YTSEJAM Digest 5520

Today's Topics:

  1) Re:Smoke on the Water?
 by email_address_removed
  2) Fates Warning
 by "Alexander T. Coassin" <email_address_removed>
  3) RE:  tickets on sale - when?
 by "Greg Stafford" <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5518
 by "Charlie Hamilton" <email_address_removed>
  5) Re:  Korg
 by "Kez" <email_address_removed>
  6) Steve Morse interview
 by "Tim Detman" <email_address_removed>
  7) biznatch!!!
 by Dan Costello <email_address_removed>
  8) Re: Devin
 by email_address_removed
  9) preaching to the converted
 by "chahram riazi" <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: DT DVD
 by Janne Jokitalo <email_address_removed>
 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5519
 by email_address_removed
 12) DT M2000 Pictures
 by email_address_removed
 13) 1,5 + 1,5 = 2,10?
 by "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: Quarkspace
 by "M P" <email_address_removed>
 15) Re: DT M2000 Pictures
 by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
 16) Need more dates...can't function...
 by Kurt M Hampton <email_address_removed>
 17) RE: Def Leapord... Cont...
 by "Joe Latuscha" <email_address_removed>
 18) RE: DT M2000 Pictures
 by "Hector P" <email_address_removed>
 19) SFaM DVD
 by Niall <email_address_removed.au>
 20) Re: Images and Words
 by email_address_removed
 21) Practicing in less time
 by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <email_address_removed>
 22) Re: Def Leapord (It's Def LEPPARD, you dumbass!)
 by "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:47:38 -0500 (EST)
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Smoke on the Water?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I may not be sure on this, but as a huge Maiden-DP mark, I believe the
only time Bruce ever recorded this song was at the Armenian Aid all-star
charity show, this version smokes with Bruce, Gillan, and Paul Rodgers
on vocals and Iommi, Blackmore, May, and Gilmour on guitars at various
points. (they trade off) I could be wrong, but this may be your version.
If it is it is not DT, most likely, as this was done around 90-91. Hope
this helps.

Out of lurk mode (again)
Barry


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:50:41 -0400
From: "Alexander T. Coassin" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Any reviews of the new Fates Warning album yet?   I downloaded it from Napster (... and
yes, I am still buying it the first day it comes out).  Seems to be a little less
progressive, a lot dryer in terms of production, and sounds more like Engine than FW.
But nonetheless, after a few listens, stills sounds promising.  I'm sure I'll grow to
love it just as much as the other ones.  Kevin Moore has some cool new sounds on this
one too.

Any other impressions??

a.

p.s.  Btw, what's with this new "dry" sound.  The Maiden album, while still their best
in a while, is recorded so dry, and now FW.  I miss the lush productions of the Seventh
Son / Parallel (in terms of sound) days...


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:01:23 -0400
From: "Greg Stafford" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE:  tickets on sale - when?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


According to Ticketmaster I read yesterday the tickets for Cincy show go on
sale July 1st. I'm sure this goes for the shows around there as well.
hope this helps,
The Wizard
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:48:16 -0700
From: "Charlie Hamilton" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5518
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


	Okay, I am a complete retard.  Sorry about 
the html problem that I ALWAYS forget about.  
Enxt time I will make sure that I dont e-mail a 
completely screwed up post.  Seriously I know I 
have done this a couple times and my dearest 
apoogies,  Thank you.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:48:04 -0400
From: "Kez" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re:  Korg
Message-ID: <005301bfded5$e6a16380$0200005a@Kez>


> KorgX3, fretted, for her pleasure.


Now THAT'S funny.

Methinks Mr. Korg has a delightful sense of humor.

Transatlantic at 9:30 Club:  Great show.   Anyone catch the webcast?  Anyone
record it?
Some guy in front of us(belly to MP's drum riser, wearing a Metropolos 2000
shirt), was recording in stereo to MD(you could see the mic's clipped to both
sides of his hat).  Probably not the best place for sound, but you'll sure be
able to hear the drums.   :)
Is that person on this list?
Please let us know if there are any recordings floating around.  We want them.
And so do you.

Kez




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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:31:53 -0400
From: "Tim Detman" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Steve Morse interview
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


in case any of you all peeps want to check out an interview with Grand
Master Steve Morse...
go at this:
http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=68


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:33:51 -0400
From: Dan Costello <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: biznatch!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>  "BEEYOTCH"?  Is this in english?  Or what language is it?

haha! it's sort of a jokingly / mockingly urban way to say "bitch" :-)

-Dan.

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:22:55 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Devin
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



<< >The guy on knight rider...
 
 Is that that old guy? >>

yeah! :)

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:37:31 GMT
From: "chahram riazi" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: preaching to the converted
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>Dream Theater
>        Special Guests: Spock's Beard   >>
>
>No Pittsburgh or Cleveland?! Looks like I'll never see SFAM live :-(
>Say it aint so, Mike :-(

You must be joking, right ?

Where were you when DT played on Feb. 17 in Cleveland and Feb. 19 in 
Pittsburgh ?
Looks like I'll never see SFAM live either especially if they keep avoiding 
Seattle like they did in February.

-Chahram
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:38:22 +0300
From: Janne Jokitalo <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT DVD
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


chahram riazi wrote:
> 
> -The complete Paris show (3 hours).
> -The complete unplugged in Rotterdam show (2 hours).
> -The Ronnie Scott show (1.5 hours?).
> 
> I was going to include the Awake PPV show but that show is widely available
> as a bootleg (though I don't have it), and the TV station would probably ask
> for royalties.
> The maximum DVD capacity is 6 hours so the above is not impossible. Come on
> Mike Portnoy... you know you want to!
> 

Umm, the last time I checked, 3 + 2 + 1,5 > 6  It's actually 6,5, so where's the
error ?

- Rock

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:21:20 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5519
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


In a message dated 6/25/00 3:33:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:

>  downloaded Smoke On The Water (with Napster, shoot me :-) which is
>  supposedly performed by (get this) Bruce Dickinson and Dream Theater... if
>  you do a search on Napster (artist: dickinson, song: smoke) this is the
>  exact same result you'll get... It doesn't sound as DT to tell you the 
truth
>  although i can be wrong... I think i hear Dickinson singing the 2nd verse
>  but I'm not positive. So, can anyone clear this up for me? Oh, yea, I
>  definately hear 2
>  guitars here...

Well I don't know, I haven't listened to it, but I do know of a recent cover 
of the song by a group called Metallium.  They are German, and Chris Caffery 
of Savatage played on their first CD.  This would explain the 2 guitar thing. 
 Bruce wasn't involved though.. and I don't feel like spending the much time 
to d/l it to verify it... but this is at least an idea. :)

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:53:17 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT M2000 Pictures
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Could somebody give me some leads to some good live shots of the Metropolis 
2000 tour I could find on the web?  I've been on some sites and have found a 
few but any URL's will be helpful.  Thanks in advance!! 


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:36:05 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: 1,5 + 1,5 = 2,10?
Message-ID: <002101bfdefe$3768fcb0$610d84d0@korg>


> Umm, the last time I checked, 3 + 2 + 1,5 > 6  It's actually 6,5, so
where's the
> error ?

The error is you should have used decimal points in place of commas when
depicting decimal units.  Unless that's some damn Swedish thing, then I
apologize.  Not for your error but because you might be a Swede. ;)
--
KorgX3 wonders if there is a cure for Sweden.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:40:36 EST
From: "M P" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Quarkspace
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>From: "Tony De Laender" <email_address_removed.be>
>np: Quarkspace - Spacefolds 5  <--these guys can give Ozric Tentacles
>a run for their money !!!


Saw them last year with Porcupine Tree in Cleaveland.
Unless you've heard something I haven't, saying they
give Ozrics a run for their money is gross
exaggeration.

D/J, who much preferred the Tree
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:53:52 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT M2000 Pictures
Message-ID: <39569B90.1E59547E@sdts.nu>


email_address_removed wrote:

> Could somebody give me some leads to some good live shots of the Metrop=
olis
> 2000 tour I could find on the web?

You'll find approximately 25 photographs from the Stockholm show (2000-03=
-26) on
the following links:

 http://www.sdts.nu/arkiv/Schultz/

 http://www.sdts.nu/arkiv/Emma/

Not the best quality, but there are some cool ones. The photo's are (c) P=
atrik
Schultz, and Emma Lid=E9.
--
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:15:24 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Need more dates...can't function...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I think I am losing my mind waiting for the rest of the dates. All I do
is play video games, listen to music, and four days of the week go to
work as a video store clerk, wait I do that all the time!

Anyway, my frind bought the soundtrack for CLERKS yesterday. 

I want you to suck my cock BESERKER!

CHEWBACCA what A WOOKIE!

I love those songs :)

I can't believe they are making a Clerks 2. At the end of the credits on
the Dogman DVD its said so (well it didn't talk but ya know!)

Kurt



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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:56:50 -0400
From: "Joe Latuscha" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: RE: Def Leapord... Cont...
Message-ID: <000d01bfdf11$cc318a20$6fdeb03f@majesty>


Rick wrote:
<<Actually though, on the Slang CD Rick Allen went to playing an actual real
kit instead of that electronic thing. A lot of people don't realize this.
However, he went back to the electronic one on the Euphoria CD due to the
band trying to do a Hysteria-like album again.>>

Yeah, I know he used a real acoustic set, but you must realize that there
are little electronic triggers attached to the drum heads, which, when
hooked up to a good drum computer, can create very good "real" drumlike
sounds.  He is still using electonics heavily there, it is just not as
appearent.
later all....
Joe


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:19:29 -0400
From: "Hector P" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DT M2000 Pictures
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


These are the ones i took at Pompano Beach

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/waterboys/461/00-dt.html

hope they help!

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:06:07 +1000
From: Niall <email_address_removed.au>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SFaM DVD
Message-ID: <9180AE5D403BD411BC3500105A5BC8B9CFB7@OPIATE>


In ytsejam digest 5517, somebody said:

"I could care less about the SfaM DVD (I'm not exactly thrilled with the
current shows' setlists)"

That's a perfectly valid opinion, but from my point of view, I wouldn't care
if they put out a DVD with just the sound checks from each performance - I'd
still buy it. I'm in Australia, and there's no chance of me seeing DT until
either they come to Australia or somewhere very close to it... so this DVD
would be a godsend :)

And besides, I just got a DVD player :P

Niall.

NP: ACoS

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:27:23 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Images and Words
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hmmmmm, I've been away for a few days and so I'm just reading the back issues 
I have of the jam. I've noticed that a lot of people seem to have gotten mad 
about my negative comments towards Images and Words. Perhaps I was too rough 
in the way I said it. For this, I apologize. However, I do not apologize for 
saying that I do not like the album. Is it so hard to believe that I don't? 
Oh well, not to make a big deal of it. At any rate, hope everyone out there 
is well....
                        Buck Hamner

NP: Nuclear Constituency- The Hammer Will Fall

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:03 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Practicing in less time
Message-ID: <001301bfdf1f$71cb6ac0$ad5afea9@madstation>


I am a little concerned for the future of this wave of prog, if all the
shredders here really believe that they should design their workouts around
Rock Discipline.  RD is a great video, especially if you're already somewhat
capable and don't have the budget to get multiple videos, but I really hope
very few of you make your practices something like "10 minutes of trills, 10
minutes of scale fragments, etc."  There is nothing special or beautiful
about these things... they're technical primers... workouts like weights, or
running laps.  It's necessary to do some regular work with these things in
order to keep them up, but I would recommend a little experiment.  Practice
like this, with a metronome and mark your tempos and take notes on the
difficulty of playing like this.  Then, for the rest of that week, practice
new things.  Learn and memorize your favorite parts of songs (not
necessarily DT!) and make sure that you learn something.  Improvise on top
of various songs... especially over things you're not used to.  Start
working on a new technique.  Or just focus on one thing, for a whole hour
session... like work solely on moving through your 3 note per string
patterns up and down the neck with no pause for position shifts, if you want
a specifically technical workout.

Let JP be an influence, and not some kind of ideological demigod.  What do
you think he wants to go home and listen to, someone who sounds like a JP
wannabe or someone who has picked up on something subtle from his playing,
and something subtle from 30 other guys' chops, and made something new?

If you're pressed for 1 hour of practice time in the first place, why would
you want to use it working on things that make you blend in with far too
many other players in a genre that has perhaps more aspiring musicians than
fans?

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 squeeze your brain, which is your body,
 right out the top of your head, which does
 not exist!" - Carl, of Carl and Son, makers of
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:48:46 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Def Leapord (It's Def LEPPARD, you dumbass!)
Message-ID: <001f01bfdf3a$aba0c2c0$850d84d0@korg>


> Yeah, I know he used a real acoustic set, but you must realize that
> are little electronic triggers attached to the drum heads, which, when

I dunno.  I think it's pretty cheap to gripe about a disabled guy writing
music through the aid of electronic equipment.  I mean, drums are
definitely a four-limb instrument.  It's very difficult to get along with
one less and if it takes electronics to make up for the lost limb, so much
the better.  Personally, I really don't give a damn if Rick just
programmed everything into a drum machine and sat at the edge of the stage
for the whole show doing the one-handed clap.  As long as he wasn't
programming some stupid techno 4 beat sample shit.

You gotta hand it to the guy for overcoming his disability.
You've gotta hand it to that Becker kid most of all, though.
--
KorgX3 even has to give props for Stevie Wonder.


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