YTSEJAM Digest 5443 Today's Topics: 1) Star People, TSO by "Ryan Park" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5442 by Scott Hansen 3) Re: ISO: Comprehensive DT Bootleg Discography? by "Graham B" 4) re: I&W / AC/DC error by Pat Griffin 5) CyberDuke actually entered the Ultra Zone by CyberDuke 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5442 by email_address_removed 7) Re: Angra by alejandro.bedolla@schering.de 8) O:M revisited by "Sasha C." 9) 1999 Christmas CD by Alexandro Talamini 10) TRADING MP3s / CDs by "Pye, Adam" 11) Ytsejam For Piano by MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca 12) Re: 1999 Christmas CD by Andrew Coutermarsh 13) Band flaming (was Re: Star People, www.metallicasucks.com, etc.) by email_address_removed 14) galactic cowboys in airheads by "Fran Brennan" 15) Re: Airheads by email_address_removed 16) O Holy Night Chords by "Adam Yarter" 17) Re: Angra guitarist by "Matt Molite" 18) Release Dates by email_address_removed 19) free stuff and security by Digital Man 20) Re: Angra's guitar player by Janne Jokitalo 21) marillion by Digital Man 22) Re: O:M revisited by Brad Plumb 23) Re: marillion by Erik Wahlen 24) Petition to bring DT to Israel by Shai Yallin 25) Star People by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:22:06 -0400 From: "Ryan Park" To: Subject: Star People, TSO Message-ID: The Star People website is available online at http://www.erandyland.com/ .. come on, didn't any of you pick up their postcard at the shows?? :) It's got information about "The Legend," their tour, audio files (8 full songs including a few played in concert with DT), bios, etc. Their music is pretty cool. No flames, please. I've got the TSO CD, and I've got basically the same comments as you all. A lot of little, "stupid" mistakes that you'd think they would have corrected in the past year. For example, when they sing "Domine, Domine, Domine, Domine" and do it double-speed for a measure, that just sounds like the pianist (and composer?) didn't know what he was doing. Or, at one point, a male singer's vibrato sounds just a little too wobbly, it makes the CD sound like a warped cassette. There's way too much molto ritardando (that whole slow-it-down-and-end-on-the-next-to-last-note thing ). It's often very difficult to hear the rest of the orchestra at all. And some of the songs sound absolutely identical to songs on the past two albums -- it's just not very creative. The album also has a lot more piano than their older albums. Quite a few of the songs are piano ballads, featuring just vocals and piano. I suspect there are two reasons for this. First, I believe this album was co-produced by Robert Kinkel, one of their pianists, and that allowed him to have a lot more say over how much piano was in there. Second, chances are they made decent money from people buying the Piano/Vocal sheet music or playing it in school concerts. It's a lot easier to make Piano/Vocal arrangements when the original song had only piano and vocals, and I'm guessing they might have been pandering to this audience segment. Anyway, after I get past the first half of the album, I like the rest of it a lot more. And of course, the mediocre performance here certainly isn't gonna stop me from seeing them in concert or buying their next CD. The TSO show in Chicago was absolutely wonderful -- my friends said it was the best show they had ever seen. If they tour for "Beethoven," I'll still be first in line to buy a ticket. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:24:55 -0700 From: Scott Hansen To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5442 Message-ID: Matt T wrote: > Hey - > > Does anyone know where to find a comprehensive and relatively up-to-date DT > bootleg discography? The one I'm specifically looking for a track listing of > is "Another Days Of Dream Theater". It has some live Winter Rose stuff and > some of the Kevin Moore "MMTBH" demos, but it doesn't list the specific > tracks. If anyone can point me to a webpage where I can find this out, or > can at least help out with the exact track listing, I'd REALLY appreciate it. Your best 2 sources would be Bogie's site at dreamtheater.mit.edu and the French fan club's web site - the URL is www.dtifc.com/yourmajesty/multimedia.html I think it has info on the boot your looking for - happy hunting! :) Setlist Scotty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:25:00 +1000 From: "Graham B" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ISO: Comprehensive DT Bootleg Discography? Message-ID: > Does anyone know where to find a comprehensive and relatively > up-to-date DT bootleg discography? The one I'm specifically looking > for a track listing of is "Another Days Of Dream Theater". It has > some live Winter Rose stuff and some of the Kevin Moore "MMTBH" demos, > but it doesn't list the specific tracks. If anyone can point me to a > webpage where I can find this out, or can at least help out with the > exact track listing, I'd REALLY appreciate it. http://www.bsys.tsukuba.ac.jp/~junya/dtboots/dtboots.html is a great list of DT boot's, have track listing, a small pic and a rating and some stuff in Japanese that I don't understand :) gaz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:13:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: re: I&W / AC/DC error Message-ID: "Fran Brennan" wrote: > When I bought I&W, I took it home and popped it into my CD player, and > I was greeted with bad 70's glam metal. I thought to myself "wow, > they've sure changed a lot since then", until the singer started > screeching the words to "Back in Black". CD said "Images and Words" on > it, but it was AC/DC. So I took it back and got a real copy of I&W. A > year and a half later, when my freind was getting into Dream Theater, > he went to the same store and bought I&W, and the exact same thing > happened to him, 'cept that was the only copy they had, so he had to > trade it in for Dave Matthews or something...weird, eh? This mix up was due to a pressing error at the CD plant. The incorrect discs were recalled, but there are still some of them floating around. A girl emailed me about two months ago with a similar problem, and I explained that it was a rarity. She decided to sell it on eBay, and it ended up going for somewhere over $225. Not bad for a $13 investment. If you still have this disc, you may want to try auctioning it off, or hang onto it and hope that the value increases even more for collectors. If you *do* still have it, please email me all the information you have on it including SKU number and any identifying codes so that I can include this information in the FAQ. You may also want to check out the store you got it from and snag any more copies of this defective disc to make yourself some money. http://www.gabbo.net/dt/ h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / | Pat Griffin email_address_removed Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:37:23 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CyberDuke actually entered the Ultra Zone Message-ID: This is wayyy later, but I just wanted to say one big WOOOOOOW! Mr. Steve Vai kicked ass in Sofia. Bulgaria on 16-th April! Geez, what a proffesional show man! The guy is unbeliavable. This was the most intense experience in my life. 2 and a half hours of unearthly ecstasy. Vai, not only playing like hell, he also turned out to be excelent entertainer. Lemme hear it "Thank you father Zappa!" :) Even when some obvious technical problems occuer in a middle of a song, it seemed FUN, cool. You couldn't even say it was mistake. Mike Kenelly, that guy is simply amazing. He actually played the keys of Bangkok/Fire Garden suite!!! And his solo act was mindblowing. The silent genious in the back. During the technical mess on stage he started playing Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown" riff accompanied by the rest of the band. :) LOL, that was cool. And the Van Halen "Jump" sequence was way too fun. :) I kept hearing on the jam how good Mike Mangini was, but never really got what's all the fuss about. After watching him with Vai .... WOW! Very fast moves, seems like law of gravity and air pressure doesn't apply to him damn it. :( With the speed he has I bet he can manage playing the intro of Paradigm Shift on the bottom of the Dead Sea. :) I think I heard the fastest double bass work in my life on this concert. All I can say is ... JIBOOOOM. Eric Sardinas, the opening act was ummmm, quite fun for an old bluesman like me. But a guy named Johnny Winter did Eric's stuff some 20 years ago. Nothing new, just a new American guitar cowboy show-off. The dude learned his slide blues stuff very well, but it is already seen thing. It was embarassing when he put the guitar on fire. LOL, I mean ... HELLOOOO, gimme something new pal. Back to Vai again, the man has VERY strong stage presence. I couldn't take my eyes off him, and there was nothing homosexual about it. :) His whole statue, every move he makes is like a ..... damn communication device this writing, I can't do it with words. On the end I want to thank the almighty Bulgarian jammer "xxx" for being with us all day long in Sofia. Ytsejam rules. :) What's next? DT in Budapest, yay! I hate that 20 hours drive train smell, but ... screaming my lungs out on "The Spirit Carries On" is worth all the pain. :) NP: Shankar - Chodhanai Thanthu (exotic prog, someone asked? not a trace of prog but exotic in its purest form. Get down to the roots boye :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:53:01 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5442 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/00 9:56:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << I was just watching Airheads, and in the beginning, there's a scene at a club and there's a band on stage called the Sons of Thunder. The lead singer says something, and they start singing this dumb song, and it cuts to a new scene. Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm going nuts or what, but I could've sworn it was the Galactic Cowboys. Anybody know if I'm right? >> Yeah That's totally Galactic Cowboys, I never even knew that or payed enough attention to it,, I only found that out when I seen it on their web page, Galactic Cowboys appearing as the Sons of Thunder,, GC Rules, oh and btw, I thought the song was cool, well what they played of it, wish I could find the full song somewhere. Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:15:32 -0200 From: alejandro.bedolla@schering.de To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Angra Message-ID: >> Waseem wrote: >> >> hello! just got the angra "holy land" cd- it RULZ!!! i >> just >> wanted to know which one of the 2 guitarists play most of the lead >> guitar... >> ITS NOT AS GOOD AS PETRUCCI, but still pretty impressive :) any answer >> (preferably the right one) would be much appreciated. thanks! >> > I think they pretty much share they're spots in the sun, it's hard to tell, but > sometimes you can hear slight differences on style and / or sound... Or maybe > it's just me ;-) > - Winger I definately agree with the part that they share most of the time, and there are differences in style for sure, but I think Kiko does a little bit more of the solos. For example, Carolina IV (he plays the only thing thats not harmony) , ZITO (he plays the part of the harmony by himself live), The queen of the night, Freedom Call... - ABM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:46:04 +0200 From: "Sasha C." To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: O:M revisited Message-ID: <000701bfaebc$b33f0680$25ec1dc3@sasha> as always... another question from me :-)) At the end of Eyes of a Stranger on O:M, there are these voices that bang in just after the music... at 6:14 minutes into the song. In my opinion, I hear a word "redemption" pronounced, but according to some of my friends it's something like "I remember..." or something other than "redemption". Anways, can I get an answer on this one? Or at least some opinions? C'mon, please... I've put money on this! :-)) Btw, Steve Vai's gig in Ljubljana, Slovenia was incredible... That was by far the best concert I attended. So far, Mike Oldfield was "number one" but Mr. Vai with his 2 and a half hours of playing has defeated Mr. Oldfield. Anways, DT's in Ljubljana on 18th July... :-))). That's gonna be my first (not last, I hope) DT concert... baptism of fire. I believe that Mr. Vai won't hold the "numero uno" position for a long time... :-). NP: what do ya think? O:M :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:48:48 -0300 From: Alexandro Talamini To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: 1999 Christmas CD Message-ID: <1EC071008C02D4118B8D00204840305744245E@CORREIO> Hi there, Just wanted to know if there are ytsejammers who haven't gotten the 1999 Christmas CD yet. I got an e-mail from the US Coordinator for the Dream Theater International Fan Club mentioning my dues have been recieved and I was to expect for the CD and fanzine in April. Nothing so far. Alex Curitiba, Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:53:12 -0500 From: "Pye, Adam" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: TRADING MP3s / CDs Message-ID: Hey folks... Just a note for folks who trade CDs. Never, never, never, NEVER trade someone a CD made from an MP3 source unless that person knows about it first. I just got (yet another) batch of CDs from a guy and half of the shows are obviously from MP3. MP3 IS NOT CD QUALITY! To put it even more bluntly - MP3 sound quality SUCKS compared to the real thing, especially at bitrates less than 256kbs (or anything encoded with the Xing encoder). I don't know how many different people have said this in the past on this list, but some people don't seem to realize it. MP3 CDs are fine for personal use, but NOT FOR TRADING. Someone even tried to trade me that '92 show from Lines in the Sand that I cleaned up from analog myself, put on CD, and then made into MP3s. He claimed it was an all-digital source. This show doesn't circulate on any digital media (only analog and the two CDs I made for myself), so I knew he was trying to pull one over on me. But I traded for the show anyway just to see and (believe it or not) it was the copy I had put out for everyone on Lines in the Sand. Please don't abuse other traders - put "From mp3" or something similar in your boot list. If someone tried to trade a CD made from MP3s in a "real" trading community (Widespread Panic, Dead, Phish, etc) you'd never be able to make another trade again, and rightfully so. Now, I wonder which is worse. Selling bootlegs (anyone want to tree that new Scarred Records "release"?) or giving someone an MP3 source. Hmmmm.... :-) Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:59:50 -0400 From: MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ytsejam For Piano Message-ID: I started piano lessons nine months ago and on a lark I played the mp3 pianic (is there such a word? :-) version of Ytsejam for my teacher. She was suitably impressed and asked which modern composer penned the piece. I don't think she was quite as impressed though when I told her it was written by a heavy metal rock quintet from Long Island, NY Music snobbery aside, I'd *LOVE* to get the transcription. I'm sure it will be many many many many many many many many millennia before I'm technically adept enough to actually play it, but it would be fun to try :-) I'm actually starting to find though that if I attempt a piece which I'm sonically familiar with, I can often make surprising headway so there's always hope... anyone else experience this? I had a dream the other night where I was performing at one of my monthly piano "recitals" (for lack of concert hall space, we hold them in peoples living rooms) and off the cuff I decide to dispense with Minuet in G and rip into Ytsejam. It was killer :-) Anywho, if there's a paper version of YFP out there, I'd love to have it Anyone? Anyone? Rob P.S. I'd also be very interested in corresponding with other budding pianists out there to chat about technique and other practical aspects of playing and such... feel free to drop me a line! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 1999 Christmas CD Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Alexandro Talamini wrote: > Just wanted to know if there are ytsejammers who haven't gotten the > 1999 Christmas CD yet. I got an e-mail from the US Coordinator for the > Dream Theater International Fan Club mentioning my dues have been > recieved and I was to expect for the CD and fanzine in April. Nothing > so far. Nothing here either, but I'm not putting my hopes down just yet. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "The rule which forbids ending a sentence with a preposition is the kind of nonsense up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 2000 07:41:53 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Band flaming (was Re: Star People, www.metallicasucks.com, etc.) Message-ID: ]From multiple postings: > The Star People website is available online... > Their music is pretty cool. No flames, please. And... > If you hate Alternica as much as I do... > etc. > etc. I thought the Star People were cool, too, so there! Don't be ashamed of it. Anyone who would flame me or you or anyone else for saying so can go straight to Hell. We should be able to come on here and say we like John Denver or Michael Jackson if we feel like it, and not fear insults from others. The people who are childish enough to flame, insult, put down, or get into "Band X is better than Band Y" arguments obviously have some insecurity issues about their own musical interests. AND I like Metallica. 8^) -El Mariachi "I'm the nothing face that plants the bomb and strolls away." ______________________________________________________________________ Check out Metallica's Official Web Site at http://www.metallica.com For 200+ channel 24/7 commercial free music visit http://radio.www.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:27:37 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: galactic cowboys in airheads Message-ID: I was just watching Airheads, and in the beginning, there's a scene at a club and there's a band on stage called the Sons of Thunder. The lead singer says something, and they start singing this dumb song, and it cuts to a new scene. Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm going nuts or what, but I could've sworn it was the Galactic Cowboys. Anybody know if I'm right? I watched the credits, and It said it was Ben Huggins, GC's singer, but I'm not sure about the rest of the band, as it was on TV and I couldn't see the credits very well. I love when that scene comes on, and I point out to people: "yea, I saw that band. They're actually pretty good..." -Fran ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:49:14 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Airheads Message-ID: I remember reading in Metal Edge about the movie Airheads. That was indeed Galactic Cowboys. Nik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:35:01 -0700 From: "Adam Yarter" To: Subject: O Holy Night Chords Message-ID: <000601bfaed4$35dc6800$78fc1fcc@adamyart> Hey all, DWould anyone happen to know the chord progression that is used on the Acoustic Dreams track "O Holy Night"? My copy is very low quality, so figuring em out has been tough. Thanks all Regards, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:43:44 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Angra guitarist Message-ID: Both Rafael and Kiko do lead work, but Kiko does most of it. If you have the CD Holy Live, they're split into each side of the stereo channel (I believe Kiko is on the left side, Rafael is on the right) and MOST of the solos are done by Kiko (with the exception of the last solo in ZITO, thats Rafael). You CAN hear the difference in their sound though...Kiko uses legato a lot and his playing is a lot more fluid all around than Rafael...look at the influences they list too...if it sounds similar to Holdsworth, Gambale, or Morse, its probably Kiko. Matt ============================= Now you've got your voice Your own speech Don't wait 'till Someone else agrees -Rafael Bittencourt, Angra ============================= Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ____________________________________________________________ Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - http://www.netdrive.com/?ao=zzn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:58:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Release Dates Message-ID: Can anyone list the release dates for any and all Dream Theater albums, singles and bootleg? [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:43:50 -0400 From: Digital Man To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: free stuff and security Message-ID: On 2000-04-24 at 21:53 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com truly believed: > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Trent > Subject: Re: Netscape Follies/Martha Stewart > > Hotmail (now owned by MSN) has the shittiest security, > shittiest features and shittiest service you could > ever hope to expect. Once upon a time, long long ago, > Hotmail was A1, the best around, but ever since they > were bought, their service has really started to suck > ass. Surprise, surprise. You mean, Microsoft bought a good product and turned it to shit? Geez, that *never* happens. :) > And as far as security goes, it's kinda tough to > protect against threats from hackers and whatnot since > there's not much that can be done. And anyway, so That's just plain wrong. There's plenty that *can* be done. But before the recent spate of DDoS attacks (the ones that brought down Yahoo!, E*Trade, etc.), sysadmins 1) were too lazy to be diligent, and 2) didn't see the need for paranoid diligence. (Now they're merely too lazy. :) First thing you can do is uninstall all the proprietary software you're running, and go open-source. Since the source code to the OS, your web server, and everything else, is out there in the public, bugs get seen -- and fixed -- ultra-quick. If someone finds a security hole in MS IIS, you're SOL until MS deigns to issue a fix^H^H^Hservice pack, and then charge you *again* for their mistake. > what if someone hacks my e-mail account? It's just > e-mail, there's nothing in here that I can't afford to *sigh* > lose. Hacking my computer would be much different. And probably a damn sight easier. > And as far as free e-mail services go, Yahoo is the > best of the best IMHO. Once again, I disagree. Get a cable modem or DSL and a Linux box, and all you pay for is high-speed, dedicated access to the Net, and your hardware. (You're already paying for dialup; spring for the speed, and all the software you need is free, secure, and reliable.) My apologies if this post seems off-topic, but I know that a few of you are sysadmins or something, so I know this info is fairly relelvant to someone. --- > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:10:12 +1000 > From: "Graham B" > Subject: Radiant Records > > I was wondering has anyone else who made the big mistake of pre > ordering the special 2 CD version of Transatlantic, from Radiant > Records and has actually recieved the disc yet ? Got mine last week, along with Spock's "Don't Try This At Home." Both highly recommended. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:57:04 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Angra's guitar player Message-ID: Graham B wrote: > > > The one who does all the leads is Kiko Loureiro... > > Wrong, Rafael Bittencourt also does a lot of the leads, I have some > video's and they share most of the leads. > Oh please, make up your mind already ;) Nono, seriously, I think this is the right way... They share, don't know how much, but still. - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:04:13 -0400 From: Digital Man To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: marillion Message-ID: Speaking of Transatlantic (which I'm listening to right now), I'm starting to really appreciate what MP said about Trewavas' bass playing. This is some tasty stuff. I'm completely uninitiated to Marillion's music. What should I pick up first so that I can enjoy Pete grooving like this? -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:43:40 +0000 From: Brad Plumb To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: O:M revisited Message-ID: At 06:57 AM 4/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > >as always... another question from me :-)) >At the end of Eyes of a Stranger on O:M, there are these voices that bang in >just after the music... at 6:14 minutes into the song. In my opinion, I hear >a word "redemption" pronounced, but according to some of my friends it's >something like "I remember..." or something other than "redemption". Anways, >can I get an answer on this one? Or at least some opinions? C'mon, please... >I've put money on this! :-)) If you're talking about the very end of the song, it's Nikki saying "I remember now" just like he did at the beginning of the cd. Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:01:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Erik Wahlen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: marillion Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Digital Man wrote: > > Speaking of Transatlantic (which I'm listening to right now), I'm > starting to really appreciate what MP said about Trewavas' bass > playing. This is some tasty stuff. I'm completely uninitiated to > Marillion's music. What should I pick up first so that I can enjoy > Pete grooving like this? > -d Actually I think most of Marillion's stuff is pretty heavy on bass, especially the material from the Fish-era. As for which album to start on... that's a toughie. I would probably pick one of the Fish-era albums, though I like some of the new stuff as well. I got hooked on by Fugazi, though any of Script for a Jester's Tear, Misplaced Childhood or Clutching at Straws would probably work fine, since they're all excellent albums. I would probably wait with B-sides themselves (a collection of B-sides), since it's a bit uneven. If you wan't to try out some of the new stuff, Brave would probably be the best pick. Hope that helped, Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:22:38 +0200 From: Shai Yallin To: Ytsejam mailing list Subject: Petition to bring DT to Israel Message-ID: Hey all, Well, I don't know how many guys from Israel currently read the jam (there where around 4 last time I checked) but for all of you who don't know yet, there's a petition going on to bring DT to Israel. Sign it and tell your friends. http://www.azuma.co.il/azuma.pl?do=show&id=47 Cheers, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/yauzza | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school graduate | ----------------------------------------------------------------- "The thing that kills me is all these bands that use huge words in their lyrics, 'I'm swimming in a vortex of apathy.' I'm like, 'What?' I don't walk up to a friend and go 'That's a stylin' looking vortex of apathy you've got there pal. I was swimming up a river of deceit myself.'" - Devin Townsend "Nobody needs more than 640k." - Bill Gates "I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman." - Bill Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:35:55 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Star People Message-ID: www.earandyland.com---Official Star People Web Site They were very entertaining at the DT show I went to! I laughed a few times and almost fell on my arse. I remember seeing Palpatine and Ibanez nearly dying from laughing.....i proly would never forget them if it hadnt been for DT's AMAZING performance that night. Although The SP had the most amazing female violinist/vocalist. i heard she plays with sheryl crow (or was it shania twain?) Personally, I think the Star People would be a cool band to have come play frat parties. Hmmmmmmmmm.... peace -compadre- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5443 **************************