YTSEJAM Digest 5517 Today's Topics: 1) bass players and Milosevic by "Raivo Hool" 2) PG choreography on SNL by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" 3) TA at Nearfest by Babs 4) seek a surgical strike and destroy it by Joshua Rasiel 5) a question for shredders by mikel 6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by Dan Costello 7) Re: Springsteen? by email_address_removed 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by "Dave Leon" 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by "Joe Latuscha" 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by Brian D Hayden 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by "Korg Ecksthrey" 12) slashdot? by Digital Man 13) re: Metal 2000 by Brian Hansen 14) Nuno Bettencourt - New Mourning Widows album by Alan Estrada 15) Info from Mike by Drew Schinzel 16) Re: Info from Mike by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" 17) FREENET! It's about time by "JM Souter" 18) Re: Info from Mike by Al Balkiewicz 19) RE: AY YEAH BEEYOTCH!!! by T Detman 20) Re: How to be an asshole Vol 1 by Kurt M Hampton 21) Progeny Webzine now online! by "Tony De Laender" 22) DT Live in Korea 2000 video by Emre Topuzoglu 23) RE: DT Live in Korea 2000 video by "Souter, Jan-Michael" 24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by Angelo Lombardi 25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 by "Korg Ecksthrey" 26) Re: TSM Background Vocals/Chapman Stick by email_address_removed 27) yes/kansas by email_address_removed 28) DT US Summer tour dates (part 1) by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:28:34 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: Subject: bass players and Milosevic Message-ID: <00b601bfdc34$9f06db20$0201a8c0@internal> ]From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" > I also think that JM has a right to play guitar. :-) And I think he's a better guitarist than most axe-slingers on the Jam. :-) > no bass player (except Steele.........and Kip Winger) gets to > be a sex symybol. Well, there's McCartney, and Nikki Sixx, and Frank Bello (the bass player from Anthrax who gets all the chicks), and Janos Hegedüs (that huge amount of stage presence is scary!). :-) > proved that they are anti-regime.........spasi srbiju i ubi se, > slobodane, they scream......which basically means "save the Hehehe... They want Slobodan to off himself because they think he sold out... But that's really... on topic. Because of the topic line. Raivo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: PG choreography on SNL Message-ID: >But yes, I saw this performance and nearly shat myself when I saw Tony >there playing. I thought it was cool shit. The choreography they had, >though, was absolutely hilarious! If you saw this performance, you'd know >EXACTLY what I mean; it was awful! -I did! It looked halarious!!! The funniest part was the look on everybody's face - they looked like PG made them do it even after they told him it would look stupid. -Koggie _____________________________________________________________ This email originated from http://www.ytsejam.com - Free email_address_removed email addresses, 6MB of Storage and no limit on file attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Babs To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: TA at Nearfest Message-ID: Hello everyone. Ok, so what if the sound was a little off at Nearfest - did anybody get this recorded? I'd give anything to be able to hear this. Anything "peppered" with the Beatles and Marillion has just got to be the bomb. Babs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:14:57 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: seek a surgical strike and destroy it Message-ID: >* "Seek and Destroy" is trademarked property of Metallica, 1983. whenever I hear that song title, i think of QR's "surgical strike". now, there's a man's song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:42:49 +1000 From: mikel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: a question for shredders Message-ID: heya, I've been practising guitar now for a good few years now, playing 2 to 6 hours a day. However the time has come when I can no longer maintain this amount of practise. Obviously, being a DT fan, a large portion of this goes into technical excercises. Now I know some of you here have been through similar amounts of practising, and my question is - what do you think I should do to maintain my speed and accuracy, whilst still allowing time for practising a few other things and playing for pleasure. Chances are, I will have about an hour a day, plus playing with a band atleast twice a week. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: > the electric factory has it listed on their website, ticket > > prices there are only $13.50, ticketbastard is something like > > $22.50. www.electricfactory.com - i would consider that > official AY YEAH BEEYOTCH!!!! WOOHOO!!! And this time, I'm bringing a map AND a good camera! :-) -Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:29:14 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Springsteen? Message-ID: << Who? Who is Devin? >> The guy on knight rider... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:34:29 -0400 From: "Dave Leon" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: <000e01bfdc56$f9496c20$message_id_removed> > To which I replied: > Oh really ? > Springsteen has more talent in the hairs in his left nostril than you'll > ever have, plus he a damned fine guitarist too boot. > He's one of the most talented songwriters and musicians around, > > > gaz > Springsteen is the most talented musician in rock music, IMO. I would put him above greats like John Cougar Mellencamp, Brian Adams, Rod Stewart.........well actually I formed a list of who I thought were the most talented musicians in rock music....so here it is: Top 5 Musicians Who Have the Most Talent to Bore Me. 5) Rod Stewart (He was last interesting in the 1970s with the infamous horse incident) 4) Willie Nelson (Brian, it's true, he is talented) 3) Mellisa Ethridge (don't want to be discriminatory and leave women off the list) 2) John Cougar Mellencamp (He sings about pink houses for you and me. That's talent.) 1) Bruce Springsteen -Dr. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:50:13 -0400 From: "Joe Latuscha" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: <000e01bfdc59$2cc6f660$59deb03f@majesty> hey ytsejamers... Josh Wrote: You know what else would be cool? If Def Leppard performed on SNL. You know why? Cuz the drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm... The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm...The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! Okay Josh, here is why everyone thinks that poor little one armed drummer is so cool. He uses electic drums, and if he is using an acoustic setup, they have electric triggers in them so that when a faster part comes up in a tune, he can just turn on the auto-roll feature of any basic electric drum kit and boom, one fill done. He is a drummer who uses more electonic shortcuts and backdrops in the music than you can imagine. Don't get me wrong, it is pretty cool that he still can play, but only with one arm, I am just saying that it is not necessarily the coolest thing I have seen in the drumworld. He takes a lot out of the playing. Just had to get that off my chest, too many people have said that to me in the scheme of life. Later all, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:14:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian D Hayden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: Bwahahaha. It's not my fault you can't appreciate traditional down home geniuses like Willie Nelson. You can just keep this newfangled Rock Music Band of yours, I'll stick with country any day! -Brian -- superhype! On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Dave Leon wrote: > > > To which I replied: > > Oh really ? > > Springsteen has more talent in the hairs in his left nostril than you'll > > ever have, plus he a damned fine guitarist too boot. > > He's one of the most talented songwriters and musicians around, > > > > > gaz > > > > > Springsteen is the most talented musician in rock music, IMO. I would put > him above greats like > John Cougar Mellencamp, Brian Adams, Rod Stewart.........well actually I > formed a list of who > I thought were the most talented musicians in rock music....so here it is: > > Top 5 Musicians Who Have the Most Talent to Bore Me. > > 5) Rod Stewart (He was last interesting in the 1970s with the infamous horse > incident) > 4) Willie Nelson (Brian, it's true, he is talented) > 3) Mellisa Ethridge (don't want to be discriminatory and leave women off the > list) > 2) John Cougar Mellencamp (He sings about pink houses for you and me. > That's talent.) > 1) Bruce Springsteen > > -Dr. Dave > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:16:46 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: <001801bfdc5c$e70aa640$0201010a@chuck> > Top 5 Musicians Who Have the Most Talent to Bore Me. What? No Barry Manilow? -- KorgX3 thinks you're confusing Bruce Springsteen with Rick Springfield. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:31:46 -0400 From: Digital Man To: Ytse Love-In Subject: slashdot? Message-ID: Someone posted a story to Slashdot yesterday about Dell's plans to sell a home-stereo-component mp3 player. The poster's name was "ytsejam-ppc". Who are you? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Metal 2000 Message-ID: Adam Perkowsky wrote: >And that other band was Queensryche, which I hope >doesn't become a dirty word here on the list because >they screwed over DT. Queensryche became a dirty word when they released Empire... ;o) ~BH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:32:27 -0500 From: Alan Estrada To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Nuno Bettencourt - New Mourning Widows album Message-ID: Nuno has released another Mourning Widows album in Japan, he may play some shows in the US, it would be a cool opener for DT, Nuno has gotten Heavier (this is the heaviest Ive heard from him), his back to the cool riffs and he is a little bit more funkier, a la Cupi's dead... the groove of the album is pretty good, the lyrics are completely different from what he used to write, Im not liking the new lyrics a lot but they are ok... the producion of this album is way better than the Schizophonic album and also than the first mourning widows album... you may find some songs in napster... for more info about how to order, who's playing on the album, cover, lyrics, atc check out Nuno's Official homepage http://www.hotelasylum.com the new album is called "Furnished Souls for Rent" --- Don't talk unless you can improve the silence. Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Schinzel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Info from Mike Message-ID: Hey all. First off, Transatlantic kicked much ass last night. I won't write much about that since others can do it better and we've already had one or two show reviews I think, so here's some info instead, gleaned both from MP's comments during the set and my talking to him briefly afterwards.. BTW, the meet and greet the band held after the show was too cool ! Too bad security thought it was "press-pass only" at first and threw a bunch of people out before the guys came out. Anyway, here's a few tidbits, dunno how much of this has gotten to the list already: - DT are touring with Spock's Beard opening up later in the summer, and at least one confirmed date is Philly at the Electric Factory on August 4. - There will be another Transatlantic album - DT are trying to convince Elektra to release an M2K tour DVD. no VHS - They're also going to see if they can get a DVD out with both Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime on the same disc. - They both videotaped and recorded the show (as always, it would appear), so maybe we'll see something on a Christmas CD or other outlet. Again, I don't read through each jam exhaustively so some of this may be repeated info. If so, sorry ! Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:05:07 +0200 From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Re: Info from Mike Message-ID: > - DT are trying to convince Elektra to release an M2K tour DVD. no VHS > > - They're also going to see if they can get a DVD out with both Live in Tokyo > and 5 Years in a Livetime on the same disc. I could care less about the SfaM DVD (I'm not exactly thrilled with the current shows' setlists), but the rest sounds very interesting. Now if they could find some way to include the Director's Cut of 5YIAL or even the entire Awake In Japan PPV concert on that, it would totally rock! :))))) - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:37:30 CDT From: "JM Souter" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: FREENET! It's about time Message-ID: http://mmsound.about.com/library/weekly/aa061900a.htm Beyond Napster: FreeNet The future of online music distribution will be shaped by programs like FreeNet Dateline: 06/19/00 Napster has generated a lot of fuss recently. The enormously popular file sharing program, which enables users to swap music files for free, is at the center of a legal controversy and is featured in dozens of headlines. Lured by free music -- which might otherwise cost $14 at the local music store -- Napster's user base has grown exponentially. Venture capitalists recently kicked in $15 million. A San Francisco start up launched a parody Web site called Pay Lars, dedicated to compensating Metallica for royalties the band presumably lost because of Napster's free for all music distribution method. To top it off, Congress held hearings to debate Napster -- our nation's lawmakers invited rapper Chuck D to inform them about the phenomenon. But while Napster is the controversy du jour, there's another Web-based file sharing program that promises a more radical change. Called FreeNet, it's the creation of a 23 year-old Irish programmer named Ian Clarke. Unlike Napster, FreeNet has no centralized database. The program is distributed on thousands of servers throughout the Web, and users can upload and download files without needing to visit an individual URL. And FreeNet allows users to operate in complete anonymity -- the major record label which owns a given hit song will never know who posted an MP3 of the song. Or who downloaded it. This means that, in contrast to Napster, there's no one to sue. Copyright holders have no recourse, and digital distribution of music files (and video, software, images or text) can be completely free. Clarke was quoted as saying, "I think people will look back in 20 to 40 years and look at the idea that you can own information in the same way as gold or real estate in the same way we look as witch burning today." Visit the FreeNet site and you'll see the claim that "FreeNet is near perfect anarchy." Since FreeNet is not yet searchable, this term is indeed accurate (search capability is being discussed). And, not only will FreeNet have no centralized control, it will not even be under the control of its creators. In addition to the anonymity that Clarke has built into the program, FreeNet's features are: * It will be virtually impossible to forcibly remove a file from the FreeNet system * Anyone can publish information, without a domain name or a permanent Internet connection * Information will be stored throughout the network in a way that makes it difficult to determine where it is located * Availability of information will increase in proportion to demand for that information (by placing it on mirror sites) What Does It Mean? Although the site talks in glowing terms about FreeNet as the end of any possibility of censorship, this method of file sharing adds still more confusion to the controversy about online music distribution (not to mention video and software). The issues are numerous, and seem to grow more so with time. No one can say for how these changes will affect these three groups: Musicians: How will musicians make money when most or all of their music is distributed for free? Some industry analysts see live performance and merchandise sales playing a larger role in musicians' survival. There's one school of thought that says the greater exposure provided by free music actually increases CD sales; believers in this philosophy point out that overall CD sales have increased in a recent period. But statistics also reveal that in the college age group (translated: serious downloaders) and in retail outlets close to colleges, sales have actually dipped. Record Labels: It looks as if the the major labels will need to partially restructure their business. As evidenced by the constant legal wrangling of the label mouthpiece RIAA, the labels are clearly concerned by the MP3 revolution. And some well knows musicians, like Prince and Todd Rundgren are attempting to distribute their music online without the labels. The reason most musicians can't do this is the major labels' greatest strengths: marketing muscle. Without advertising, little known bands tend to remain little known bands. So it's reasonable to assume that, even as online distribution changes the music industry in unpredictable ways, the labels' marketing prowess will guarantee them a major role. Consumers: According to one recent study, 13 million Americans have downloaded music. And while a healthy percentage of this number represents college students, more than 40 percent are in the 30-49 age group and 10 percent are over 50. (I 'd be interested to see the numbers for an international audience). In short, consumers have embraced online music with enthusiasm. And as the courts, labels and online music outlets battle it out (and software like FreeNet adds an unknown element) consumers have a wealth before them. It's a great time to be a music enthusiast (unless copyright issues bother you, and it doesn't seem to be much of an issue for most people). History Repeats Itself Take a look at the the above three groups and see who's getting the short end of the stick -- the musicians! Funny isn't it, they always seem to get the worst deal. The greatest hope for musicians is that new online distribution methods will allow them to reach a mass audience without the commercial restrictions of record labels. Let's hope so. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Info from Mike Message-ID: n Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Drew Schinzel wrote: > - DT are trying to convince Elektra to release an M2K tour DVD. no VHS > Just an idea. If the main part of putting this stuff out through the record company, wouldn't sales be a big issue involved in the decision? If so, then why would they make it exclusively a DVD thing? Granted, they could put more stuff on it, but they could also do a VHS with just the show, and the DVD could have the show with the addition of backstage footage, additional footage, etc., etc. The cost for the production would encompass the footage from the DVD. Then cutting back material to place on the VHS. I'm sure that the additional production of the VHS cases would pay for itself in sales. I'm pretty sure that there are more people out there with VCRs than DVDs.... just a thought.... -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e w a l k i n t h e d a m a g e o f m a n k i n d -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: T Detman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: AY YEAH BEEYOTCH!!! Message-ID: hell yeah man! i had a map last time and still got lost a few times. but the camera is a good idea, they didn't check for shit on the way into the last one. you put it perfectly "AY YEAH BEEYOTCH!!!!" On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Dan Costello wrote: > > AY YEAH BEEYOTCH!!!! WOOHOO!!! And this time, I'm bringing a map AND a good > camera! :-) > > -Dan. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:35:37 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: How to be an asshole Vol 1 Message-ID: Well if you read it again, I got the impression he wants all of this to sell, if you noticed "I could also sell them to you" This is just another guy trying to make a quick buck off those who don't have the CD. I see CDR's of this all the time on ebay. Kurt "damn I need a new signature now" me after reading ytsejam 5456 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:26:28 +0200 From: "Tony De Laender" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" , Subject: Progeny Webzine now online! Message-ID: <01ef01bfdc8a$3157d2e0$8309bed4@be027612> Hi, This is a blatant plug for a new prog-webzine. Progeny is a new webzine dealing with progressive music. There are already some reviews to be found and an interview with cover designer Mattias Nor=E9n. Check it out! prog 'em -- Tony De Laender Editor, Progeny Magazine http://gallery.uunet.be/progeny/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:21:42 +0300 From: Emre Topuzoglu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT Live in Korea 2000 video Message-ID: Anyone has Dream Theater Live In Korea 2000 video ?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:34:54 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: DT Live in Korea 2000 video Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274AE3E5D6@ISDCRE00> Not yet, if you do please share the wealth :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Emre Topuzoglu [SMTP:email_address_removed > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 4:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: DT Live in Korea 2000 video > > > Anyone has Dream Theater Live In Korea 2000 video ?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:02:44 -0700 From: Angelo Lombardi To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: > You really are a fucking idiot, you should just keep your big mouth > shut, and get the facts straight. > If you gonna quote me, at least quote what I said and not the > bullshit that you just invented. > Lets see what really went down: << clipped >> SADLY, Gaz went into the YtseJam archives for this. GET A LIFE, MAN!!! It's music! It WAS an argument! That's all! Period! > So where did you get my quote from ? > So where did I say Bruce was way better than DT ? Well... IF it wasn't you, then it was the other half of your brain (aka: Brian Hayden). And it was a private e-mail (someone was actually considerate NOT to waste the YtseJam's precious posting space). > ...and more verbal diarrhoea. Learn to spell... BTW... WHY don't you drop this already? WHY the fuck did you have bring this shit up again? YOU & Hayden have to be between 15 to 21 years old, because of your immature way of handling things, etc... Last year (or so) I had a disagreement with Chris Ptacek (sorry Chris, just using as an example). Not just did we discuss our differences in private, it was DROPPED and we moved on. I don't bug him and he doesn't bug me. BUT you, Gaz, has to bring things up AGAIN months after it was done with! What gives! Sorry to take up the Jam with bullshit! Take care, Angelo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:06:34 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5516 Message-ID: <000b01bfdcc8$7106e370$540d84d0@korg> > Sorry to take up the Jam with bullshit! Well, then take it to private mail, dumbass. :) -- KorgX3 snaps his fingers and sugar appears. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:37:40 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TSM Background Vocals/Chapman Stick Message-ID: The background vocals on TSM were done by the producer and engineer of Awake. A Chapman Stick is a 12-Stringed instrument played by tapping the strings. 6 low octave and 6 high octave. It actually seems interesting, once I finish my guitar rig, I think I may invest in one. Warm Regards, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:05:53 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: yes/kansas Message-ID: << and Yes/Kansas was around $50. >> any chigagoland jammers might like to know that the loop freeshow in chicago (july 7th?? 8th) is Yes and Kansas, i'll get back on the date when i hear it, my work listens to tht station all day, so i should hear it sometime soon. see ya JJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:18:21 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT US Summer tour dates (part 1) Message-ID: Dream Theater Special Guests: Spock's Beard Friday Aug. 4 Philadelphia, PA Electric Factor Saturday Aug. 5 Washington, DC 9:30 Club Monday Aug. 7 Cincinnati, OH Bogart's Wednesday Aug. 9 Detroit Phoenix Plaza Thursday Aug. 10 Chicago, IL The Riviera Friday Aug. 11 Milwaukee, WI Riverside Theater Saturday Aug. 12 Minneapolis, MN The Quest Monday Aug. 14 Denver, CO Fillmore Auditorium Wednesday Aug. 16 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall Friday Aug. 18 San Diego, CA 4th and B Saturday Aug. 19 Phoenix, AZ Web Theater Sunday Aug. 20 Hollywood, CA House of Blues Monday Aug. 21 Hollywood, CA House of Blues ****........more dates to come very soon.......**** ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5517 **************************