YTSEJAM Digest 5473 Today's Topics: 1) Re: MP3 CDs by Robb Muise 2) Re: prog links by Robb Muise 3) Re: rudess on home (live) on the new single by "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" 4) RE: calcitrant (Audio cables) by "Herbert, Jason" 5) Rob Spears, Led tallica confusement by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 6) Freedom of speech *NDTC* by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 7) 5150, chick singers, and DVD's, OH MY!!! by Dan Costello 8) my bad by Dan Costello 9) angra pt 2 by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" 10) A whole bunch of NDTC by Digital Man 11) Re: Action taken by Napster by "Matt Molite" 12) infected mushroom by "Fran Brennan" 13) Re: recording from a commercial video..... by Janne Jokitalo 14) Metallister by Digital Man 15) Re: Metallister by Robb Muise 16) fingerprint resistance by email_address_removed 17) better definitions by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 18) Re: angra pt 2 by "Graham B" 19) Re:Dampier/Basketball by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:33:04 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MP3 CDs Message-ID: Good point, but i wasn't talking about from CD to MP3, i was talking wav to Mp3.... OK ya know what i friggin hate? When you get into work, boot up your computers, start winamp, and the guy who uses your system for 30 minutes the night before has changed your playlist and some nastyass korn shyt starts blaring out of your speakers... GRRRR I'm gonna download some N'Synch mp3's and rename them...muhuhahah At 03:47 PM 5/9/00 -0700, Adam Pye wrote: >At 12:48 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > >There is no quality loss when you convert a wav to an mp3. I know that once > >i get my car MP3 player i'll be ripping and burning thousands of songs. It > >kicks ass having 1 cd thats nothing but a bands entire catalog, with rare > >cuts and boots on one disk... > >There's definitely quality loss when converting to MP3 - it's a fact. MP3 >uses "lossy" compression to achieve its small size. If you're very >familiar with a recording, and have even decent ears, you can hear >noticable differences between the original and the MP3 copy. > >If you want non-lossy compression you have to go with something like SHN >(Shorten) format which only gets about 2:1 compression, so file sizes are >still huge for a whole CD. It's great when transferring entire CDs worth >of original-quality bootlegs across the net, tho'. :) > >Adam > >_________________________________________________ >Adam Pye >alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com >http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 >^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists >__________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:37:24 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prog links Message-ID: Sweet, ghostland.com works but progrock.net was down, in case anyone was trying today. So i picked up Night of the Living Dregs used for 4$ and i listened to it, wasn't impressed, put it in my cd player last night and sat there wondering what kind of friggin walnut I am. DAMN! Doncha love it when CD's do that to ya =) PM 5/9/00 -0700, M P wrote: > >Subject: Re: female prog singers > >Ok, My gf was really interested in checking out female prog singers. The > >only i've heard is nightwish. Where can i find some of these bands to check > >em out? > >go to www.progrock.net >check out the artists' page. >if your frames are anything like mine, this will >give you a small sliver of a window >in which to check out their various links. >pull up the band you want to check out > >There is a better link for prog bands out there, >but I can't remember the link for it. >Might be ghostland > >D/J >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:11:23 +0200 From: "Michael Pruchnicki (DE)" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Re: rudess on home (live) on the new single Message-ID: > To those people who believe Jordan is a flawless god, you have not heard the > huge mistake he made in the live version of home in the through her eyes > single. In the middle section, instead of starting his solo when he's > supposed to, he starts a measure early!!! I don't know if somebody has said > this before, but I was in shock when I heard him come in before he was > supposed to. That had to have been a mistake, because it didn't sound cool, > as if he had done it on purpose. It may well have been a problem with the monitors. If you've seen them perform Home live on that November tour, the sound got really horribly during that song. Also note how nicely Jordan recovers :)) Btw ... no matter why it happened, that's what you get for crappy "repeat riff ad nauseum with increasing volume" songwriting that comes before JR's solo. - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:09:09 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: RE: calcitrant (Audio cables) Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B204D@HQEXS01> On Wed, 10 May Al (our resident progtologist & audio guru) wrote: "Then I'd save bucks by having someone knowledgeable and skilled with a soldering pencil install GOOD RCA male plugs on the desired length of HIGH QUALITY cable. I'd recommend Belden 1694A. Type RG-6 (Or equiv.) Click on the provided link and look at the bottom of the page for "Specify by Trade Number." Then enter the number 1694A. The cable specifications will be provided on data sheet. THIS IS A VERY GOOD AUDIO CABLE AT ANY REASONABLE LENGTH!" Well, since I work for one of Belden's competitors, I thought I would plug our own product: http://www.generalcable.com/catalog/electronic/pdf/elec73.pdf (Adobe Acrobat Reader Required). The company name is BICCGeneral (formerly General Cable), and we market product under several different brand names, including Carol Brand (electronics and cordset products) and Romex (building wire). We have a retail contract with Home Depot, so you may be able to find this cable (part number C5814) there. I can't make any specific claims on this particular cable, but generally, our quality compares favorably to Belden's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:06:39 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Rob Spears, Led tallica confusement Message-ID: > I would say that Metallica to Halford is like Zep to Britney! > > (searching for Tibor-to-English dictionary...) I'm sorry, could you > rephrase that please? > Sorry. :-) Well, many people are mad at the Tallica style changes and many many other things about them. But if Metallica is wrong, I think Rob did much worse. First Fight. A weak Pantera ripoff band. Rob totally copped Anselmo - his style, his moves. Ok, truth is, that Phil Anselmo was the first to take Halford elements into his own style. But later he (Phil) evolved his own style. But what mr ex-metal god Halford did, was a plain ripoff. Well, IMHO. Then Rob went on to make some other style band, then a class C industro thing "Two". Now that heavy metal is sort of "in" again (at least in some parts of the world), I heard that he was asking Priest if he could go back, and that he is playing oldschool metal again??! So, Rob Halford is Britney Spears compared to Metallica, and Metallica is Led Zep compared to Rob Halford. Well, at least that is what I think. I am probably just bullshiting - sorry for being confusing. :-) But at least I can be flamed a bit. Tibor (putting on fire-proof shield) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:06:39 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Freedom of speech *NDTC* Message-ID: The notion that > anyone who did not believe what they did was literally a scourge upon > humanity, and must be destroyed. Today we have "sanctions", for example......... The embodiment of collective guilt. > The notion of suppressing anyone, any thing, any act, and any thought > which does not fall in line with your ideal of how the world should be. Another idea which did not die out with the nazis. Absolute freedom of speech > >is a choice; it is also judging - that it is *right*. > > Hmm.. you have a point. It's a very paradoxical point, that would get us > into an endless philosophical loop from hell, but it is a point > none-the-less. :-) I guess no flaming here! But I think that a little philosophy is essential to try to understand at least some things about....well, everything. Anyway, I should be studying....... Tibor > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:40:32 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 5150, chick singers, and DVD's, OH MY!!! Message-ID: > If you get all four pieces for $500 total, I'd do it in a heatbeat, then > turn around and resell it for twice as much. You could probably get about > $500 for the 5150 alone, not to mention the Marshall cab, which could go for > $350-$500 depending on condition... :) that's what I was thinking. Thanks to everyone who replied. > With prices that low, I'd make sure you're getting equipment that is in > decent working and cosmetic condition. yeah, he's selling it because of personal issues, something to do with his girlfriend. He's giving up the guitar completely, which sucks because he kicked ass, but it's good cuz I get cheap gear. :-) > hooking stereo to PC > I just wanted to ask of I will have interefernces or signal loss , since > the distance is ummm maybe 7-9 meters. I don't think, but I'd relly on a > professional opinion too. So? well, my advice is far from professional, but I've done it. It seems that at least on my sound card, the line out power is controlled by the volume level. Why? Who knows? But with the sound card volume for all the different things (master volume, WAV, MIDI, etc.) turned half way up, I've got to crank my stereo up pretty high to be able to hear anything. As far as interference goes, I don't have any, so the sound quality is fine, it's just quiet. Oh yeah, and they're two feet apart with two 8 foot stereo_RCA-to-1/8"_phone cables connecting them, but I have crappy $5 Radio Shack cables and a "piss poor sound card", so perhaps if you had some quality equipment.... > and Anekdoten, The Changelings, Decoryah, Dreams of Sanity(2), > Egg(3), Emerald Tiers, Final Conflict, Grits, Iona, Leger de Main, > National Health (ok, Amanda's one of the 3 in Egg...), Nightwish, > Squonk Opera, Theatre of Tragedy, Therion(4), Thinking Plague, > The Third And The Mortal (as well as Kari Rueslatten solo), > and U Totem. And Renaissance again, cuz Annie's cool enough > to be mentioned twice. CMKY's got a chick singer. > You may want to invest in > one since they're only a $100 or so. Not a great > price, but better than the alternative of paying $300 > or so for a full set up. And it works great for me > since I obviously take my computer with me when I move > out of my parents house, so that means I'll always be > ready to watch DVDs. You can also hook it up to a tv / receveier and hear watch it the way it was meant to be seen. :-) That may or may not require a TV adapter card or something. Hey, is anybody gonna tape the Petrucci / Rudess show on the 10th??? I'm gonna be there, but something tells me that a tape made with my $10 hand-held tape recorder is going to be less than perfect. :-) -Dan. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:58:07 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: my bad Message-ID: > the speed of light divided by the length of the wire connecting the > switch and the bulb, plus the amount of time it takes the filament to > heat up. Assuming your power source is sufficient to handle such a large > load. to correct myself... it would be the (wire length divided by the speed of light) plus heating time. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:37:11 -0300 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" To: Subject: angra pt 2 Message-ID: <011101bfba8d$3b01ec00$8049bcc8@b> Charlie Farell spit: Being a brazilian myself, I only can say that information around here travels a little faster (mainly because Angra is a Brazilian band) :P I never said that the band broke up, so you better read with more attention. But now that shit had hit the fan ... I heard some things, direct from people very close to band/managment, that the Angra situation is: * Andre couldn't stand the others members (espec. Kiko) - on every show, a separated dressing room was demanded for Andre. so u figure why he formed a new band. * They have big issues related to managment (something like 15.000 cds are missing from the inventory) and the money involved with those cds is missing too. * Due to contractual reasons, the band still needs to delivery a new album, wich is in the production phase. * In fact they broke up a few years back, but then got back together due to contractual obligations/managment reasons. I really wish that they could stay together for a few reasons: I really dug the band, and Angra is the second Brazilian band that achieved Internation Status (well deserved). Besides I think Angra will suffer very much with Andre's departure. gb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:13:24 -0400 From: Digital Man To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: A whole bunch of NDTC Message-ID: On 2000-05-10 at 04:38 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com truly believed: > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:45:19 -0400 > From: "Steven Zebrowski" > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5470 > > There's a HUGE difference between INCLUSIVE policies and > EXCLUSIVE policies. Women fought for the right to be > included in the process of American Government, and they > won. They fought long enough and they won. What if the KKK > fights long enough? They won't win, because we live in an enlightened society. To the best of my memory, there's been one politician on the national stage who even had any ties to the KKK -- David Duke -- and he tried to convince people that "Oh, I've changed", and he couldn't get elected to a school board. And if a Klan supporter in your neck of the woods tries to get somewhere within the limits of the law, you as a voter have the right to tell him to go scratch, by the power of your vote. The system is imperfect, but by and large, it works exactly the way we want it to. --- > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:30:08 -0500 > From: Brian Hayden > Subject: Re: Vai, Jadis, Rush, ... > > Bwahaha! I did that one just to get a rise out of you, D. Man, you're so > predictable. :D Touche. :) --- > Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 04:04:28 -0500 > From: "Al @ Switchcraft" > Subject: Audio stuff (PC - Stereo) > > Long cable runs can certainly cause problems. If the cable capacitance > is high, (Greater than 20pf per foot) things get rather ugly once you > compound the TOTAL capacitance of a long cable run. You've [big-ass snip] Once again, this is why the Ytsejam rules. --- > Date: 10 May 2000 11:25:26 -0000 > From: "Awake ." > Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 5468 > > I just bought Transatlantic! Damn, this is a fantastic > disk! Sort on Yes and Genesis, with a goodly amount of > Crowded House thrown in (oh yes! really!). Great stuff, Whoa, Crowded House! Ther's a band I haven't heard mentioned in years! Gotta go get something from them this weekend. -d NP: Iron Maiden/Somewhere In Time (rock the fuck on!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:03:26 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Action taken by Napster Message-ID: <> FINALLY!!! I may hate Metallica's musical direction, but I applaud them for their efforts against this MP3 piracy shit. Napster should block anyone caught pirating MP3s, at least then maybe they'd have a way to enforce the copyright disclaimer...how they'd go about finding the piraters I have no idea...maybe they could hire Lars :-). Matt ============================= Now you've got your voice Your own speech Don't wait 'till Someone else agrees -Rafael Bittencourt, Angra ============================= Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - http://www.netdrive.com/?ao=zzn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:39:51 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: infected mushroom Message-ID: Remember that techno band "Infected Mushroom", who have a song called "Dream Theater" that's been floating around Napster? It looks like they have an album called "THe Gathering" =^). Spooky, huh? -Fran ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:00:27 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: recording from a commercial video..... Message-ID: "Nissinen Tommi"@fugazi.torchsong.com wrote: > > np: OFB/Helsinki, Finland 24/03/00 Now why didn't you tell me you had this taped ?!?!?!?!? Damn you Tommi, and gimme it rightaway !!!! ;-p - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:07:50 -0400 From: Digital Man To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metallister Message-ID: Holy shit. For those of you that weren't lucky enough to get banned by Napster, here's the page you're missing out on: http://infringe.napster.com/metallica.html. Allow me to include a couple of choice quotes: "Metallica has provided Napster with your user name asserting that you were a person who was making available the types of allegedly infringing materials described above." [Meaning, stuff available on CD, and specifically excluding live-concert bootleg material. -d] OK, here's the fucked up part: "In compliance with the DMCA, 17 U.S.C. Section 512(g), Napster will reinstate any user who disputes Metallica's allegation of infringement via a sworn "counter notification," and who after that counternotification is provided to Metallica, is not sued by Metallica within ten (10) business days." "In order to submit a counter-notification, you must certify, under penalty of perjury that you have a good faith belief that you were disabled as a result of Metallica's mistake or misidentification of files you shared as infringing. Your account will remain blocked unless and until you submit a sworn statement of all the information contained in the "counter notification" form found below. That form must include your full real name, address, Napster username, and your consent to being sued by Metallica in the federal court where you reside." Now IANAL, but it appears to me that anyone who is stupid enough to fill out this "LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT" (Napster's emphasis, in big red letters), is a fucking retard. This is essentially an admission that neither Napster nor Metallica's attack dogs have any idea who you are, and if you speak up, you make yourself liable for big fucking trouble. A sworn statement that you consent to being sued by Metallica in federal court!!! Just to get your Napster username reinstated. No fucking thanks. Hopefully, this means that Metallica doesn't quite have as strong a fight as we may have feared. Hopefully, no one's dumb enough to fill out this asinine form. What worries me most, however, is the nature of how to make a claim. Your only recourse is to fill out an Internet form. Napster hasn't even provided an e-mail address, much less a snail-mail address. There's one way to fill out the form, with your real name and address, and you can't even encrypt it. Again, IANAL, but I can't imagine that checking a box in a web browser is legally the same as signing your name to a piece of paper. What's worse, is that there is no apparent way to verify the identity of the sender. What if some pair of freshmen just broke up, and one's really pissed at the other, and knows his or her ex's Napster username, and decides to fuck the other one over by filling out this form? All the information could presumably be correct, and the victim of the prank could wind up in a serious shitstorm. No, it's not likely to happen, but it's possible, and once again, everyone involved is being really irresponsible with sensitive information. Dear Ged, I hope no one fills this form out. No possible good could come from it. Just re-register with Napster with a different username. Now trembling in fear, -d NP: Yes/Tales From Topographic Oceans (Disc 1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:48:32 -0400 From: Robb Muise To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Metallister Message-ID: Personally I would LOVE it if all 317000 people filled out that form. Lets see Metallica pay those legal fees. Talk about ppl yelling back... Damn that would be sweet. I'm kind of wishing I was one of the users banned cos i'd love to stand up and let them sick their dogs on me. Thankfully I have better taste in music =) At 09:15 AM 5/10/00 -0700, Digital Man wrote: >Holy shit. For those of you that weren't lucky enough to get banned >by Napster, here's the page you're missing out on: >http://infringe.napster.com/metallica.html. Allow me to include a >couple of choice quotes: > >"Metallica has provided Napster with your user name asserting that you >were a person who was making available the types of allegedly >infringing materials described above." [Meaning, stuff available on >CD, and specifically excluding live-concert bootleg material. -d] > >OK, here's the fucked up part: > >"In compliance with the DMCA, 17 U.S.C. Section 512(g), Napster will >reinstate any user who disputes Metallica's allegation of infringement >via a sworn "counter notification," and who after that >counternotification is provided to Metallica, is not sued by Metallica >within ten (10) business days." > >"In order to submit a counter-notification, you must certify, under >penalty of perjury that you have a good faith belief that you were >disabled as a result of Metallica's mistake or misidentification of >files you shared as infringing. Your account will remain blocked >unless and until you submit a sworn statement of all the information >contained in the "counter notification" form found below. That form >must include your full real name, address, Napster username, and your >consent to being sued by Metallica in the federal court where you >reside." > >Now IANAL, but it appears to me that anyone who is stupid enough to >fill out this "LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT" (Napster's emphasis, in big >red letters), is a fucking retard. This is essentially an admission >that neither Napster nor Metallica's attack dogs have any idea who you >are, and if you speak up, you make yourself liable for big fucking >trouble. A sworn statement that you consent to being sued by >Metallica in federal court!!! Just to get your Napster username >reinstated. No fucking thanks. > >Hopefully, this means that Metallica doesn't quite have as strong a >fight as we may have feared. Hopefully, no one's dumb enough to fill >out this asinine form. > >What worries me most, however, is the nature of how to make a claim. >Your only recourse is to fill out an Internet form. Napster hasn't >even provided an e-mail address, much less a snail-mail address. >There's one way to fill out the form, with your real name and address, >and you can't even encrypt it. Again, IANAL, but I can't imagine that >checking a box in a web browser is legally the same as signing your >name to a piece of paper. > >What's worse, is that there is no apparent way to verify the identity >of the sender. What if some pair of freshmen just broke up, and one's >really pissed at the other, and knows his or her ex's Napster >username, and decides to fuck the other one over by filling out this >form? All the information could presumably be correct, and the victim >of the prank could wind up in a serious shitstorm. No, it's not >likely to happen, but it's possible, and once again, everyone involved >is being really irresponsible with sensitive information. > >Dear Ged, I hope no one fills this form out. No possible good could >come from it. Just re-register with Napster with a different >username. > >Now trembling in fear, >-d > >NP: Yes/Tales From Topographic Oceans (Disc 1) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough > email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates > email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:34:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: fingerprint resistance Message-ID: > From: "Trevor Hoit" > Subject: cds and guns > > But they do advertise some guns with features like "fingerprint resistant". This > would only appeal to criminals. Oh yeah. If someone told me I'd never have to worry about the pH values in another person's skin and could stop caring about the oils in other people's fingers when they picked up my guitar, I'd turn myself in to the police. "Fingerprint resistant" appeals to people who collect shiny objects, either because they like how the shine looks or because the shine adds to the functionality of the object (metal objects with moving parts fall into this category). "Fingerprint resistant" refers to a finishing process that makes the physical object immune to the pH levels and oils in human skin. Fingerprints come from fingers. Any hard surface (let's say a BC Rich Ironbird guitar body) that a person touches can be riddled with fingerprints in a matter of seconds. All a person has to do is touch something, and BLAMMO!! instant fingerprints. I hate getting fingerprints on my guitar, not because the fingerprints identify who was touching the guitar but because of the fluids that naturally squish out of a person's finger. Usually the fingerprints on my guitar are my own, so identification isn't my concern. But the destruction of my guitar's shiny finish caused by too much touching definitely is. Wooden tables take a real beating because cleaning them, unlike cleaning a guitar body, involves an inevitable removal of some of the table's surface. A soft cloth does much more damage to grainy wood than to a painted, smooth, glossy guitar body that has no physical grains for the cloth to smooth into oblivion. Eventually a wooden table will have to be re-sanded and re-finished because the cleaning process WILL take its toll. Guitar finishes last much longer than wood finishes. In fact, guitar finishes last longer than gun finishes. If an object (let's say a .357 Magnum) is "fingerprint resistant," it means that the acids in a person's skin won't damage the gun's finish. Corrosion from human contact won't be a big deal. Fingerprints can be completely wiped off with a paper towel, and no other chemicals will have to be used to get the oils out of the metal. Fingerprints will still be on the gun's body after touching, but the nastiness from human skin won't permanently damage the gun's finish or set into the metal. (Think about what happens when you spill water on a Stain-Master carpet.) Keep in mind that without proper cleaning and oiling, metal parts will start to wear on each other and eventually break down. This is true for car engines as much as it is for guns. Trevor has by now realized the error of his statement. I hope my refutation was somewhat helpful. Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:01:43 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: better definitions Message-ID: >"history is a fucking lie" - Tibor Varady, MAy 10, 2000. I prefer James Cameron's (Titanic, Terminator) take on the subject...."History is .... a consensus hallucination." One of my all time favorite quotes. psm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:31:33 +1000 From: "Graham B" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: angra pt 2 Message-ID: > But now that shit had hit the fan ... I heard some things, direct from > people very close to band/managment, that the Angra situation is: > > * Andre couldn't stand the others members (espec. Kiko) - on every > show, a separated dressing room was demanded for Andre. so u figure > why he formed a new band. * They have big issues related to managment > (something like 15.000 cds are missing from the inventory) and the > money involved with those cds is missing too. * Due to contractual > reasons, the band still needs to delivery a new album, wich is in the > production phase. * In fact they broke up a few years back, but then > got back together due to contractual obligations/managment reasons. > > I really wish that they could stay together for a few reasons: I > really dug the band, and Angra is the second Brazilian band that > achieved Internation Status (well deserved). Besides I think Angra > will suffer very much with Andre's departure. Where did you hear this, rumour or fact ? You say that you didn't say Andre has left, yet in the above you just did ? gaz 'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't give a shit' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:44:40 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Dampier/Basketball Message-ID: There is a basketball player with the last name Dampier? No shit.... It's Damp-Peer... Living in Lewiston, ME, (A prodominatly French locality), I get so many French accents added on by other people, and it's really quite annoying, because there is not a .0 of French in me...oh well, life goes on.. Andy ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5473 **************************