YTSEJAM Digest 5471 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5470/female prog vocals by email_address_removed 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 by email_address_removed 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 by email_address_removed 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5470 by email_address_removed 5) re: DT's weakest poll results by Brian Hansen 6) Ripper, Magellan by Digital Man 7) re: Government by Brian Hansen 8) 1998 Rotterdam Fan Club bootlegs by Alexandro Talamini 9) Metallica's integrity for sale on eBay by "Tim Detman" 10) Re: Metallica's integrity for sale on eBay by email_address_removed 11) Re: NDTC - "Metal God" by "Matej Grginic" 12) Halford vs Ripper by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 13) this is good by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 14) freedom of speech (non-LTE) by "Tibor Varady 2.0" 15) Re: MP3 CDs by Adam Pye 16) Yet More Angra Misinformation - by "Charlie Farrell" 17) Jadis - Understand / The price of DT T-shirts by "Charlie Farrell" 18) Dream T. Video Live Atlanta ** DAT mixed by "Todd Vaiman" 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 by "M P" 20) not again! by "Steven Zebrowski" 21) prog links by "M P" 22) Hey! by "Steven Zebrowski" 23) Re: female pro singers by email_address_removed 24) Re: Hey! by Brian Hayden 25) Re: Hey! by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 26) Re: female pro singers by "Carlos A. Alfaro" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:02:41 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5470/female prog vocals Message-ID: A little off subject but Rob Muise mentioned October Project and I had to de-lurk. > >If we can include pop-with-proggish-leanings, add Tori Amos, >Kate Bush, Lili Haydn, October Project(2), and Jane Siberry. I wanted to say that I am also a huge fan of the band OP and for anyone else that liked them, and is just as upset that they broke up after Sony dropped them, check out a band named November Project (yeah, I chuckled at the name too). They have a few MP3s to listen to at MP3.com and check out their website (novemberproject.com). The same song writers from October project write for November Project, plus a couple of the people in the band are the same. They have a new female lead singer who is very good (and nice to look at too!). I bought their demo disk from their site and it is great. On a similar note, for those of you that like OP, does anyone know what happened to Mary Fahl the original OP singer? Best- A! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:16:40 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 Message-ID: << Dunno if that was in jest or not, but if that's your first exposure to Vai, I would suggest picking up Alien Love Secrets. Hopefully this won't start a huge "no, you should start with...." Most people would recommending Passion & Warfare, but I personally think that ALS just has a better overall picture of little Stevey Vai's talents.... >> As being the Vai-titled "Biggest Vai Fan Alive", I agree :-) (Waiting for a negative response weren't ya?) ALS mixes a little bit of Vai into 7 songs. Brutality, Serenety, Ugliness and Beaty into one black and blue disc. My favorite Vai cd of all time is Fire Garden, (the cd that made me keep playing guitar, and my first live Vai experience was during the G3/Fire Garden tours), a 74 min cd, constructed of 2 phases, an instrumental and a vocal. I think the main reason people suggest Passion And Warfare is because it's the cd that revolutioned guitar playing for years to come, when that came out, everyone went, "HUH?", the title is perfect for the record. I think lately Steve has really tapped into his guitar tone and the over-all knowledge of what he wants in songs, also his sense of melody has gone through the roof. I better stop before I don't shuddup :-) Warm Regards, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:21:30 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 Message-ID: << To those people who believe Jordan is a flawless god, you have not heard the huge mistake he made in the live version of home in the through her eyes single. In the middle section, instead of starting his solo when he's supposed to, he starts a measure early!!! I don't know if somebody has said this before, but I was in shock when I heard him come in before he was supposed to. That had to have been a mistake, because it didn't sound cool, as if he had done it on purpose. Alexis >> We all have our off nights...I start the "Creeping Death" solo a measure late sometimes....just shows that, contrary to popular belief, the band is human! Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:28:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5470 Message-ID: << Oh, and they let Devin Townsend get away with some HIDEOUS vocals on the Rush tribute album... :) >> That's Devin's natural voice! Ever hear Steve Vai's Sex And Religion? Proof is in the puddin... (I've grown used to it) <> On the LIT Video, Portnoy pronounces it "MY-UNG", while standing in line at both my DT shows, I heard it pronounced, "ME-YUNG", "MOOY-YOUNG", "ME-YOONG", and "MUNG", my guess is that it's "MY-UNG", since Mike actually knows him...but who knows...some of my friends still pronounce my last name wrong.. Let's give it a try- Pronounce: Dampier Warm Regards, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: DT's weakest poll results Message-ID: Totikus wrote: > Here are the results for the poll for DT's weakest song. 17 votes > were received, each containing 3 songs. .. > 3 VOTES: The Silent Man, Innocence Faded, Take Away My Pain > 6 VOTES: Burning My Soul, Anna Lee > 7 VOTES: You Not Me > And the winner of the Ytsejam poll for Dream Theater's weakest > recorded song is, with 8 votes: Hollow Years from Falling Into Infinity. > It seems that DT fans in general are not that big fans of the > mellower and poppier songs, and this may also explain the high proportion of FII > songs (the mellow ones got the most votes). > Discuss. I didn't vote in this poll myself, but I'm not surprised at the results. At the time that FII came out, I was pretty critical of Hollow Years and Take Away My Pain. Not because they were mellow. I didn't like the music all that much (esp. the "happy" guitar of TAMP), and cringed at the opening lyrics of the songs. The demo version of Hollow Years had a "bridge" section before the chorus that was the best part of the song. It was removed in the final version. As for you conclusion about poppier and mellower songs, I don't think that's the case. I like both poppy and mellow songs. I just didn't think that those songs were very good. my $.02, BH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:30:57 -0400 From: Digital Man To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ripper, Magellan Message-ID: On 2000-05-09 at 12:50 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com truly believed: > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:49:05 -0400 > From: WB Henderson > Subject: MP3s / Ripper > > >Ripper?!? How dare they make a movie called "Metal God" about anyone > >but Halford? Ripper's ok, but There Can Be Only One. > > It's the fairy tale aspect of it all. Singer of a cover band gets asked to > be in the band they cover. It's so......beautiful... It still makes me feel unclean. I can't see justifying a movie about Ripper when there's no movie about Rob. And to call it "Metal God," of all things... --- > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:12:03 +0400 > From: Ksue > Subject: John Myung > > I have problem... Tell me, native speakers, how should i pronounce DT > bassist's surname? The proper pronunciation is "Shhhh!" --- > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:13:41 -0300 > From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" > Subject: Labrie = Leonardo da Vinci > > Magna Carta will release on August a cd called "Leonardo - The Absolute > Man", an opera-rock wirtten & directed by Trent Gardner. > > Cast of Characters: You know, I really thought this was a good idea the first thousand times. Get a bunch of famous musicians who are all roughly in the same genre, and do a supergroup album, to see what they come up with. But isn't this too much already? I mean, when this gets released, I think Trent Gardner will be on more of these than there are Magellan albums! Why can't he and his brother just find a drummer and go from there? > Lorenzo de Medici - Josh Pincus And is it me, or is the available pool of talent getting a little thin? Don't get me wrong, I think Ice Age is great (and it's awesome to see another LI prog band getting their props). But Josh Pincus? He's been on one Magna Carta album, and now the label is already whoring him out for "Magellan And Friends" albums? Jeez, all we need now is the singer from Altura and the bagpipe player from Tempest, and we can call it a day. > Salai (aka 'Giacomo') - Robert Berry Has Robert Berry recorded anything in the past 5 years that *wasn't* a Magna Carta compilation? "Occupation?" "Hired gun for Mike Varney." "Oh, nice to meet you, Mr. Berry. Have you met Mr. Sheehan yet?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Government Message-ID: "Steven Zebrowski" replied to: >> Are you kidding here? You wouldn't have a problem with the >> government (or other agencies) having the right to poke around on your >> computer without having to justify their search beforehand? I would. > Not kidding at all. It wouldn't bother me. What are they >going to see? Me asking my girlfriend how her day was. > Don't even get me started on the Bill of Rights. I stand > behind it in principle, of course, but over the past 30 > years (a little more than all my life, so far) it has not > done as much to protect law-abiding citizens as it has to > protect criminals. Perhaps it is has been protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens very well. No one complains about being hungry when they're stuffing their face. No one realizes that they have freedom (protected by the Constitution) until it's taken away. On the other hand, there were some people who were happy to live in Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany. I assume from your post that this method of government would make you happy? > Orwellian, yes. Abuse? According to whom/what? The Constitution? > The Constitution is an archaic document written by > slaveowners who have been dead for 200 years. The country > has changed in that time. The Bill of Rights should change, too. Archaic and written by slaveowners? The country has changed? Hmmm. People have changed so much in 200 years, we must be a different species by now. You must be much smarter than anyone who lived 200 years ago. > What is everyone so ashamed of? You, my friend. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:56:35 -0300 From: Alexandro Talamini To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: 1998 Rotterdam Fan Club bootlegs Message-ID: <1EC071008C02D4118B8D0020484030574424BC@CORREIO> Hi there, Does anybody can tell me if there's any noticeable difference between the two bootlegs from the stated "special" concert?? They are NIGHTTOWN NOSTALGIA and STAINED GLASS. I'm specially interested in knowing if the sound quality are the same and if both contains the same chats between each song. Alex Curitiba, Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:36:13 -0400 From: "Tim Detman" To: Subject: Metallica's integrity for sale on eBay Message-ID: i'm not the one selling this, i did find it pretty damn funny for some reason: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=327448958 -tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:20:56 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica's integrity for sale on eBay Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/00 5:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << i'm not the one selling this, i did find it pretty damn funny for some reason: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=327448958 -tim >> rofl...classic. hey, id pay 10,000 for that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:24:07 +0200 From: "Matej Grginic" To: Subject: Re: NDTC - "Metal God" Message-ID: <000901bfba05$4b285340$message_id_removed> Hey, Zakk Wylde is gonna have a prime role in that movie, so it's gonna kick muchos arsos and cohones! :) Plus Jennifer Aniston, cute cheeks, great bonus :) Cheers, Matej P.S. BTW, that's Mark Wahlberg you meant :) >> I heard a blurb about a movie that's in preproduction called "Metal God." It's supposed to be about the life of Ripper Owens, and Dirk Diggler (his real name escapes me) is supposed to be in the title role. I heard this on the radio at about 5:15 AM. Has anyone else heard about this? It could be extremely cool if it's true. << ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:29:44 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Halford vs Ripper Message-ID: > Ripper's ok, but There Can Be Only One. Ripper's the man. I would say that Metallica to Halford is like Zep to Britney! No further comments. T-Bone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:29:44 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: this is good Message-ID: well said! > Orwellian, yes. Abuse? According to whom/what? The > Constitution? The Constitution is an archaic document > written by slaveowners who have been dead for 200 years. > The country has changed in that time. The Bill of Rights > should change, too. Well said! Tibor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:29:44 +0200 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: freedom of speech (non-LTE) Message-ID: Brad wrote > We must defend the rights of ALL citizens to speak, no matter how > "vile" their words. .............. But who is to say who is a criminal? Who is to > say who is wrong? Brad, what you say does make some sense. But keep in mind that what your stand is also a stand! Absolute freedom of speech is a choice; it is also judging - that it is *right*. So the sentence I quoted on the top, IMO does not solve the problem in the other quoted sentence. Well I just wanted to note that. Other than that, I agree pretty much with what you said. Greets, Tibor "history is a fucking lie" - Tibor Varady, MAy 10, 2000. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:33:35 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 CDs Message-ID: At 12:48 PM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >There is no quality loss when you convert a wav to an mp3. I know that once >i get my car MP3 player i'll be ripping and burning thousands of songs. It >kicks ass having 1 cd thats nothing but a bands entire catalog, with rare >cuts and boots on one disk... There's definitely quality loss when converting to MP3 - it's a fact. MP3 uses "lossy" compression to achieve its small size. If you're very familiar with a recording, and have even decent ears, you can hear noticable differences between the original and the MP3 copy. If you want non-lossy compression you have to go with something like SHN (Shorten) format which only gets about 2:1 compression, so file sizes are still huge for a whole CD. It's great when transferring entire CDs worth of original-quality bootlegs across the net, tho'. :) Adam _________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:29:59 +0100 From: "Charlie Farrell" To: Subject: Yet More Angra Misinformation - Message-ID: <008201bfba07$86b66120$a31fac3e@pbvpu> Gilberto Bressan Junior spread yet more unfounded Bollocks about Angra when he scribbled >Now lets spread the word ...hot news > > ex-Angra vocalist teamed up with Sascha Paeth on a band >called VIRGO. > > www.virgo-online.de (very slow loading page) Now I got the email from Century Media Records where this was announced and another announcement from Angra's previous record company in France and NEITHER one said 'ex-'. Adding that to your post is just out of Order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a parallel project - as you would see if you read the bios etc on the website. Angra are taking a break right now and will probably resume recording at the end of the year. The earliest expected date for their next Studio album is Spring 2001. It's not as if Andre hasn't worth with Miro and Sacha before! Coming on top of the 'Symphony X list rumour about 'the death of Angra's bassist' - also totally without foundation, their management must be working double-time right now stomping on all the false rumours which are appearing - just 'cos they are taking a break after a heavy year (1999) touring, some of the guys getting married etc. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:40:41 +0100 From: "Charlie Farrell" To: Subject: Jadis - Understand / The price of DT T-shirts Message-ID: <008b01bfba07$9c37c020$a31fac3e@pbvpu> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:11:36 -0400 ]From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP3 CDs / Jadis >If you're a fan of neoprog (Marillion, IQ, etc.), I just did an interview >with Gary Chandler, guitarist/singer/songwriter of the British band >Jadis. There's a couple officially-sanctioned MP3 soundclips on there too, >from their new album 'Understand'. http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton/interview.html Cool to see someone else talking about Jadis - one of my fave neo-prog bands. I haven't yet picked up my copy of 'Understand', but I should have it soon - and I'll see 'em live next week in London. Gary was also at the DT gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire on April 4th Charlie P.S. To the guy who mentioned that DT T-shirts cost $40 in the UK. Well, when DT continue to lose the profits of the European tour in playing a few gigs in the UK (according to Mr Portnoy in an interview with Classic Rock magazine) - it would seem to make financial sense to claw back a little on the sale of T-shirts. I for one don't complain (OK I can affiord it and I may not be in the majority there), I expect that the Tshirt are priced accordingly for the market they are playing in. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:58:43 -0400 From: "Todd Vaiman" To: Subject: Dream T. Video Live Atlanta ** DAT mixed Message-ID: <001c01bfba0a$2075e5e0$32634ed8@vaiman> I just got a hold of Dream Theater live in Atlanta. Mixed with DAT recording. Sounds real nice. from the 3-1-00 show. Email me if you are interested. email_address_removed I also got some Vai or QR to trade. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:10:30 EST From: "M P" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 Message-ID: >From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" >Subject: reviews from left field >about Ozric Tentacles: I figured out where the jurassic shift >occurs....about the 8 minute mark of Feng Shui, when they realize that that >'philosophy' is a total load of bull, and say, "Screw this awesome, >mid-tempo groove, we're playing an awesome heavy metal sounding shredfest >instead." gotta love something that comes blindly out of left field. >From: Brian Hayden >Subject: Re: DT's weakest poll results >Portnoy is a cool guy and a hell of a drummer, but he should leave lyrics >to people who...umm...how to say it diplomatically...don't suck. ;P D thought ACoS was excellent in its original form. >From: "Blevins, Mike" >Subject: PoS, gear, and concert reviews... >I wonder what their next [album] will sound like? :) A mix of the two prior albums, if their web page is to be believed. The usually silent J/J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:41:38 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" To: Subject: not again! Message-ID: <000801bfba10$1f8de820$0200010a@steve> > Normally, I just blow off singers > being pissed, 'cause they're usually little shits. HEY! Steve Z :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:45:30 EST From: "M P" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog links Message-ID: >Subject: Re: female prog singers >Ok, My gf was really interested in checking out female prog singers. The >only i've heard is nightwish. Where can i find some of these bands to check >em out? go to www.progrock.net check out the artists' page. if your frames are anything like mine, this will give you a small sliver of a window in which to check out their various links. pull up the band you want to check out There is a better link for prog bands out there, but I can't remember the link for it. Might be ghostland D/J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:53:25 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" To: Subject: Hey! Message-ID: <000f01bfba11$c5171d60$0200010a@steve> > Oh, and they let Devin Townsend get away with > some HIDEOUS vocals on the Rush tribute album... :) HEY! :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:56:23 -0800 From: email_address_removed To: Subject: Re: female pro singers Message-ID: D-Man said: "I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Braindance yet. True, the two ladies in the band only sing backup, but what voices! And is it me, or have I yet to see finneus gauge mentioned in that list?" I like Braindance, and I personally hope that the two female singers stay in the background. There are very few female singers I like, and I especially dislike operatic ones, though for some reason I really dig the chick from Nightwish. BTW, is Anneke the singer for Nightwish or The Gathering? I seem to have confused these two bands. I much prefer the lower, sultry sounds of Tori Amos and Fiona Apple. I guess it's not just women either, I am none too fond of most high tenor male prog singers, with the exeption of the amazing Ray Alder. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:01:19 -0500 From: Brian Hayden To: Subject: Re: Hey! Message-ID: on 5/9/00 7:02 PM, Steven Zebrowski at email_address_removed scribbled in vibrant crayola: > >> Oh, and they let Devin Townsend get away with >> some HIDEOUS vocals on the Rush tribute album... :) > > HEY! :) I second that "HEY!" considering it'd be damn difficult to ever sing anything worse than Geddy Lee has. Shame, Rush would've been a decent band if he hadn't shrieked like a balless bitch all the time. :) -Brian -- "I saw a notice which said, 'Drink Canada Dry' and I've just started." - Brendan Behan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:10:08 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hey! Message-ID: Steven Zebrowski wrote: > > Oh, and they let Devin Townsend get away with > > some HIDEOUS vocals on the Rush tribute album... :) > > HEY! :) > > Steve Z Yeah!! Devy is DA MAN :) - Carlos - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:12:37 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: female pro singers Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > I like Braindance, and I personally hope that the two female singers stay in the background. There are very few female singers I like, and I especially dislike operatic ones, though for some reason I really dig the chick from Nightwish. BTW, is Anneke the singer for Nightwish or The Gathering? I seem to have confused these two bands. I much prefer the lower, sultry sounds of Tori Amos and Fiona Apple. I guess it's not just women either, I am none too fond of most high tenor male prog singers, with the exeption of the amazing Ray Alder. > > ~~Amanda Anekke is the singer for Gathering, who is IMO of course worlds better than the nightwish girl. The nightwish chick is very operatic, but give me anekke's beautiful emotive vocals any day. If you enjoy more subtle female vocals, the Gathering's how to measure a planet is great.. Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5471 **************************