >Well, right here you completely discredit your entire post. You're going on > what people have told you, and what people have told you is wrong. They > actually played very little CW/Risk material on either of those tours. They > were doing The Mechanix, Peace Sells, Wake Up Dead, Hangar 18, Holy Wars, > etc, etc, and lots of Countdown material. >> Well, when I saw them in November, they did 4 songs from Cryptic Writings (Trust, Almost Honest, Use the Man, and She-Wolf), 3 songs from Risk (Crush Em, Prince of Darkness, and Breadline), Hangar 18, Holy Wars, Peace Sells, Anarchy in the UK, The Mechanix, Symphony of Destruction, Sweating Bullets, and A Tout Le Monde. And maybe 1 or 2 other old ones. So it was good mix of the newer and the older stuff. -mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:26:12 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mustaine/Metallica Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/00 4:51:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << >> This is true. Mustaine saw how popular Metallica became and tried to emulate >> it Of course, this is only fair since Metallica spent their first four >> albums recycling material Mustaine wrote in 1980. > > Not really. Mustaine didn't contribute on THAT many songs, even on Kill 'em > All. And the ones you could give him the most credit for aren't the ones that > set the direction for future Metallica songs anyway. Brian Hayden: >Um, he is credited on 4/9 on Kill 'em All, and those are just the ones where >they gave him credit. I'm sure he contributed to the rest as well in some >way. It's well known that most of the solos on that album were copied by >Hammet note for note from Mustaine (and later Hetfield and Ulrich wrote his >solos for him...tells you a lot about how much creativity that lamoid has in >him...like we didn't already know that after three albums full of pentatonic >wah piddling bullshit). >> Well, I don't how you can say then that Metallica just recycled material Mustaine wrote in 1980 when he wrote on less than 50% of the stuff on Kill em All. And Hetfield has always been the main riff guy for them, so I don't see where that comes from at all. -mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:32:18 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Want to trade for Yngwie's Concerto Suite And DT Tribute discs Message-ID: Hey gang.... I would like a copy of Yngwie's Concerto Suite for electric guitar as well as the Dream Theater tribute album "voices"..... I have a fair amount of prog to offer in trade..... Let me know via e-mail if you can help.... Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:48:59 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:selling out Message-ID: Digital Man wrote: << I don't think that's it. First, an example that has nothing to do with Megadeth or Metallica. >> >My favorite band in the world is Rush. Now, were I a teenager in >1974, maybe I'd have a different take on this thing, since I would >have experienced it first hand. Alas, I was only 2 when "Rush" came >out, so a lot of this analysis is in hindsight. Anyway, "The Rush >Sound" has changed gradually from each album to the next. Gently >enough that you can tell it's the same three guys playing and writing >(the first album notwithstanding), but strongly enough that you can >notice, "Hey, these guys have gone out on a limb." One can make the >case that Hemi-PeW, MP-to-Signals or Signals-to-P/G is a drastic change >(and I'll argue), but you can at least tell it's the same band. >Then there's Metallica. Metal, metal, metal, metal, pop. Pop? They changed their style a lot for sure, but they certainly didn't go pop. And tI can wee what you're saying in your Rush example and I think the problem was that Metallica had a 5 year gap wetween the black album and Load, so that it just kind of happened at once. It they have an album or 2 in between then it would have been a much more gradual thing. >You tell me >that's not going to piss off your legions of >die-hard-I'd-jump-in-front-of-traffic-for-you fans. Add to that their >whole rejection of anything "pop", followed by their video for "One" >on MTV. Now, I'm not arguing here whether they've sold out or not, or >even whether any of their music is good or not. But try to see things >the way their hardcore fans see them, and you might understand why >everyone's so pissed. It's not about changing what you play. Rush >did it, and I'm happy about it. It's about album #4 being the >heaviest, most technical thing you've done, and starting out album #5 >with Sandman. It's shocking to the system. That's what people have a >hard time with. I can understand this. But there are people who stopped listening to them but will still listen to other bands that are far more popish and commercial, yet will be mnad at Metallica for construing them to sell out. It just makes me think that if those album came out under the name of a different band, then those people would have liked them. >That, and the fact that Metallica sold out. (Oh, sorry.) Well, here's my thing. They just came off of the black album (which sold an unbeliavble amount of copies. I think as of 95 it had sold 8 or 9 million (it's up to 12 now). Wouldn't the obvious sell-out move to be to make another album which had the same exact sound? It doesn't make sense to me that they would sell out by going on a different direction than from an album that not only was their most successful, but one of THE most successful albums ever. I would think that it be selling out more if they had played it safe and tried to do the same thing. Well, that being, James said that their next album will be a heavy, heavy one, and I really hope so. It would be nice to hear something realy heavy from them again. >> I agree that both bands have passed their peaks and have "watered >> down" their sound a bit but I still enjoy them. And another thing I >> don't understand is all the bitterness. >I don't know how old you are, Mike, but when Justice came out, I was a >16 year old pain in the ass who couldn't let a day go by without >arguing with my parents. I'd stomp up the stairs, slam the door, and >crank the shit out of whatever Metallica album was handy. Then the >Black Album came out. Believe me, if there's one thing I understand, >it's the bitterness. haha, good point. And for the record, I'm 25. :) >It sucks having standards. Any single female Mets fans on this list? >:) You'll have better luck than me. I'm a Phillies fan! -mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ibanez Dan To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Megadeth/Metallica/DT??? Message-ID: Thank god someone hit it dead on about Kirk Hammett. I used to think his playing was alright, but the more I listen, the more it blows. He attempts to orchestrate his solos like Satriani, but fails miserably. Even his shred on the early albums isn't good, because it is true, on Kill Em All, Mustaine did write most-all the solos on it. I wish that Metallica would just fuck themselves with their new music. It's not about selling out, or cutting hair. It's just that the music doesn't have the grit and feel like the old Metallica did. And with this whole FII bullshit, who the hell cares?? That is a very solid album, with great songs, like Lines In the Sand, Just Let Me Breathe. The only real sellout song on that album is Hollow Years. Even so, would you call Through Her Eyes a sellout song?? If the music doesn't change, or does change for the better, it's all good. Ibanez Dan ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:01:38 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 Message-ID: El Mariachi wrote: on 7/8/00 1:56 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote: > The argument dates as far back as "Ride the Lightning" when they wrote "Fade > to Black" and "Escape" (the latter was admittidley an attempt by the band to > write something radio-friendly, which consequently fell flat on its face). > But things really heated up with the black album, since it was the most > drastic change in style from one album to the next. It's all bullshit anyway. > So their music has evolved and matured...personally I would've been much more > diappointed with them if they'd churned out the same Ride the Lightning/Master > of Puppets/Justice formula over and over again (which they already did 3 times > in a row at that time). I think the key more than anything else is that Metallica went from a band who developed into a band playing very technical *and* heavy music to a band who stripped down their playing and now resort to playing much simpler stuff. I will admit that they have continued to play some heavy stuff on Load and reload, but I think the issue is that they seem to have gotten lazy - not wanting to push themselves as musicians to become more technically proficient on their instruments. To a lot of old-school fans, that seems like "selling-out". Granted, Metallica's reasoning behind changing to a simpler style is because they "weren't enjoying playing anymore," which is fine - it's their choice. But it's my (and many other's choice) to not waste our hard earned cash on newer material which we feel is rather mediocre compared to their previous albums. D-Man mentioned about Rush - I too enjoy all their albums - I don't need to hear nothing but 20 minute long epics - I'll listen to their newer stuff (in fact, my personal 2 faves are Power Windows and Counterparts) but I like it because they continually try to push themselves as musicians - getting better at their craft. Metallica on the other hand, doesn't appear to do so anymore. :( Lastly, I think a lot of people don't like Bob Rock's involvement with Metallica - I don't. Aside from whatever recommendations/suggestions he's made to the arrangements (which I don't imagine are for the better), I don't like the mix of the stuff he's done. Yes, you can hear the bass, but aside from that, no. Admittedly, AJFA is very flat sounding (would love to hear that album remixed properly) and the bass is pretty much inaudible. My personal favorite album (not just because of the songs, but also because of the mix) is Master of Puppets. MoP is how a Metallica should sound. > Funny thing is that I remember hearing that Megadeth plays nothing from their > first four albums in concert. Probably one of the big reasons I don't bother > going to Megadeth shows. As Brian Hayden mentioned already - that's totally untrue. The one time I saw them (on the CW tour) they played Peace Sells..., Wake Up Dead, Anarchy in the UK, In My Darkest Hour and several from RIP (tho I don't recall any from Killing is My Business...). The *only* thing that i will give Metallica in the live setting is that they are willing to play nice long shows. From what I've heard and from the show I saw, Megadeth plays short shows (100mins or less) which is a major disappointment. Other than that, IMO Megadeth is a much better band these days. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 05:32:06 +0700 From: "Aris" To: "ytsejam" Subject: FUCK YOU, DIE... Message-ID: <006f01bfe930$ff09d640$b5f692ca@jokobaso> FUCK YOU, DIE! FUCK YOU, DIE! FUCK YOU, DIE! FUCK YOU, DIE! heheh gotcha, i'm not that George guy... but hey, Skadz's on vacation, so you guys can write about anything, 'tallica crap, kevin VS derek VS jordan, DT sold out, james sucks, or even write in MIME stuff... and you won't be kicked from the mighty ytsejam ;-) btw, on a little DT content. I got this tape, ACOS from Dance of Eternity boot, a friend gave me. Then yesterday, another friend dropped by, and hear it and he want a copy of it. So i made him a copy. Because he was in a rush, so i push that "high speed dubbing" button on my player. and whoalaaaaa.... there's a chipmunk singing ACOS for almost 20 minutes!!!! errrr not really 20 minutes though... but i really love when the cipmunk sing the 'dont go, don't gooowoooo...!' part... wooohoooo that's kick ass! and theres a little bonus too, the chipmunk drummer plays so damn fast, it could made Mike jealous me think =) And i've listened Awake on a walkman with low battery too, whoaa, that's awesome. and oh, on the TV subject... anyone of you guys love "family stuff" series like Growing Pains, Huxtable, etc... but, yeah, Balki kick ass!! hmmm gotta back to lurk mode, as balki will put it: "don't be ridiculous..." David Hasselhoff - errrr maybe not... just that indonesian ytsejammer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:34:02 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists Message-ID: Hey, does anyone here know the reason that osme King's X shows are 18 and over? i wanted to go the one at the House of Blues in Chicago, but i'm only 16. King's X is one of my favorite bands, and they're kinda getting older and i don't know how i'm gonna get to see em if they keep playing 18 and over shows. One other thing i wanna know if other people have a problem with it too. I don't get why Dream theater makes some of the sets that it does. WAY too often are the sets similar from night to night. Also, they never play whole songs anymore, just medleys. Granted, seeing the whole Scenes live was great, but now that it's been done once, i really don't want them to come around and do it again, at least without medleys at the end. Does anyone else agree? does dream thaeter realize this?? oh well, i'll go anyway to see spock's beard, but i really wish Dream Theater would add a little element of surprise to their shows. TonyC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:56:32 -0500 From: Brian Hayden To: Subject: Re: King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists Message-ID: Yeah, they should be more like Bruce Springsteen, change it up every night. -Brian > does dream thaeter realize this?? oh well, i'll go anyway to see spock's > beard, but i really wish Dream Theater would add a little element of surprise > to their shows. > > TonyC > -- "You wanna antagonize me? Antagonize me, motherfucker! Get in the ring, motherfucker!" - W. Axl Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:03:07 -0700 From: Angelo Lombardi To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: All this selling out talk.... Message-ID: > Queensryche- I enjoy ALL there albums, Chris or no Chris. TO ME, ALL > Queensryche is awesome. I agree... COMPLETELY! I LOVE Queensryche! The old, the new, and all of the stuff in between. With or without Chris, it's still great! > Megadeth-Great badn, put out a bad hard rock album, but with Dave back > in control now, (RISK was MArty's baby, he wrote 75% of the music I > believe) they are gonna become speed demons again. I thinking a mix of CW > and Countdown stuff. Ive heard an mp3 of some new song (Not return to > hangar 18) and it kicks ass. I never got into Megadeth before Marty joined. I've been a Marty Friedman fan years before his Megadeth days. BUT... since he joined Megadeth, I love them (even "Risk", even though it's my least favorite). Hopefully the new guitarist (whatever his name is, again) would fit right in. > Metallica-fuk those assholes. I used to get into Load and Reload a bit, I > can't anymore. It grew old REALLY fast. Metallica I think needs to call > it quits. Personally... I lost ALL interest in Metallica when Jason Newsted joined them. He just didn't fit in (IMO). I believe that Cliff Burton kept them heavy & raw with their music. Take a note: Metallica NEVER played "radio songs" or did videos BEFORE Cliff died. I think that "...And Justice For All" was their "sell out" CD. It's just me opinion. Angelo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:13:01 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: D-man's sensible Metallica sell-out story (but not really) Message-ID: Well, Mr. Merlo is to be commended (passive voice is loved by me) for his explanation of the "jump-into-traffic" reaction we old Metallica fans had when the Black album (and subsequent releases) came out, but I would argue that the true kill-yourself-oh-my-God-the-fuck-are-you-doing award goes not to Metallica for the Justice to Black progression (and I use the term loosely) but to Celtic Frost's Into the Pandemonium (a cd at least ten years ahead of its time for the incorporation of death thrash with melody and orchestration -- without Frost there would be no Opeth, there would be no Therion) to Cold Lake move. Cold Lake, I tell you!!! That has to be the single worst album metal has ever seen. Imagine Lemmy from Motorhead putting out a glam cd. Imagine Iced Earth covering the Backstreet Boys faithfully. Keep going. And Frost was a band who couldn't afford to lose the fans, because unlike Metallica's run-for-the-money, Frost's failed miserable, and after another studio album, they ended up breaking up. This message is written. NP: Yngwie Malmsteen - Facing the Animal (gets an extra ten points just for Cozy Powell's drumming) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:27:20 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: FUCK YOU, DIE... Message-ID: <010501bfe944$ebe2f1f0$cf272ac4@mukau> ]From: "Aris" Subject: FUCK YOU, DIE... > crap, kevin VS derek VS jordan, DT sold out, james sucks, or even write in > MIME stuff... and you won't be kicked from the mighty ytsejam ;-) actually didnt he set it up so it automatically kicks you off if you post in mime? hehe so that wouldnt work but yeah, i think jordan is better than derek, derek was gay and we all know that homosexuality is a sin, it says so in the bible, praise God. yeah, homosexuality is almost as bad as selling out, you know, like metallica did. :) moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:46:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/00 3:51:51 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << JJ walker wrote: >> Dyno-MIGHT! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:19:33 -0400 From: "Tim Detman" To: Subject: RE: King's X 18 and over shows, and Dt's Setlists Message-ID: i thought the whole scenes thing was great. it was totally different than any other concert i have been to before. more of a theatrical basis. i saw it twice. and i'm ready to see it again. but i do have to agree that an element of surprise would add a great deal to the set. at least switch up the medley. or maybe play whole songs. they have so many good songs to choose from. the thing i'm not too keen about is seeing them inside again at the electric factory in philly. that place is an acoustic shithole. plus indoor concerts in the middle of the summer bug me. its time to take it outside. -tim > does dream thaeter realize this?? oh well, i'll go anyway to see spock's > beard, but i really wish Dream Theater would add a little element > of surprise > to their shows. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 07:52:38 CEST From: "Ricardo Testa" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater In Roma Message-ID: >16 July Rome, Italy >Dream Theater headlining shows >Opening Act: Quango (Carl Palmer & John Wetton Is anyone on this list going to this show? If so, maybe we can meet and "hang out". I'm going to be there with my wife. Anyone? Ciao, Ricardo Testa ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:53:19 -0400 From: "Chris Elder" To: Subject: Summer Sanitarium Message-ID: <000f01bfe972$5ee56a20$012f56d1@chriseld> Speaking of Metallica, I must say I just got back from the COOLEST show of the year, maybe coolest for a long while. The Summer Sanitarium at the new Kentucky Speedway show was extremely fun. I know some people have problems with some of these bands and their musical styles but when you are there live 20 feet from the stage it is another story. This was a landmark show, you will all see coverage on Mtv tomorrow(pretty sure anyway.) For all those out there that think Metallica is out to alienate their fans with the whole Napster thing, here's proof that they are all about the fans. James Hetfeild couldn't make the show. He was in traction in Atlanta, from a skiing accident from Fri. night or something like that. So instead of cancelling the show Lars, Kirk and Jason went on anyway pulling together a HUGE jam session with all the other bands. Quick review first: A System of a Down: they definately have their own thing going, kinda cool. Definately MOSH music. Powerman5000: Other than the jam session, these guys topped the day. Excellent performers, they knew how to work the crowd. Kid Rock: A huge disappointment, especially after 2 heavy metal bands back to back, PM5000 totally getting the crowd going, then Kid Rock shows up and does a buch of slow shit. Didn't get the crowd going until the LAST song(American Badass). Didn't even do "Bullgod." Definate letdown. KoRn: Ummm, KoRn sucks, I had no desire to see them. I left the infield for an hour and a half walk to the bleechers(join some friends). Upon which a drunk guy(3 rows in front of us) fell over the railing.(landed on his back and cracked his head open, blood everywhere) We will find out tomorrow if he survived. He was breathing but not moving when they took him away. Sad. The BIG JAM: Well, this show WILL be a HUGE bootleg assuming someone taped it. Kirk, Lars and Jason started out with the guitarest from SOAD, and played some Metallica stuff. Jason took vocals. Not bad. But here is the rundown, I know some of you out there might want the boot should it arrive. not the exact order(all this is from memory) but they opened with: Creeping Death (vox: Jason Newstead) For Whom the Bell Tolls (vox: Jason Newstead) Master of Puppets (vox: Jason Newstead) Sanitarium (vox:SOAD) One (vox: Jonathan Davis a Korn song (Korn - drums: Lars) a Korn song (vox :Jason Newstead, drums: Faith No More's drummer) Sad but True/American Badass (Kid Rock) Nothing Else Matters: tribute to James Hetfield (vox: Kid Rock) Fortunate Son (vox: Kid Rock) couple more classic rock songs(Sweet Home Alabama? Can'r remember) (vox: Kid Rock) Turn the Page(vox: Kid Rock) Fuel (vox: Jason, turntable: Kid Rock)...yes, a turntable Seek and Destroy (vox: ? can't remember) Whiplash (vox: Jason Newstead) encore: Enter Sandman (vox: Kid Rock) all the songs featured someone from one of the bands, 4 guitarists at once, at one point. Kid Rock definately redeemed himself during the Metallica performace, he was more into it, and I would like to point out that they only did 2 songs post "Black" album! So Metallica could have easily cancelled, instead they threw somthing together that morning for the fans, AND they are going to have another concert at a later date, FREE, since Hetfield wasn't there. Sorry this is so long, I just wanted to share my experience. Chris ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 2000 01:24:23 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: All this selling out talk.... Message-ID: On Sat, 08 July 2000, Angelo Lombardi wrote: > Personally... I lost ALL interest in Metallica when Jason Newsted joined >them. He just didn't fit in (IMO). I believe that Cliff Burton kept >them heavy & raw with their music. Take a note: Metallica NEVER >played "radio songs" or did videos BEFORE Cliff died. I think >that "...And Justice For All" was their "sell out" CD. Umm...sure...except...well, no. You see, if it were up to Jason, they'd be playing balls-to-the-walls speed metal 99% of the time. He is probably the biggest head-banger in Metallica - he was raised on their old stuff and WORSHIPPED Cliff Burton. Jason comes into recording sessions with dozens of song ideas, and Hetfield and co. throw 99% of them out because he's "too progressive" or "too fast." Jason has ONLY ever contributed on THREE songs in Metallica's history (48 during his tenure, not counting "I Disappear" because I don't know about that one). How can you say that a guy who's input is so supressed can influence the band's direction so strongly? Also, you may want to remember that Cliff's biggest contributions were the slower, melodic harmony parts, like in the early instrumentals or the slow part of "Master of Puppets," etc. Yeah, he was a wild, creative force with Metallica, but it was also Cliff who taught Hetfield to grow musically, explore harmonies, etc., as a result of him being the only one schooled in music theory. So if you want to blame someone for their "demise," you're pointing the finger at the wrong bass player. You can speculate that they wouldn't sound like they do today if Cliff was still alive, but it's a FACT that Hetfield would never have branched out as much as he has without Cliff's influence, which is what eventually led Metallica to the style they play today. Like someone else said, if the black album, "Load," and "ReLoad" were recorded by some other band, we wouldn't be having this conversation anyway. And the funny thing is that we'd still be saying Metallica sucks if they'd kept recording the same 80's formula albums over and over, too. ______________________________________________________________________ Check out Metallica's Official Web Site at http://www.metallica.com For 200+ channel 24/7 commercial free music visit http://radio.www.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:05:15 -0400 From: "Rachel Goldenberg" To: Subject: Re: home stereo help Message-ID: <000701bfe9a6$53c7a8e0$1742adc7@wisha> Hey. www.etown.com is THE place to go for any consumer electronics. Profiles, reviews, articles and all sorts of things. That's all I have to say for now. -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:17:38 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5537 Message-ID: << ZAKK WYLDE two of the guitarist's axes were stolen last Friday at the show in Dallas, TX including his familiar trademark "Bullseye" guitar - there is a $1000 reward for whoever returns the guitars, if you have any information on their whereabouts contact: email_address_removed >> The trademark "Bullseye" guitar was also given to him by his mother before she died, so it holds more sentimental value than anything. The other guitar stolen was Gibson's replica of the same guitar. If you've seen any around your town, go to www.zakkwylde.com and look at the piece written on it, it has a picture of the guitar with the seriel number. Zakk's a big guy, and I'd be willing to put money on it that he'll kick the guys ass who stole em :-) Time for me to sleep... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:22:14 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: popularity (NDTC) Message-ID: In a message dated 07/08/2000 4:58:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << It was then that I realized that all these young, attractive chicks were probably Yankee fans because that's the fashionable thing to be a fan of in and around New York. No one has a gigantic Mets logo taking up the whole back window of their car, because no one is a Mets fan just so their friends'll think they're cool. But every Joey Iroc has a gigantic Yankees logo on the back window of his Camaro, or his Monte, or his Mustang. And the chicks go wild. "Oh, he clearly likes what most people like. I must have him." It sucks having standards. Any single female Mets fans on this list? :) >> Sorry D-Man, can't help ya there! :-) But it's nice to see a fellow die-hard Met fan for a change. I know exactly what you're saying about the Yanks/popularity thing... BELIEVE me. That's not to say there aren't die-hard lifer Yankee fans, but I gotta agree with you here... there do seem to be an abnormal number of "bandwagoners" around these parts (upstate NY) when it comes to the Yanks. Speaking of the Mets, I was at the first game of the double header yesterday. I'm still bristling over the 2 HUGELY lame-ass obstruction calls that both went against the Mets, and I can't believe that Clemens would be so bush as to bean Piazza in the night game just 'cause Piazza's owned him as of late. Anyway, that's about it for my rant. :-) Back to your regularly scheduled Jam... Laterz... Matt T. NP: Iced Earth "Alive In Athens" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Perkowsky To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Yankees-Mets (was: popularity (NDTC)) Message-ID: Hello everyone, --- email_address_removed wrote: > Speaking of the Mets, I > was at the first game of > the double header yesterday. I'm still bristling > over the 2 HUGELY lame-ass > obstruction calls that both went against the Mets, I was at the game too, and I can't believe Valentine got himself thrown out of the game so early. Sure, the wrong call was made, but in an important game as that one was, Valentine should have spoken his peace and left the field before being thrown out. > and I can't believe that > Clemens would be so bush as to bean Piazza in the > night game just 'cause > Piazza's owned him as of late I am tired of hearing Mets fans bitch about Piazza getting beaned. It is something that happens every day in baseball. Pitchers pitch inside. Most of the time batters get out of the way. If Piazza was able to duck and avoid being hit, nobody would be talking about that today. The reaction would have been "Wow, I can't believe that ball just missed his head!" but play would go on and that part of the game would have been forgotten rather quickly. But make no mistake about it, I don't condone brush back pitches at all. It's something that's gone on since baseball started and unless you can get into the mind of a pitcher, we will never know if any brushback pitch was intended to hit a batter. Minimal DT content: For those of you who missed it, the House of Blues website (www.hob.com) has archived the HOB Florida show in video in the Archive section. Take care, Adam Perkowsky ===== "It's such a fine line between stupid and... clever" -- David St. Hubbins & Derek Smalls, Spinal Tap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:30:19 PDT From: "Wes Foll" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fake Yankees & Lakers fans Message-ID: >It was then that I realized that all these young, attractive chicks >were probably Yankee fans because that's the fashionable thing to be a >fan of in and around New York. No one has a gigantic Mets logo taking >up the whole back window of their car, because no one is a Mets fan >just so their friends'll think they're cool. But every Joey Iroc has >a gigantic Yankees logo on the back window of his Camaro, or his >Monte, or his Mustang. And the chicks go wild. "Oh, he clearly likes >what most people like. I must have him." > The Digital Man This sounds just like the stupid image-driven people out here in Los Angeles. All of a sudden, everyone is a Lakers fan. But you wouldn't have known it from all the bitching and moaning going on after the few games the Lakers lost to the Pacers during the Finals. These "fans" were all losing faith in their team and saying how it would've been great if the Lakers were a good team and how the Lakers "just can't seem to get it together." Now that the Lakers have won, however, it's the fashionable thing to be into--not for the sport--but for the fact that everyone else likes it. Every day I agree more and more with the bumper sticker that reads, "Most People Suck." ------------------------------------------------------ Wesley Foll, Geology B.S., Loma Linda University email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed ICQ #4550740 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:22:17 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: fake Yankees & Lakers fans Message-ID: <001201bfe9e3$6ab4e030$6e0d84d0@korg> > This sounds just like the stupid image-driven people out here in Los > Angeles. All of a sudden, everyone is a Lakers fan. But you wouldn't Yeah. That kind of reminds of all the bandwagoners who were cheering on Kasparov throughout his chess tournament against Deep Blue, just because he was human like them. I mean, people should quit cheering on something that gives them any sort of local, national, or homospecial pride since it really is quite silly to support anything simply because you relate to it. -- KorgX3 notes that was sarcasm, btw. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5538 **************************