YTSEJAM Digest 5526 Today's Topics: 1) The Quest in Mpls by Alex Fraser 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 by Kurt M Hampton 3) Newbie Guitar Practice by Oddvar Lovaas 4) That article D-Man pointed us to by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 5) Cuban Musaak by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 by email_address_removed 7) Re: FFOHLESSAH digest 5525 by mikel 8) DT & Creed in Chicago by email_address_removed 9) It's a bird, it's a plane. by Dan Costello 10) Detroit and Chicago by "Andrew Goktepe" 11) Re: David Hasselhoff by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 by email_address_removed 13) Knight Rider, Porg by "Steven Zebrowski" 14) Napster Theater by "chahram riazi" 15) Napster Theater by "Paul Tadday" 16) 80's TV by email_address_removed 17) RE: Possession by "Herbert, Jason" 18) Beyond this life, Drums by David Cuthbert 19) Z-man; etc. by Paul Weiss 20) Re: Napster Theater by Brian Hayden 21) Re: Napster Theater by "Dan McCormack" 22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 by Jens Johansson 23) To All Canadian DT FANS by Steve Godbout 24) Megadeth/Anthrax in Phoenix tonight by David Dixon 25) RE: Megadeth/Anthrax in Phoenix tonight by David Dixon 26) Re: Napster Theater by WB Henderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:34:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Fraser To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Quest in Mpls Message-ID: The Quest is GA on the floor. There are a few tables upstairs, you need only arrive early enough to get one. The acoustics suck up there, but you can get an interesting overhead shot of the band that's playing... -The ever-present id ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:46:46 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 Message-ID: raise the knife raise the knife raise the knife..... Hahah I watched this on CNN. Its funny how they cover breaking news, if someone farts they have to have poeple comment on it in 10 different locations. "Elian has crapped in his pants. Lets send you first to Miami for reaction" MIAMI "reaction here is that the family thinks they could clean him up better than he could ever be cleaned in Cuba" lets go now to our washington bureau. WASHINGTON "uh...the government has yet to release a statement" we have on the phone our reporter in cuba" CUBA "Crowds are cheering, riots breaking out, Elian has done what every cuban has wanted him to do, which is crap on the USA" this is then proceeded by the silly questions on Talk back live. After that they schedule a pool of ANALysts to talk about it on Larry King I hate the media. Kurt god bless the USA "damn I need a new signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5456 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:56:11 +0200 From: Oddvar Lovaas To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Newbie Guitar Practice Message-ID: I'm looking for some tips for newbie guitar practice... I've had my guitar for some years now, but only played bits and pieces of something easy I've picked up. I've never really practiced to become better, and that's what I intend to start doing now. I have no dream (well, no serious dream at least) of becoming a shreddi or Mr.Bpm, only to start improving bit by bit. If anyone could direct me to a place on the net or give me any kind of advice, I'd be delighted... I have to put myself in the complete newbie category... My problem is basically that I have no idea where to start. Thank you:) < flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://www.oddvar.org/ - ICQ: 3253879 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:32:22 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: That article D-Man pointed us to Message-ID: <008e01bfe150$c33dbe20$036ffea9@madstation> Thanks a lot Mr. Merlo. That was a pretty interesting read. I have been going about things from a very different perspective of late, approaching playing on emotional terms, as well as sort of focusing my mind differently. I am not the Tony Gwynn of my instrument or genre, but I have learned some things from similar occurrences to those mentioned in the article. I'm not sure if anyone will find this interesting or find it of any use... but what the fuck. When I try and play something because my mind tells my "self" that "I have to be able to do this" I usually fail. Sometimes even simple things can become difficult if you focus on the need to do the task rather than on doing the task. When I come up with a concept of a lick or a rhythm, and just play it simply because "I can" then I can almost always whip out stuff that I could be proud of... for instance, I can whip off a Racer X or DiMeola lick after hearing it and getting immediately jazzed, because it's emotion and desire taking control and not my mind letting me know what's possible. I've done a lot of reading on this (I recommended a few books several months ago... those of you who have read them can probably see where I'm coming from) and it really seems that if one can work with one's intuition and confidence (in knowing that you HAVE prepared enough, or that you already have what it takes to do something new) then one can pretty much do anything. I made sight reading hard. Kids can do it in 4th grade, without any problems. I made it hard for myself by believing that it's very difficult. Of course, I read PRINT slowly, so I think I may have some disadvantage in the first place, but still, I understand all of the concepts... and then I make it into a struggle by telling myself "you're not going to be able to count that pattern right because of the rest in the middle!" How much of doing, musically or otherwise is knowledge based and how much is physical... and then how much is purely up to mindset/confidence? I love a lot of music, but most of the people I listen to are not geniuses... even though generally, they're at the top of their profession, and they exemplify the peak of technical ability, most of these dudes are just dudes who "do" shit rather than worrying about it. Food for thought. "If you had a neck and I had hands, I would squeeze your brain, which is your body, right out the top of your head, which does not exist!" - Carl, of Carl and Son, makers of Chambraign ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:32:43 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Cuban Musaak Message-ID: > > I hear Elian Gonzalez is currently taking a magic plane ride back to > Cuba. :) Doh! Not Elian again! There is a lot of great music where Elian is. Did any of you get into the whole Cuban music "trend"? Buena Vista Social Club, Afrom Cuban All Stars and that stuff? Good shit! Tibor (who is a law student with strong political views, but shows *restraint* not to go into an Elian, or XY law system debate) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:25:14 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 Message-ID: Scroll down. > Nah art rock is stupid. > That applies to every type of rock music that puts an emphasis on art (whatever >that is). Which probably cuts out dance and political orientated music, but leaves >in everything from Nirvana to Enya to Jimi Hendrix to Limp Biskit. > I like "art rock" more and more. It infers everything I wish people > to understand about my stuff, and leaves very little room for false > interpretation. How does "art rock" apply to any of those bands? That's a label that I've only ever heard being used in reference to classic 'prog' like Pink Floyd, King Crimson, etc. Actually, I could sort of see how Enya works... But the term art rock means rock as an art, not rock with an emphasis on art. For example, Tool is art rock, because it's weird music that's really abstract that those crazy artist types like. There. 90% of modern art is crap too, just like 90% of modern 'art rock'. :-) Z But seriously, art rock is used to describe bands that take their music very seriously, and make every album a statement... Read the interview with Trent Reznor in Guitar World from June (It has a JP interview too!), he puts it a lot better than I do. But basically, PF is art rock because every album of theirs was a statement, like Dark SIde of the Moon on insanity (And various other things), Wish You Were Here on bleakness and corporate bloodsucking, and the Wall on fame. I don't think you can find any legitimate reason to call either of Limp [Cock]'s albums a statement. Therefore, they are not art rock. (End of massive incoherent rant, yay, there's more!) > > I too hate labels of music. Progressive means > different things to different people. Look at > "alternative". How alternative is music thats on the > radio? Or "industrial", I never understood that. > When some friends of mine were talking about > industrial music, I thought it would sound like boiler > rooms and paper mills. I look forward to the day when > music is just music, not all these categories(yeah, > right). I dunno, seeing as how some industrial's dance music, it could be related to the Simpson's episode where Bart and Homer go to the gay steel mill. :-) And if you haven't seen it, don't comment on this, because you probably interpret it totally wrongly... ~RJM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:41:31 +1000 From: mikel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: FFOHLESSAH digest 5525 Message-ID: > > > Save money by buying something? Thats a new concept. > > Some of us can't afford a DVD player. I would say pretty much all of us > already > > have a VHS player. > > you are a silly person. he meant, "why not save up and get a DVD?" he then > proceeded to enumerate the reasons why it is worth saving up for. moo. Sorry my mistake. I know less about this stupid Hasselhoff Thread than those sound system ones. What the fuck is Knight (or is it night) Rider. And why do people know so much about David Hasselhoff. (Yes I know what baywatch is). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:04:53 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT & Creed in Chicago Message-ID: Hey, I was so excited to see that DT was coming back to Chicago. What is even better is that the Creed show is the nite before. That will be a great set of show back to back. See ya, Todd "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:34:54 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: It's a bird, it's a plane. Message-ID: > because only a progmetal band would have an album > cover featuring marble statues floating in space. haha! how true, how true... > (and oh the humanity when these plot lines merge, ever > see Hardcastle and McCormick?) NOW YOU'RE COOKIN' WITH GAS!!!! :-) > No thanks, my pants are already full. Try again in an hour. Next? Looks like my number's up! :-) > Considering that most of the teenage, "progressive" > music-listening, barbecue-eating bastards call it that already, > it would cause alot less confusion and make us sound that > much less pretentious. I like sounding pretentious. That way, people know that I'm better than they are. :-) -Dan. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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Buck Hamner NP: David Hasselhoff- All Night Rider ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:38:33 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5525 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/28/00 5:26:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << I hear Elian Gonzalez is currently taking a magic plane ride back to Cuba. :) Doh! Not Elian again! >> Yeah, it's a clear cut case. Kid come here with Mom. Mom die. Kid go back. Bye Kid. end of Story. >NP: Faith No More - Angel Dust Great album, Krog! Buck Hamner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:21:36 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" To: Subject: Knight Rider, Porg Message-ID: <000801bfe189$e6ba4740$0400010a@steve> > Hey, remember "Carr"??? He was the evil version of Kitt!!! > -mike C. Dude, it was K.A.R.R.! And just as K.I.T.T. was an acronym for something, so was K.A.R.R. Does anyone besides me remember? (I have no life.) > Definition of "porg?" > > The OTHER white music. THAT was good. :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:55:25 GMT From: "chahram riazi" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Napster Theater Message-ID: >I downloaded Smoke On The Water (with Napster, shoot me :-) which is >supposedly performed by (get this) Bruce Dickinson and Dream >Theater... if >you do a search on Napster (artist: dickinson, song: smoke) this is >the >exact same result you'll get... It doesn't sound as DT to tell you the > >truth >although i can be wrong... I think i hear Dickinson singing the 2nd >verse >but I'm not positive. So, can anyone clear this up for me? Oh, yea, I >definately hear 2 >guitars here... I've spent quite some time on Napster- I only download rare and live material- and I've discovered a few funny things accredited to our favorite band: -There was a song called "Need to be Osiris gets a mouth" and it includes a singer sounding like Dominici and has a drum machine, it also includes a mean guitar solo. -A song called "in the forest of the elves" -A song called "Vanishing cream" ( I am not making this up!) -A live version of "Comfortably numb" that sounds like it was done by Pink Floyd; I know that DT has covered "Hey You" but have they ever covered "Comfortably numb"? -A version of "Mission impossible" that's accredited to Dream Theater and Joe Satriani(!) -But the funniest so far is the following currently available on Napster: "Mission impossible 2 theme by Dream Theater"(3:27 min) It seems that someone took the track by Tool on the soundtrack of MI:2 and labeled it as a DT song and then put it on Napster and hence spread it around the world. --Chahram ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:22:02 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Napster Theater Message-ID: <000b01bfe1ab$7d8b4680$853936cb@user> > >I downloaded Smoke On The Water (with Napster, shoot me :-) which is > >supposedly performed by (get this) Bruce Dickinson and Dream >Theater... if > >you do a search on Napster (artist: dickinson, song: smoke) this is >the > >exact same result you'll get... It doesn't sound as DT to tell you the > > >truth > >although i can be wrong... I think i hear Dickinson singing the 2nd >verse > >but I'm not positive. So, can anyone clear this up for me? Oh, yea, I > >definately hear 2 > >guitars here... Well it definately is Bruce on vocals along with Ian Gillan but I have no idea who the band itself is. It definately doesn't sound like OFB. Paul. email_address_removed ICQ:54681951 --------------------------------------------------------- "I wave my private parts at your Aunties." - Monty Python ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 2000 04:26:57 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 80's TV Message-ID: On Wed, 28 June 2000, "Steven Zebrowski" wrote: > Dude, it was K.A.R.R.! And just as K.I.T.T. was an acronym > for something, so was K.A.R.R. Does anyone besides me > remember? (I have no life.) Yes, I, too, am a child of the 80's. "Knight Rider" ruled at the time. Of course, I also took the "A-Team" seriously, watched the Dukes of Hazzard 'till the replaced the good ol' boys w/ Coy & Vance, and regarded the mini-series "V" and "V: The Final Battle" as some of the best space epics of our time, right up there with "Battlestar Galactica" and "Star Blazers." Speaking of which, has anyone heard whether or not they are moving forward with the movie version of "Galactica?" I heard there were two different producers/studios trying to get a deal last year (I think one of them was Dirk Bennedict...of "Starbuck" & "Face" fame). ______________________________________________________________________ Check out Metallica's Official Web Site at http://www.metallica.com For 200+ channel 24/7 commercial free music visit http://radio.www.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:46:01 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Possession Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D04093FFB@HQEXS01> >Hockey aside, Sweden is more known for good massages and tall, blonde, >leggy women. Don't forget Swedish Meatballs! And Swedish Fish!!! >BTW that Blue analogy kicked a thought or two. I'll second that. The "Blue Analogy (Ba Da Bee)" kicked Ass. >Subsequently, she disliked Rush, HATED Dream Theater, and would demand >that i turn them off anytime we were in the car together (MY car, I >might add). After 4 years, i couldn't take it anymore, and i dumped >the bitch. :) What took you so long?!? >Definition of "porg?" >The OTHER white music. HAHAHAHA That reminds me of: "Shrimp: The OTHER semi-translucent meat." >Why does 50 percent of the jam have to be about this man? INFIDEL! Kneel down before The Hasselhoff and beg forgiveness for questioning our worship of him! There is only one Hasselhoff! By the way, to contribute to the Knight Rider Geek Fest: K.A.R.R. - Knight Automated Roving Robot K.I.T.T. - Knight Industries Two Thousand (The voice of KITT was supplied by the guy that played Mr. Feeney (sp?) on Boy Meets World.) -Zircon the Blue (Ba Da Bee) "I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wimpy were to snap like a store-brand pretzel and mow down the entire Popeye cast, shouting "It's Tuesday, people! Payback time!'" - The Brunching Shuttlecocks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:54:14 +0100 From: David Cuthbert To: "'yste jam'" Subject: Beyond this life, Drums Message-ID: Rod Morgenstein has an item in Rhythm (UK drumming mag) in which he transcribes parts of Beyond this life.. er finished! DavidC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss To: The Dance of Ytinrete Subject: Z-man; etc. Message-ID: Steve wrote: >her radio station of choice was 99.1 WHFS Back in the day [that doesn't sound too old-man-like now, does it], they were pretty radical in their playlist. Then alternative became mainstream and now DC101 and HFS share the same limited playlist. It's rather disheartening to see the demise of a once vibrant station. Nowadays, I'd prefer to listen to 97.9, but the signal is rather weak for my portable walkman. So I flip around to the classic rock and jazz stations. Korg: >OK, then let's get a new mascot, Mr. Poopypants. How about for our new mascot, we elect Elian's uncle in Miami, who now that the courts have ruled against him is claiming breach of privacy with all the television cameras. What a hypocrite. He'd fit right in. >NP: Faith No More - Angel Dust Oh My God! Call 911: Korg's not listening to something with the .mp3 extension. paul NP Gentle Giant: Out of the Fire [not really, it's Blur, but I'd prefer not to admit it as I'm not too keen on it.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote: I wave at you / with the arm of the mountain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:23:59 -0500 From: Brian Hayden To: Subject: Re: Napster Theater Message-ID: on 6/29/00 3:09 AM, chahram riazi at email_address_removed scribbled in vibrant crayola: > -A song called "Vanishing cream" ( I am not making this up!) If this is the song I'm thinking of (and could there really be more than one by that name), it's actually a really cool tune. Band is called Hunger. Dig it. -Brian -- They'll take you to Cloughprior and shove you in the ground, but you stick your head back out and shout, "We'll have another round" -Shane MacGowan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:37:18 -0500 From: "Dan McCormack" To: Subject: Re: Napster Theater Message-ID: <005201bfe1df$eb265de0$message_id_removed> ]From: chahram riazi Subject: Napster Theater > -A version of "Mission impossible" that's accredited to Dream Theater and > Joe Satriani(!) hehe once i was looking around on the network share drives at school and found an mp3 of the MI theme from subconscious, labeled thusly: "mission impossible (punk).mp3" haha. you know it. dream theater, the newest up-and-coming punk band of the '90s. err, of the '00s. stupid frat boys (no offense intended to any frat boys on the list - well ok yeah, offense intended :). moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:59:02 -0400 From: Jens Johansson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5520 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000629105902.038b0fb0@localhost> > << KorgX3 wonders if there is a cure for Sweden. >> > Fuck You That wouldn't work, I think. A better idea is to sell it to Norway! As long as the seat of government remains in Stockholm this would be OK. ;) ['art rock' issues] I personally can really recommend a record with a project called "U TOTEM". It is one of my favorite CDs. Perhaps I would call it updated art rock, with a sizable pinch of orchestral-70s-Zappa flavor, with sort of 80s-90s production values, more 'complex/tonal' than 'random/noisy'. Vocals, and electric and acoustic instruments in a balanced mix. Interesting compositions. Very well played. FWIW.. --- Jens. (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:47:17 -0400 From: Steve Godbout To: YTSEJAM Mailing list Subject: To All Canadian DT FANS Message-ID: <3982FC85.7CB86013@videotron.ca> ATTENTION CANADIAN DREAM THEATER FANS!!! It has now become clear to me, after speaking to Mike Portnoy in New Haven last Thursday (the 22nd of June) and after hearing the James Labrie interview on WHFR 89.3 over the net that the probability of seeing the Metropolis 2000 tour in canada ARE VERY VERY SLIM at best. The reasons given by James last night were that promoters were just not offering enough money for the band to come over. To quote James, "They are not even close to what is being offered in other countries" and as I see it, what is being offered would not cover the expenses of bringing the tour up north. James also stated that the band would be VERY interested in touring TORONTO, MONTREAL and QUEBEC CITY if the numbers were right. Now to me that is a real tragedy and I would not forgive myself if I did not at least try to do something about it. I've gotten hold of a local radio station promoter who says he'd be willing to pass on a list of would-be-show-attendees to the big time promoters of the region if it were significant enough. So here is what I propose: ++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you want to see DT tour Canada SEND ME AN EMAIL at godbouts@videotron.ca with: Subject: Canadian Tragedy Body: Name Email City How much would you Pay per ticket ++++++++++++++++++++++++ I will personally compile all of the Emails I get and we'll see what goes from there. Now remember, Money is here the main issue and I've seen tickets for shows this summer sell at 70 CAN$ (AC/DC) and 90 CAN$ (KISS) so really ponder the price you'd be willing to pay to see DT in your area. There is another way you can help me. If you have any info on how to contact directly promoters Michel Brazeau, Donald K. Donald or House Of blues in the province of Quebec, let it fly my way. To Mike Portnoy (or any other band member): If you would like to be kept informed on the progress of this endeavor, or have pointers and recommendations you'd like to give me or If you would rather tell me to stop all of this, feel free to contact me at the above Email address. To all, thanks for your time and let's cross our fingers. Steve Godbout godbouts@videotron.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:13:15 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Megadeth/Anthrax in Phoenix tonight Message-ID: Is anything going to the Megadeth/Anthrax show at Blockbuster Desert Sky Pavilion in Phoenix tonight? Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it's a Motley Crue show, but I'm sure as hell leaving after Megadeth... :) If anyone here is going, I'll be in the lawn area with my SFAM tour shirt on! :) David Dixon MCSD, MCDBA, MCSE Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:27:41 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: Megadeth/Anthrax in Phoenix tonight Message-ID: > Is anything going to the Megadeth/Anthrax show at Good Lord - did I say "anything"??? Make that "anyone" or "anybody"... :) David Dixon MCSD, MCDBA, MCSE Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:43:23 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napster Theater Message-ID: >-A song called "in the forest of the elves" There's a similarly titled song on Luca Turilli's (of Rhapsody) solo album, "King of the Nordic Twilight". Great disc -- like a lot of the epic-sounding speed/power metal on the market, only with real orchestral/vocal elements rather than synths. Tangent: I can't stand synthesizer string sounds. Mellotronnish stuff is great, as are most synth patches that doesn't try to replicate the sound of a natural stringed instrument, but just about any fake violin / cello / etc. is detracting to most songs in which they're featured. If any of you are ever putting an album together that requires string sounds, pay some kid in the local highschool orchestra twenty bucks to lay down real-sounding tracks. I also dislike: people that hit the brakes just as they're about to take their car up a hill. Why?! >-A version of "Mission impossible" that's accredited to Dream Theater and >Joe Satriani(!) Dream Theater did cover the M:I theme back in the day. Satriani never played with them, though. Brian [NP...Porcupine Tree -- Up The Downstair] ============================================== WB Henderson email_address_removed Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com ============================================== ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5526 **************************